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“Far-Right Extremism” or whatever, i dont know, you name the thread.


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Edit: Title change, felt it was too specific. 

 

Gonna use this as a place to post shit relevant to the title.. White Nationalists, Religious nuts, far-right extremists, whatever classification you prefer to slap on the topic.. 

 

edit: Part of the reason i started this thread is because it’s been stated in the past that some folks just dont think nationalists, racists and that far-right are that much of a threat to the country, i think that is very wrong. 

 

I’ll kick it off with a Portland-Maine white supremacist arrested on child porn charges.. 

 

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  • abrasivesaint changed the title to “Far-Right Extremism” or whatever, i dont know, you name the thread.

So a few other reasons i started this thread, It’s not intended to just straight bash one side of the American political aisle. 
 

- To document some of this shit on the forum here. There seems to be a rise in the boldness and confidence of many of these groups. 

 

- To have a sort of “counter thread” to ones where “lefty” groups are labeled terrorists.

 

- To potentially have discussions about these types of groups and incidents.

 

For instance, i’ve been finally diving into the Bundy family and the events around them. (The ones who have had the standoffs, and have built a cultish sort of following.) A percentage of me sympathizes and agrees with some of their arguments, but a percentage of me also thinks they are dipshits who have brought this world upon themselves, and want to bring up some sort of suicide by government scenario.

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I don't think a lot of those represent a coherent group of "far right" outside of an abstract perspective. Each instance of "extremism" laid out isn't a broader component of a coordinated effort, or a unique sets of values shared by all the individuals perpetrating, outside of just they all accept political violence.

 

I've dove deep into many of those, trying to understand the individual objectives which can't be proven really one way or another as they only exist inside one's own head.There's not much similarity on the surface either, let alone a layer or two deep into what we do know about these activists. Only thing meaningful separating them, from the rest of us is their willingness in taking political action into their own hands. Even being willing to harm"innocent people" measured with majority of the very same metrics they judge themselves by is required to accept collateral damage. Forget "do unto others" and roll with, the "ends justify the means" of a political goal, or fundamentalist belief systems that accepts "some" initiation of violence.

 

Collectivists groups splintering, and evolving into what we can agree is a never ending complexity are oversimplified when seen through ens of what's considered left, or right wing. That lens obscures more than it can possibly expose.

 

Are you willing to commit political violence directly, or indirectly is the question we should be looking within ourselves to answer.  Many of us take indirect action ourselves. Like pledging support to a system that enforces so called "victimless crimes". Things like being the in the wrong social grouping, or not holding the same individual values, even if the so called "enemy" isn't directly harming other's, is an excuse for their loss of their life, or personal, and proprietary autonomy.

 

The measure of actual harm done by an "enemy", or rather a non-harmful individual before excusing the political action taken upon them is of no consequence. Things as arbitrary as how other's decide to consensually fuck, self medicate, believe just believe in, with their own minds which they should have rights over is effectively eliminated from the equation of judging is violence OK here. We forgive, even ignore morals, and proclaim the grim statistics of political violence is necessary for a greater goal.


The supposed "indirect" action of clutching your pearls, pointing your finger, and screaming wrong think which is basically what left/right identity politics is about, is. It has  consequences nonetheless, even if we agree upon it's so called "indirect" classification. These actions brings with them by all measures "direct", often violent consequences. Even when we excuse our own losses,  like every the personal trauma caused by losing something as important as our own family members. Some of us end up behind bars, buried forever, and intentionally harmed with your consent. Families accept their own dead kids coming back from a foreign war to protect France's imperialistic claim over Vietnam. Death's justified with unsubstantiated accusations of weapons of mass destruction. Prohibition, drug wars, sanctions preventing food and medicine from reaching reaching dying children, all totally a price we unnecessarily pay to live in a so called "civilized society".  Some people still embracing a system of beliefs that meant they themselves grew up without a mother, or a father, IMHO a sickness, or form of contagious mental illness.

 

The lens we look through to judge others has to at the very lest, also reflect the same judgement upon ourselves. Does this individual want to end things like unnecessary violence. It's that simple. Accepting the fact there's no such thing as "necessary evil" and those words together are an oxymoron. The violence that exists outside of direct defense of personal safety, or property (AKA crimes with actual victims) consist's of most violence, and should be eliminated from acceptable social action lest we are the actual oxymorons here.

 

 TLDR Violence bad, m'kay. There's no good outcomes from grouping people together, saying these are the perpetrators of slightly more unnecessary violence. Anyone could clutch their pearls, and do the same to you. Especially if any part of you accepts non-aggression, or actually believe's in the non-initiation of violence. The context of the conversation itself becomes false, and counterproductive, at least from my perspective. It excuses the initiation of violence, by condemning it. AKA eating your own shit as some sort of brain enhancing alpha nutrient superfood.

