On Tuesday, Elon Musk sold ~$1 billion in Tesla stock. On Thursday, they announced recalls for ~500,000 Tesla cars

[Dirty_habiT]

Someone needs to swap a Honda b16 into one and make it front wheel drive. Then show up at the Tesla meets. 

[Kults]

1 minute ago, ndv said:

 

Sure it is, ones grass feed the other is petro feed.

 

brb slapping a turbo on Seabiscuit 

[ndv]

3 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Someone needs to swap a Honda b16 into one and make it front wheel drive. Then show up at the Tesla meets. 

 

Thad make um salty. 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by ndv

[metronome]

27 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I still want to see the difference in total power consumed to put 1kw of power through the rear wheels of a Tesla vs doing it with a gas or diesel motor. 

 

Plenty of economists have weighed in on this, taking into account all of the upstream emissions to get to the drive train.

[Elena Delle Donne]

5 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

I said that when the idea was first proposed.  Not everything can be automated.  Driving is one of those things.

 

You wouldn't put your dick in an automatic circumcision machine that was designed and programmed by dude's w/ tiny dicks would you?  It'd chop your shit off and they'd be like "whoooooppppsssss we have a little bug that we're going to fix."

 

People that think self driving is a good thing are idiots.  They should start out on self driving razor scooters and see how that pans out first.

 

i'm not ready to dismiss it yet, conceptually.  the nicest interpretation of tesla's autopilot is that it's primitive and too far ahead of it's time. and you can't make up for that by just throwing it into the real world to learn. they need to maintain momentum (for shareholders) so they're not gonna throw in the towel on it but there is a reason that everyone else who was interested has given up on self-driving for now. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Elena Delle Donne

[Elena Delle Donne]

3 hours ago, Mercer said:

There's no way full self driving will ever be perfect, but I think it will eventually become safer than the average retarded human drivers.

 

this is a really important part! ai doesn't have to be that good to be better than us, on average. it's fine to have have high expectations, and i do, but people are awful drivers. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Elena Delle Donne

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, Kults said:

 

 

Only as a response to how insufferable Teslas bros can be. A little humility goes a long way. You can’t get on stage talking about how your car is the future and everything else is shit and then have your ‘bulletproof’ glass shattered by a thrown bowling ball.

 

Personally don’t think an engine swap is on the same paradigm shifting level as the swap from horses to cars 

 

 

 

The tech jump isn't as significant, it's the naysayer sentiment that is exactly the same though. I mean I'll be that Tesla bro, but isn't it more cringe to see hardcore Tesla naysayers get so worked up over Teslas like some people.

[Mercer]

8 minutes ago, Elena Delle Donne said:

 

this is a really important part! ai doesn't have to be that good to be better than us, on average. it's fine to have have high expectations, and i do, but people are awful drivers. 

 

Yea, this is what people overlook. You can see a video of a Tesla on FSD fucking up and say ha, but humans literally do worse mistakes every single day.  Again, even if it's shit, it's exponentially better than any other company's system.

 

Also, advancements in software aside, it's the legal/liability aspect that creates the true inflection point for FSD adoption. I personally don't think it's worth the $200 a month subscription price if you can't read a book while using it. There's no way Elon is getting congress behind legislating FSD manufacturer liability to even allow real FSD, even with proof FSD is safer than humans which isn't even close yet IMO.

[Dark_Knight]

16 minutes ago, Elena Delle Donne said:

 

this is a really important part! ai doesn't have to be that good to be better than us, on average. it's fine to have have high expectations, and i do, but people are awful drivers. 

agree with this and @Mercer

 

I think the biggest hurdle that cars originally didn’t have to overcome is immediate and constant criticism. I don’t have any statistic point to base off of, but I’m sure the amount of vehicle related deaths in its conception were probably shocking on paper. But they had the benefit of starting before this modern world where anything can be shut down by fear and numbers. You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette 

[Dark_Knight]

We just accept vehicle related deaths as a part of life now. There will be faults and probably always will be. It’s just getting public acceptance of the fact I think that will be the biggest hurdle 

[metronome]

I think the best AV right now is the Waymo truck.  It's sensor package smokes what Tesla is doing.  Tesla is heavily reliant on ML and data.  The guy behind Waymo (Boris Sofman) did Lex Fridman's podcast and talked pretty long and deep on this subject.  Paraphrasing him, machine learning is really good at sorting out averages and predicting along those lines ... which is why it struggles so hard with city traffic/pedestrians/cyclists/etc and the nuance/congestion of city living.  

