On Tuesday, Elon Musk sold ~$1 billion in Tesla stock. On Thursday, they announced recalls for ~500,000 Tesla cars

[metronome]

Elon Musk interviewed/conversation with Dan Carlin on the role of engineering innovation in warfare.

Super interesting topic.  Too bad Musk can't string half a thought together with anything resembling coherency.  And he had a SpaceX sr engineer riding shotgun to make sure he didn't embarrass himself too badly.  

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by metronome

[Dirty_habiT]

link ^^?

[metronome]

 

[Mercer]

Couldn't sit through all the stuttering. Dan Carlin is the fucking man though.

[Elena Delle Donne]

On 1/1/2022 at 9:16 PM, metronome said:

Thing is the Musk/Tesla fan bois are more than happy to do all the real time beta testing for him, out on the streets.  The guy "driving" that car audibly becoming annoyed with pedestrians for being pedestrians and fucking up the car's AI piloting is gold.  

 

this is by far the worst part of self driving: the test subjects are the rest of us. a tesla on autopilot is going to kill someone 

[Elena Delle Donne]

you won't get to actual self driving without real world testing and deployment. but it's transparently not ready for that 

[metronome]

18 minutes ago, Elena Delle Donne said:

 

this is by far the worst part of self driving: the test subjects are the rest of us. a tesla on autopilot is going to kill someone 

 

And the best/smartest in AV development are so laser focused on self driving being important and the future they've talked themselves into acceptable losses and that ppl dying is an acceptable consequence for their baby being perfected.

[Dirty_habiT]

52 minutes ago, Elena Delle Donne said:

you won't get to actual self driving without real world testing and deployment. but it's transparently not ready for that 

 

I said that when the idea was first proposed.  Not everything can be automated.  Driving is one of those things.

 

You wouldn't put your dick in an automatic circumcision machine that was designed and programmed by dude's w/ tiny dicks would you?  It'd chop your shit off and they'd be like "whoooooppppsssss we have a little bug that we're going to fix."

 

People that think self driving is a good thing are idiots.  They should start out on self driving razor scooters and see how that pans out first.

[Dirty_habiT]

If you want to argue about that (anyone) go learn some shit about software development so you can be prepared for the discussion.

[Mercer]

There's no way full self driving will ever be perfect, but I think it will eventually become safer than the average retarded human drivers. Admittedly, FSD sucks balls in cities, but that doesn't change the fact it's exponentially ahead of anyone else for suburbs/highways. At best companies are offering a lane keep assist, but nothing serious yet as far as I know that passes/switches lanes automatically, adjusts for traffic lights, signs, and signals.

 

Again, not perfect, or even as safe as your average human right now IMO, but FSD was good enough to start charging $10k more for a few years ago. Last year they started building the option into every car, and charging a  $200 a month subscription knowing they'll cake harder long term. Probably pays for itself the first time you get home buzzed without swerving.

[ndv]

From hear say (a customer's neighbor purchased a new bentley).  Of course it's a auto brand out of reach for most.  Anyhow, I was told beltley is using technology incorporated with their version of lane keep assist tech (semi-automonous driving) that the car can read traffic lights as well as road signage.  Idk because I haven't had a chance to talk to someone with a 2020 or newer bentley.  But I got this off of beltley motors website.  

 

 

[Kults]

16 minutes ago, ndv said:

From hear say (a customer's neighbor purchased a new bentley).  Of course it's a auto brand out of reach for most.  Anyhow, I was told beltley is using technology incorporated with their version of lane keep assist tech (semi-automonous driving) that the car can read traffic lights as well as road signage.  Idk because I haven't had a chance to talk to someone with a 2020 or newer bentley.  But I got this off of beltley motors website.  

 

 

 

New Fords do this too. Can get this feature for a lot less than buying a Bentley 

 

https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/ford-technology/driver-assist-features/what-is-speed-sign-recognition/

 

[Mercer]

Yea, my mom's Honda has lane keep assist and displays the speed limit on her screen, but it's not actually stopping the car for a red light, adjusting the vehicles speed for the speed limit, going forward on green ect. The vehicle is at best learning how to read this info, it's not able to do anything useful with this info yet, or drive itself based on it.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Mercer

[ndv]

I have lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control.  There's quirky things about you systems.  Main one being road conditions (lane markers), if the lines are in need of new paint, the system doesn't read the road very well.  Vehicle orientation is another factor.  If the sun is shining directly at you in sun rise/sun set positions thr systems is blinded.  As for rain, I do however notice the system reads better for some reason.   

 

As for the adaptive cruise control, it's very sensitive and quickly adapts to the vehicle ahead of you, so in other words the system will pick up almost in real time when the driver ahead of you doesn't have a steady foot.  If the vehicle ahead of you is merging into a turn lane and braking, the car recognizes this and what's to brake hard.  I hate that.  With acc on if a vehicle gets out of range (at a certain length, and I don't know thr legnth), the system stops reading an object in front, so if this happens and you are approaching a stop light and there's a vehicle you are approaching, the system doesn't pick that object up, and I have to intervene to stop or I'll reared them.  I hate this too.   In my previous post, I think bentley doesn't have this flaw.    