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I have to come back and address some of the finer points but i just wanted to make the blanket statement that I’m not trying to argue that “this violence” is more acceptable than “that violence” with this thread. This also wasn’t necessarily created to be the current hot topic discussion. More so just a generalized place for this sort of news. This could just fade into the pages of forgotten threads and every news story could be created as it’s own thread, doesn’t matter to me honestly, i just think this thread should exist. 
 

Some members have expressed concern about the general feel around the forum. Like things are/were leaning very heavily in one direction politically. I think if there’s going to be visible threads about what is deemed terrorism or threatening to the American way of life, i think we should address all aspects of that discussion. Not just BLM and Antifa, and the left side of the American political aisle.

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1 hour ago, abrasivesaint said:

I have to come back and address some of the finer points but i just wanted to make the blanket statement that I’m not trying to argue that “this violence” is more acceptable than “that violence” with this thread. This also wasn’t necessarily created to be the current hot topic discussion. More so just a generalized place for this sort of news. This could just fade into the pages of forgotten threads and every news story could be created as it’s own thread, doesn’t matter to me honestly, i just think this thread should exist. 
 

Some members have expressed concern about the general feel around the forum. Like things are/were leaning very heavily in one direction politically. I think if there’s going to be visible threads about what is deemed terrorism or threatening to the American way of life, i think we should address all aspects of that discussion. Not just BLM and Antifa, and the left side of the American political aisle.

 

Fair. I think it’s a gut reaction to point out the left’s BS a little more these last couple years due to the fact that it’s covered so much less in most media and if it is, it’s always downplayed or spun 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I legitimately almost choked on my food laughing at that. I forgot about that one, haha. I mean i get what they were trying to say, but what a dumb ass thing to say. 
 

4 hours ago, Kults said:

 

Fair. I think it’s a gut reaction to point out the left’s BS a little more these last couple years due to the fact that it’s covered so much less in most media and if it is, it’s always downplayed or spun


Dont get me wrong, i understand the medias bullshit and ability to sway a story. I think a lot of that was just a reaction to the deep hatred of Trump, and now the aftermath and residual waves of his presidency. The left-ish media even does it to their own side as well, and i’m not even quite sure they know they do it. 
 

I know i’ve brought this up before, but i’ve seen very little of what i would deem accurate reporting on what happened in Seattle last year in the main stream media. The general gist Is out there of course, CHAZ, shootings, ect.. but the finer details are overlooked or neglected. From what i saw, the news would show up to CHAZ, interview like 1-2 black people at the barricades, and get the fuck outta there. In 20-30 minutes they’d be gone. There was 1 small group of people filming under a tent for some time and to this day i’m not quite sure who they were or what they were doing. I can say that they had some sort of security with them, if not straight up cops in plain clothes, i don’t know.
 

But i’m certain this happens with most shit. The Capital riot, or Malheur, wherever. I wasn’t there, but i’m sure it didn’t go down exactly like it’s portrayed. The only people who know are those on the front and in the thick, and even their stories will differ. Eye witness accounts have been proven to not always be credible. People lie, get confused, experience trauma and think things happened differently than they did.. but it’s the best we have in many scenarios.

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To try to go back to what was mentioned earlier. I don’t think theres some sort of right wing cabal super group. I do however think that many of these groups have the same general values and goals. God, guns and fuck the government being the 3 largest, with race being the smaller fraction. 
 

Some of these groups claim race is a non-factor, but when you do the digging, it tends to pop up in between the lines. Some people are a lot smarter than they’re given credit for. Folks know outright saying wild shit will turn people away. But with the right wording, and some grooming, much is possible. I don’t think we need to dive too heavy into the race extremists, i think they speak for themselves, ha. 
 

When it comes to God, i feel it’s often not about their rights to worship, it’s that they’re trying to force their beliefs on others. Many sects want their own little paradise, and carve them out in the back country. I would argue that i’ve done more traveling in the country than most US citizens, and shit gets real squirrely out there in “no man’s land.” You can definitely feel the tension in some places when you’re an outsider. Of course this isn’t everyone and everywhere, but those little corners of the world where it is, you can feel that you’re unwelcome, and at that point it’s not about American rights, it’s about THEIR rights to do as THEY please. Things can get real cult-y out there. 
 

When it comes to guns and government, i feel like these hardcore 2A types create their own problems, act as a reaction, the government tightens it’s grip, and they can do the “See! I told ya!”. I think some folks see a proposed bill, and don’t understand that it hadn’t been literally written into law yet, or that it can’t be overturned. I mean California just overturned a gun law, never would i have guessed that would happen. I also listened to a podcast recently that had an FBI speaker who touched on the legal definition of terrorism, and how broad it is, and how easily acts of violence can be spun into more government control. 

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