Edited January 7, 2022 by metronome

[metronome]

this dude for sure drives home drunk on autopilot 

 

[Kults]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

 

 

 

The tech jump isn't as significant, it's the naysayer sentiment that is exactly the same though. I mean I'll be that Tesla bro, but isn't it more cringe to see hardcore Tesla naysayers get so worked up over Teslas like some people.

 

For sure. Like it or not EVs are here to stay 

[Elena Delle Donne]

don't particularly like tesla guys and i have real issues with the end product. they made lots of little annoying decisions i don't like; i don't want one. when it comes time to buy an ev i want to electrify an ICE car.

 

but there's no question that in the minds of american consumers, when it comes to EVs, they have been damn near revolutionary. they upended the category marketing of EVs and made them a desirable product. they made an EV that was fun to drive, not just an appliance like previous EVs and hybrids. they accelerated adoption of EVs. credit where it is due. 

 

they've benefited from government loans and federal and state subsidies on end purchases. but that doesn't change that they made a product that, at the end of the day, people wanted. a $10,000 subsidy certainly helps. but people want these cars. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Elena Delle Donne

[Elena Delle Donne]

4 hours ago, Dark_Knight said:

We just accept vehicle related deaths as a part of life now. There will be faults and probably always will be. It’s just getting public acceptance of the fact I think that will be the biggest hurdle 

 

40,000+ people die on the roads every year! millions more are injured. car culture is a death cult

[metronome]

9 minutes ago, Elena Delle Donne said:

 

40,000+ people die on the roads every year! millions more are injured. car culture is a death cult

100% which is why imo being okay with acceptable losses aka hit kids/pedestrians/cyclists in a fully AV world is unacceptable.   If the point is to make personal transport safe as possible it should be perfect.

 

that said, Elon’s whole reason for wanting to develop autopilot in EVs is because he can’t handle the idea of sharing a train car with a poor.

[ndv]

 

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/innovation/autonomous/the-new-s-class-intelligent-drive-next-level/

 

 

Look Ma!  No hands!

 

 

[Mercer]

I just read the F150 Lightning is in full production now.

[Kults]

First deliveries this spring

 

 

-Ford is planning to nearly double production capacity of the all-electric F-150 Lightning™ pickup to 150,000 vehicles per year at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan, to meet soaring customer demand

 

-F-150 Lightning moves to the final phase of pre-production as pickups roll off the line for real-world durability and thousands of miles of testing ahead of customer deliveries this spring

 

[Dirty_habiT]

Will get shit range if towing anything.  They might as well just call it the Ford Home Depot Runner instead of an F-150 because that's all I think an electric truck is good for.  At least this one won't look gayer than aids like that tesla truck.

 

There's a reason there aren't any 18 wheelers using batteries to tow shit across the land mass.

[Dirty_habiT]

Alright which one of y'all is this?

[Elena Delle Donne]

On 1/9/2022 at 4:25 PM, Dirty_habiT said:

Will get shit range if towing anything.  They might as well just call it the Ford Home Depot Runner instead of an F-150 because that's all I think an electric truck is good for.  At least this one won't look gayer than aids like that tesla truck.

 

There's a reason there aren't any 18 wheelers using batteries to tow shit across the land mass.

 

certainly. but a tiny minority of truck drivers even use their bed with any regularity — they should absolutely be driving an ev 

[KILZ FILLZ]

[KILZ FILLZ]

EL OH EL

 

 

 

 

 

[Elena Delle Donne]