Slickminded Posted February 9, 2002 Share Posted February 9, 2002 GRAF HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER THEN ANY OF US HAVE BEEN ALIVE.GRAF DATES BACK TO B.C..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted February 9, 2002 Share Posted February 9, 2002 Who the fuck cares , just do it and shut the fuck up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest REMY-MARTIN Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Originally posted by seeking innocence anytime somedone mentiones taki, you know they have no real clue what they're talking about... taki was no where near the first person to write... he just got lucky when a reporter looked out his window, saw his name, and decided to write about graffiti... thats why taki is famous, not for 'starting' anything... i thought Taki was famous for getting his name up all over the city of new york Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblah Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Originally posted by Slickminded GRAF HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER THEN ANY OF US HAVE BEEN ALIVE.GRAF DATES BACK TO B.C..... i know this is a stupid topic but jesus people, how can graffiti possibly be that old? If cave paintings are graff, then there is no such thing as "art" as we know it and it's all graffiti. THINK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Originally posted by blahblahblah "graff has been around since people have" let me explain why this is bullshit. When "people" were at there humble beginnings, they didn't exactly have the mental capacity to do simple tasks, much less graffiti. I'm defining graffiti here as some writing of a nickname or a phrase, done illegally for the purpose of being seen. Do you honestly believe people who were struggling to survive as a species were worried about being recognized by the few scattered band of humans? The cave paintings of Lascaux and other places are paintings and nothing more. "fine art", if you could call it that, is in no way graffiti. Also, there was no such thing as ownership so there is no way graffiti could have existed until there were laws to say "you can not write on this". yeah, I notice people like you HATE when anyone suggests MAYBE graf had origins other than/in addition to new york. I bet you like the term art fag too. ahem graffiti: from Italian *graffito* to scribble, from Greek *graphein* to draw, write this refers to writing etched into walls in ancient greek sites, with names and occasional messages. theres a famous one that says "we buggered the Persians here". They even etched characters. It was illeagal too. The idea of wildstyle isn't that far away from celtic knotwork in the book of Kells Now feel free to whine about how graf is more than art etc., but its not exactly a HUGE departure from the above, is it? I think its REALLY arrogant to claim to be an independant subculture after a space of thirty, forty, fifty or even a hundred years. I agree with the topic starter, this is an artform in its infancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 this is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Originally posted by ASER1NE this is ridiculous if it weren't ridiculous, it wouldn't be 12oz....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblah Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Originally posted by bodice_ripper yeah, I notice people like you HATE when anyone suggests MAYBE graf had origins other than/in addition to new york. I bet you like the term art fag too. ahem graffiti: from Italian *graffito* to scribble, from Greek *graphein* to draw, write this refers to writing etched into walls in ancient greek sites, with names and occasional messages. theres a famous one that says "we buggered the Persians here". They even etched characters. It was illeagal too. The idea of wildstyle isn't that far away from celtic knotwork in the book of Kells Now feel free to whine about how graf is more than art etc., but its not exactly a HUGE departure from the above, is it? I think its REALLY arrogant to claim to be an independant subculture after a space of thirty, forty, fifty or even a hundred years. I agree with the topic starter, this is an artform in its infancy. i wrote a big reply to this but i deleted it. Obviously you didn't read my post at all or you took it upon yourself and missinterprited what i said really badly. goodbye bodice ripper, enjoy your icecream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 what icecream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miz303 Posted February 11, 2002 Author Share Posted February 11, 2002 ...one day this website will be on record for the future space kids..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miz303 Posted February 12, 2002 Author Share Posted February 12, 2002 Originally posted by REMY-MARTIN i thought Taki was famous for getting his name up all over the city of new york ...where is lost poet???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOOGLE? Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 ................... over and out 303chode...i mean miz :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miz303 Posted February 22, 2002 Author Share Posted February 22, 2002 .....moogle whats your problem!!!!!!!you hate me,hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha.......thats over dose63 not over and out......sucka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalaoner Posted February 22, 2002 Share Posted February 22, 2002 Im my opinion real graffity started in the 70's, when people put up their tag in paint or marker or whatever. Graffity in the 30's and the old times isn't the same kind of graffity that we do today, it was political, there weren't crews or spraypaint or peeps with tags. And old cave paintings isn't graffity...come on what the fuck. Anywho thats my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULIT Posted February 23, 2002 Share Posted February 23, 2002 Originally posted by wakassOATH hahah this made me laugh and then miz got all made hahahahhaah Was that english? stupid poll!!:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULIT Posted February 23, 2002 Share Posted February 23, 2002 Originally posted by wakassOATH hahah this made me laugh and then miz got all made hahahahhaah Was that english? stupid poll!!:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobius Posted February 24, 2002 Share Posted February 24, 2002 caveman styles all the way. those animal thowies are strickly butter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss cheese Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 The whole caveman thing is all speculative. That was most likely just art. But people have been CARVING there names into rocks and trees for a long time as a way to get a type of "fame" or just say "I was here". As a little kid I carved my name into a bench and didnt know anything about new york shit. I never though of perfecting it, or making a career out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misery#3 Posted November 7, 2002 Share Posted November 7, 2002 Originally posted by miz303 If it started around 1970 its about 30 years old so that makes it a baby in art terms right? Its only the beginning! So how could peolpe sit there and say its dead when there is still more things to organize and take over? So this thread is for the people who know graf will be around til we go to another planet then it will be about bombing that moon with a spray truck, what.........nwo bring back goldberg..........peace 303 first off it didnt start in the 70 the true answer to this qustion is the begining of time or since the cave men have been writing on walls. graffiti. just do a little reasearch and you'll see what i mean graff means many things to so you should be more specific in what type of graff you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 He just turned 21 last Friday and me and the guys took him out to his first nudey bar for some boob's and boozin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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