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and the discussions we have aren't bad, i think

 

i get heated af on here sometimes but its never from anything that really offends me.

i don't get offended that easily.

i mean there is some shit where i get mad, but thats different

 

i sound sluggish right now cuz this is my first week truly sober LMAOOO

 

I had one huge discussion about communism and that turned out pretty good.

I really don't mind more mods or any slight changes.

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I'll give my 2 cents- 

I kind of like the idea of structure. As much as it might bother me to some extent and others a little more, I don't want the politics section to exist anymore. Politics ruins everything from relationships to friendships to comedy and so on. 

Don't overdo it with rules, but don't underdo it, either. 

To all of you, excluding Raven; This is Raven's baby. He's watched this shit grow from a damn catalog to a magazine to a forum that we call home. 
You've got projects and things that you love as much as he loves this place. Let's show him some respect and try to make it work. He gave us this place for free. 

 

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2 hours ago, glorydays said:

and the discussions we have aren't bad, i think

 

i get heated af on here sometimes but its never from anything that really offends me.

i don't get offended that easily.

i mean there is some shit where i get mad, but thats different

 

i sound sluggish right now cuz this is my first week truly sober LMAOOO

 

I had one huge discussion about communism and that turned out pretty good.

I really don't mind more mods or any slight changes.



Congratulations on getting clean. Stay that way. 

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15 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

it fucking sucked...i didnt sleep for 3 nights cuz the pain was so bad


You're over the toughest part. Have you tried Kratom to ease the withdrawal or are you just going straight without any help? 

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Young enough to care but old enough to know better, people are saying what they think the right thing is. I like succinct ideas and if someone has to type a novel they're likely blowing smoke and this aint a beehive. This shit is like trying to make honey with mosquitos. If this site tries to be like social media or reddit its a huge loss, all those guidelines really do is empower people to control the narrative. IMO the people that want to censor political views on here are looking at this as a binary, there has been good momentum to keep channel zero like a dinner table where we dont talk about certain things but at the end of the day everything is political. A few dudes that wish they had clout on reddit or wherever but dont so they are trying to play down here in the minor leagues and others that are so out of touch their opinions on any street shit are irrelevant but would be great to ask for a limoncello recipe. Things can be seen as ternary and even tho I might not like some of yous I still see the value you add to the community. 

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1 hour ago, lord_casek said:

I'll give my 2 cents- 

I kind of like the idea of structure. As much as it might bother me to some extent and others a little more, I don't want the politics section to exist anymore. Politics ruins everything from relationships to friendships to comedy and so on. 

Don't overdo it with rules, but don't underdo it, either. 

To all of you, excluding Raven; This is Raven's baby. He's watched this shit grow from a damn catalog to a magazine to a forum that we call home. 
You've got projects and things that you love as much as he loves this place. Let's show him some respect and try to make it work. He gave us this place for free. 

 

 

Appreciate it, but this isnt about me. End of the day, yeah I built the ballpark, but the games are only worth playing because you guys came out. Forum is awesome because you make it that way. The burden of that, as well as the reward, is on all of you guys. I'm just facilitating it by providing a platform.

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Just now, misteraven said:

 

Appreciate it, but this isnt about me. End of the day, yeah I built the ballpark, but the games are only worth playing because you guys came out. Forum is awesome because you make it that way. The burden of that, as well as the reward, is on all of you guys. I'm just facilitating it by providing a platform.



I don't think I'm alone in not wanting to disappoint you. 

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Here's a link to the forum for a podcast I've been listening to for like 15 years. I've dropped links to episodes, as well as kicked off threads inspired by ideas and episodes from this podcast. It is, without question, the most liberty minded thinking and discussion I've ever come across. It had a role in inspiring my move to NW Montana. Literally, walked away from an agency doing work for some of the coolest and most successful brands on the planet to carve out my corner in the mountains and focus on me and mine. 