 

Will sell driving happen soon, yes, will there always be bugs in the software, yes.  Do I trust it, no.  The self driving mode just takes thr freedom out of motoring.  Now going back to the tech.  As I was told, bentley/rolls are thr for front of automotive technology.  These guys are the first to have the latest and greatest.  With that there comes s bunch of bugs and software and hardware upgrades as they go along.  All the other manufactueres benefit from these guys because their clients are pretty much the beta users other than their drivers for race cars.   When most of the bugs are worked out, it's pretty much given to other auto manufacturers to use to help further the tech (data collect)  so the next gen of autos is closer to self driving.   Speaking of data collection, this part I am kinda ok with, because in order for the auto companies to become closer to perfecting self driving (safer), they are gonna need to collect all types of driving characteristics from individuals but also regions, climates, and many other factors involved that makes us unique in our driving characteristics.  We drive like our finger prints, every one is different, from climates, weather, terrain (topographical), etc.  Without all of this info, self driving will not be even close to what most people envision.

 

With that being said, when the auto industry does have all this tech, I am sure it will be an option for the vehicle to adapt to the road course. Basically,  I imagine there will be programs when you can set a car to optimal driving conditions for a scenic drive on HW 1 in Cali to a HW drive from Anchorage to Seattle. 

 

But iRobot is probably not gonna happen anytime soon. 

[ndv]

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Yea, my mom's Honda has lane keep assist and displays the speed limit on her screen, but it's not actually stopping the car for a red light, adjusting the vehicles speed for the speed limit, going forward on green ect. The vehicle is at best learning how to read this info, not drive the vehicle based on it.

 

Yeah your mom's honda is better than my acura imo.  The thing with Honda, they have the capability to rival or surpass bentley, but they choose not to because they want to make sure they perfect the baby steps before they move on to a full stride to get to the next baby step. 

 

 

[Mercer]

Yea, if I had something as torquey as a Tesla, last thing I'd want to do is miss out on driving it. Probably nice on long road trips, or heavy traffic though.

 

With that said, kinda like it's popular to make fun of Teslas now, people used to be convinced horses were still better than automobiles back in the day. The only point they really ever made that sticks is that a horse knows the way home from the tavern, and won't kill anyone when you're drunk. Hopefully that's not the case much longer for cars.

[Mercer]

Also think FSD will never be worth shit if you have to keep your hands on the wheel, and pay attention. Even if FSD becomes safer than humans, it's still going to be a long time before it's actually allowed to drive on it's own, just out of liability. You get in an accident, it's on you. Even if your car is statistically 99% less likely to have an accident, it's kinda on the manufacturer by default. Don't see true full autonomy being a thing any time soon. Might be the most valuable car company in the world right now, but the entire government is against Tesla now, and your boy Elongated Muskrat.

[ndv]

That's a very good point.  

 

I have a customer that was really looking forward to buy a tesla, the one with the Ludacris package, because he has a vette (60s something, can't remember exactly what year he told me) with 600+hp.  He was telling me what impressed him so much with the tesla was that he couldn't shake off the car from 80 to top out like he could vs other high performance combustion engines.  The reason he didn't pull the trigger on the tesla was no customer support after the 5 year warranty expired, which leaves you with a 30k battery replacement soon to follow.  He said that was the salty part.  Other than that you really can't beat a flick of a switch electricity instantaneous power.  

 

Honestly, I really like my hybrid, but when I'm tolling on battery, the acceleration for the few seconds I get is a great feeling.   I just do not like the fact honda did give us the option of choosing electric, hybrid, or combustion by flick of a switch or something.  Maybe in the near future tho. 

[ndv]

Both are very good points. 

[Dirty_habiT]

I still want to see the difference in total power consumed to put 1kw of power through the rear wheels of a Tesla vs doing it with a gas or diesel motor. 

[Kults]

34 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Yea, my mom's Honda has lane keep assist and displays the speed limit on her screen, but it's not actually stopping the car for a red light, adjusting the vehicles speed for the speed limit, going forward on green ect. The vehicle is at best learning how to read this info, it's not able to do anything useful with this info yet, or drive itself based on it.

 

Not sure if you’re referring to the hondas tech here, check the link i posted cause fords absolutely can adjust the vehicle speed 

[Dirty_habiT]

I don't think it's trendy to rip on teslas. Most of the population thinks they're rad.

 

I think it's trendy to jock teslas and Elon. 
 

Elon is just the same as Vic Chaos in the new South Park. 

[ndv]

I'm gonna rip on teslas until I own one, then that's not cool any more.

[Kults]

22 minutes ago, Mercer said:

With that said, kinda like it's popular to make fun of Teslas now, people used to be convinced horses were still better than automobiles back in the day.

 

 

Only as a response to how insufferable Teslas bros can be. A little humility goes a long way. You can’t get on stage talking about how your car is the future and everything else is shit and then have your ‘bulletproof’ glass shattered by a thrown bowling ball.

 

Personally don’t think an engine swap is on the same paradigm shifting level as the swap from horses to cars 

[ndv]

1 minute ago, Kults said:

Personally don’t think an engine swap is on the same paradigm shifting level as the swap from horses to cars

 

Sure it is, ones grass feed the other is petro feed.