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BIG George W. getting ready to race!!!

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by BIG T, Dec 13, 2001.

  1. BIG T

    BIG T Member

    Joined: Sep 20, 2000 Messages: 976 Likes Received: 2
    December 13, 2001 Posted: 7:22 PM EST (0022 GMT)

    By Manuel Perez-Rivas
    CNN Washington Bureau

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President
    Bush said Thursday the United States
    has notified Russia that it intends to
    pull out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic
    Missile Treaty, starting a six-month
    timetable for withdrawal and opening
    the way for the creation of an
    anti-missile defense system.

    "Today I am giving formal notice to
    Russia that the United States of America is
    withdrawing from this almost 30-year-old
    treaty," Bush said in the White House
    Rose Garden. "I have concluded the ABM
    treaty hinders our government's ability to
    develop ways to protect our people from
    future terrorist or rogue state missile
    attacks."

    The announcement came after months of talks in which U.S. officials hoped to
    persuade Russia to set the treaty aside and negotiate a new strategic agreement. But
    a breakthrough did not materialize, and Bush decided to go ahead with a unilateral
    withdrawal.

    Bush said he and Russian President Vladimir Putin "have also agreed that my
    decision to withdraw from the treaty will not in any way undermine our new
    relationship or Russian security."

    The President of the United States has executive
    authority to negotiate or withdraw the United States
    from treaties without seeking congressional
    approval. The Senate only has authority to ratify
    treaties.

    In response to the White House announcement,
    Putin said both countries should move quickly to
    create a "new framework of our strategic
    relationship." But he called Bush's decision to
    abandon the treaty a "mistake."

    Yet Putin, who went on national television in Russia
    to address the nation, said the U.S. move "presents
    no threat to the security of the Russian Federation."

    The ABM pact, negotiated with the former Soviet
    Union during the Cold War, specifically forbids
    testing and deployment of a ballistic missile defense
    system. Bush believes such a system is critical for
    U.S. defense in the 21st century, and for months he
    has advocated scrapping the ABM treaty, calling it a
    relic from a much different time, a theme he
    repeated on Thursday.

    "The 1972 ABM treaty was signed by the United
    States and the Soviet Union at a much different
    time, in a vastly different world," he said. "One of
    the signatories, the Soviet Union, no longer exists and neither does the hostility that
    once led both our countries to keep thousands of nuclear weapons on hair-trigger
    alert, pointed at each other."

    Today, he said, both nations face different enemies. "Today, as the events of
    September 11 made all too clear, the greatest threats to both our countries come not
    from each other, or from other big powers in the world, but from terrorists who
    strike without warning or rogue states who seek weapons of mass destruction,"
    Bush said.

    Some question consequences

    Arms control advocates have argued against abrogating the ABM treaty, saying
    amendments to allow the defense system tests should be negotiated with Moscow
    and the treaty left in place.

    Congressional Democrats greeted the news with skepticism. Some called Bush's
    plan a misguided and poorly timed decision.

    "We don't know what effect this will have yet. We do know that it poses some
    serious questions regarding our relationship with our allies, with Russia and with
    China, that we're going to have to consider very, very carefully," Senate Majority
    Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said Thursday.

    Daschle said he was concerned withdrawal from the ABM treaty could "rupture
    relations with key countries around the world," and raises serious questions about
    future arms races involving other countries.

    Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden, D-Delaware,
    admonished the White House on the Senate floor after Bush informed congressional
    leaders of his plans on Wednesday. Biden said the move would cause an arms
    buildup not just in Russia but also in Pakistan and India, increasing tensions in
    southern Asia.

    Biden later called Bush's priorities "out of whack." He said America should be
    more worried about terrorists with weapons of mass destruction than countries with
    long-range ballistic missiles.

    "September 11 indicated our country is vulnerable," Biden said. "The thing we
    remain the least vulnerable to is an ICBM attack from another nation."

    Bush cites terrorism threat

    The administration's position is just the opposite: The September 11 attacks
    demonstrate that if rogue nations which support terrorists develop long-range
    missiles, they would undoubtedly use them.

    "We know that the terrorists and some of those who support them seek the ability
    to deliver death and destruction to our doorstep via missile," Bush said Thursday.
    "And we must have the freedom and the flexibility to develop effective defenses
    against those attacks."