 

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/welcome-center/getting-along-in-the-forums

 

 

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Several months into doing the podcast a group of listeners basically demanded a forum.  That core group along with new people who were hand selected over the years evolved into an amazing staff of moderators who run, manage and enforce the forums rules.  The rules on the forum are not my rules, they are not the rules of any individual moderator they are in fact the community’s rules or what we call the Terms of Service or TOS.

 

The TOS is really more than a list of rules it is in effect our community constitution.  To be a good member of the community it would be a great idea to read our TOS for the forum before making your first post.  They are not long, not written in legalize and anyone posting is expected to have read them before joining in on the community discussions.  Do that and you will have great experiences in the forums.

 

Getting Along in Forums in General

Our forum is extremely welcoming and made up of a great group of more than 6,000 people.  Many have become great friends and even connected off line and work together on prepping, modern survival or just hang out and drink a beer or grab a bite to eat together on occasion.   Like any community there are existing relationships and existing etiquette that the group has come to expect.  It isn’t a clique and everyone is welcome, there is no “good old boys club” that excludes others but it is a social group, being online doesn’t change that.

Often in internet forums a new person comes in with a thought or idea or something to share and just tries to ram rod it into an unrelated discussion or makes the same post in 5 different sub boards and gets upset if not quickly responded to.  Sometimes they come off rude, even if they do not intend to.  Many times they post a link to their personal website as a first post which is generally seen as spam.

Think about it this way, if you walked into a bar, a business mixer or a PTA meeting for the first time, would you start off by shoving business cards in people’s faces or telling everyone the way you think everything should be run at the event?  Of course not, if you did you would probably be unwelcome and sent packing, trust me it works exactly the same way on any well run forum.

 

What people tend to do in social meetings offline like a business mixer or a PTA meeting is listen more than talk at least a bit at first.  Then, they introduce themselves, they add to existing conversations, they ask questions, etc.  This can be a very short process as the point is simply to learn the feel of the group, what they are all about and where you have common ground.  Along with that you also get a feel for basic etiquette and that allows you to fit into the group as you contribute to it.

 

Most people would never show up at a business mixer and say to everyone they see, “hey go to my website and buy my stuff” or show up and pick a fight about religion or politics with folks they just met.  Those same people though sometimes do exactly those types of things online in a forum as if basic courtesy don’t apply simply because the group is “virtual”.  Please remember our virtual group is made of of real people.  I promise you that if you approach our forum with the same attitude you would go to a first meeting of a church group, business mixer or social club with, you will have a wonderful experience with our forum.

 

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We believe in freedom of speech, we just don’t believe you have a right to your free speech via the private property of another person.  The forums are not a public resource, I pay for them and their upkeep, your free speech doesn’t give you the right to break the community’s rules.  No you can’t just say anything you want, if you are in doubt of the rules, again just read the TOS.   Let me explain this in an easy to understand analogy if you find this an oppressive attitude.

 

I believe in your free speech and if you wanted to spray paint something in big red letters (even something that highly offends me) on the side of your house I would defend your right to do so.  Why?  It is your house, it is your property, you can use it as you see fit.  But, should I be required to allow you to spay that message on my house as part of supporting your free speech?  Very few people with an IQ higher then 14 would ever expect that.  So why should you expect the right to use my site or my community’s forum free of our rules under the auspices of “free speech”?

 

Your free speech applies with your right to speak and be heard via public resources and your private property.  You can say anything you want on your website or your blog.  You can say anything you want that complies with our TOS on ours, we hope that makes sense.

 

Fighting the Moderators and the Rules a Bad Idea

On occasion we get a person joining the forum with their own ideas of how our community should be run and what the rules should be.   Most of the time these folks are swiftly warned by a moderator that they are in violation of the TOS and asked to refrain from such behavior in the future.    Many understand that rules are rules and either comply or find a community more in tune with their particular agenda.

 

Then we have the occasional assclown that insists on trying to tell the moderator staff the way things should be.  They generally tell the moderators no less then screw off and state some version of  “I will damn well do as I please”, such users get banned permanently and swiftly.

