i've seen plenty shit in seattle, portland lookin pretty good too, i don't think they buff much there. ecos and defie had sick heavens in portland. i see rize, nark, hick, pars, audeo, batu, ror a good bit in seattle. some cool old shit around too. seen some ugly water shit, a nice smog and snore roof, some old ini stuff, some puzl, some old plus. good shit all around.