    Still, some Democrats questioned the urgency to pull out, saying the missile
    defense system could have been tested without breaching the ABM treaty. Daschle
    said pulling out was "a high price to pay for testing that was not required this early
    in the schedule for missile defenses."

    But White House officials said missile defense testing would soon "bump" into the
    ABM treaty, and the president felt it was best to proceed with withdrawal.

    "All along, the United States has been concerned with the fact that the timetable to
    develop a test to protect the country on missile defense was bumping into the ABM
    Treaty. The bump was about to take place," said White House spokesman Ari
    Fleischer.

    Therefore, he said, "the president's judgment was that the most productive way to
    proceed to maintain good relations would be to proceed with clarity. And that
    clarity is to move beyond the treaty so that the United States will not be inhibited
    in any way of developing a robust testing system."

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the treaty is outdated and "does not reflect
    the strategic realities of today."

    "It did not and does not protect the American people from attack. It failed to
    recognize that the Soviet Union is gone and that Russia is, of course, not our
    enemy," he said.

    Rumsfeld said he plans to meet with the Russian defense minister next week in
    Brussels to continue discussions on what framework should replace the
    longstanding treaty. Rumsfeld and other administration officials noted that Russia
    and the U.S. have agreed to reduce offensive strategic nuclear weapons, and
    relations between the two countries are good.

    In Moscow on Thursday, Putin, for the first time publicly offered specifics in
    response to Bush's plan to reduce the U.S. nuclear arsenal. Putin said the reduction
    should be 1,500 to 2,200 warheads, a figure slightly lower than the one proposed
    by Bush, who set it at 1,700 to 2,200.

    Administration seeks to quell concerns

    "We still have exactly the same attitude and approach that the president and
    President Putin announced, and that is that we are looking forward, we're not
    looking back. That we do not consider them an enemy. And that the basis that we
    want to go forward is to find ways that we can deal with transparency and
    predictability with respect to the behavior of each country on offensive and
    defensive nuclear weapons," Rumsfeld said. "And we intend to do that."

    Fleischer noted that Bush also consulted by telephone with the leaders of China,
    Britain, France, Germany and Japan. He added that leaders of other countries,
    including Spain, Italy, Hungary and Poland have expressed support for the move.

    China's President Jiang Zemin, who has expressed perhaps the greatest concern over
    the U.S. withdrawal, told Bush he "looked forward to further high-level dialogue
    on the topic," Fleischer said.

    The Chinese, who have a much smaller nuclear arsenal than Russia, are concerned
    that the U.S. national missile defense plan could be used to block their missiles,
    thereby upsetting the nuclear balance of power. Critics have said the move could
    push China to add more nuclear weapons to its stockpile, reigniting the arms race.

    But Bush sought to assure Jiang when they met in Shanghai this fall that
    development of a national missile defense "is not a threat to China," Fleischer said.
    "China, which can launch many [missiles], could not be stopped."

    Administration officials have made efforts to ease worries in other nations as well.
    During stops this week in Berlin, London and Paris, Powell tried to quell European
    concerns about the consequences of scrapping the treaty, U.S. officials said.

    "I don't see the basis for an arms race in anything that we have done," Powell said
    Thursday. "I see a basis for increased strategic stability, and I look forward to
    working with my Russian colleagues, as does Secretary Rumsfeld, in pursuing
    that."

    Bush said he looks forward to visiting Moscow next year to continue working with
    Putin to develop a new strategic relationship that will "last long beyond our
    individual administrations, providing a foundation for peace for years to come."

    "The Cold War is long gone," he said. "Today we leave behind one of its last
    vestiges. But this is not a day for looking back. This is a day for looking forward
    with hope and anticipation of greater prosperity and peace for Russians, for
    Americans and for the entire world."
    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    why on earth would he do this it is nothing but bad news!!!!!!
    anybody remember the sirens going off during school????
    well get ready for it again!
    :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  2. Unregistered

    Unregistered Junior Member

    Joined: Nov 30, 2001 Messages: 154 Likes Received: 0
    WHAT, holy shit!! I can't believe it, what a sho..... wait.... there's already another thread EXACTLY like this one.





























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































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