 

Humorously such people often appeal directly to me via email and plead either ignorance of the rules or more likely that they were falsely accused.  I do not run the forum the moderators do, if you violate the TOS and get banned emailing me is a complete waste of your energy.

Lastly on this, snipers have a old saying, “if you run you will only die tired” on the forum we say, “argue with our moderators about rules and you will only be banned and frustrated”.    Simply put if you are advised that a post of yours is a TOS violation, it is a TOS violation.  Arguing the point is not advised.  If you state that you will continue to post similar posts, we will believe you at your word and ban you.

 

We Really are Friendly People

The above sounds strict but only for the benefit of the community.  The forum and our moderators are very friendly and open people.  There are boards on many subjects and odds are no matter what part of prepping you are most engauged in is discussed in the forums in one of the boards.

 

Don’t let the tone of the above put you off, 99% of the people who join the forum probably don’t even need to read this page.  I put it up for the 1%.  This 1% is the group that takes up 90% of the moderator staffs time, energy and resources.  To provide the best forum we can for the 99% that understand basic courtesy and rules we have decided that the 1% need a cut and dry explanation and therefore get a very short rope as it pertains to the community’s rules.

In other words the rules don’t exist to oppress the majority, they exist to prevent the minority from ruining the community for everyone.  In essence, we are a constitutional republic where the rights of all are protected.  We are all bound by the rules even me.  That is true equality in a community.

 

https://forums.thesurvivalpodcast.com//index.php?topic=625.0

 

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IDK, just kicking thoughts around in my head for now, but what use would it be if I do not share because who knows what bad ideas or great ideas may snow ball into something.  

 

Right now I am trying to think of what all the social media outlets do not have (collectively), what's something fresh, something new to the scene that may push 12oz forward?  

 

At the moment, I am thinking of an actual Chanel, animation, sitcom, a short or something based on graffiti or anyone of these title threads.   

 

I may sound kinda lame or something, and not sure how much it may cost to start something like this but it's just a can to kick for starters. 

 

🤷‍♂️ IDK, just trying to see who kicks the can next. 

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6 hours ago, lord_casek said:


You're over the toughest part. Have you tried Kratom to ease the withdrawal or are you just going straight without any help? 

 

i was prescribed suboxolone or whatever its called

but i only take if it becomes super fucking unbearable

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8 hours ago, glorydays said:

 

i was prescribed suboxolone or whatever its called

but i only take if it becomes super fucking unbearable



Go get yourself some Kratom and try to stay away from suboxone. Plenty of people who get addicted to that shit, too. 
You should be able to find it at a local head shop. 

You've got this. Just don't go back to that poison. 

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I've been thinking about this push for new rules and more structure a lot and I think I have a solution. 
I think that everyone is overthinking this and a ground base of rules need to be set, but it needs to be basic. 

No Racism


No Doxxing


Arguments should be moderated by level headed members (I'll expand on this) and if not resolved should be taken to PM by request of a moderator
or by force of a moderator (moderation actions)

No pirated materials


No spam.


Expansion of "arguments"- We're the adults now. We should be setting examples for the younger members. The older members should be taking lead on moderating (without the mod tools). Moderators should be second line, and Admin third and final line (it should never come to this step). 

Just having a political section invites the Karens we don't want. I enjoyed it once upon a time when I was argumentative and hard headed, but those days are over.  

All of us still like to have fun and break balls. That is part of what 12oz has always been, part of graffiti culture, and part of life. Adding too many rules could have an opposite affect and smother the site instead of building upon it. 

Don't overcomplicate things. KISS. 

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8 hours ago, lord_casek said:



Go get yourself some Kratom and try to stay away from suboxone. Plenty of people who get addicted to that shit, too. 
You should be able to find it at a local head shop. 

You've got this. Just don't go back to that poison. 

 

I'll take your advice.

I fucking hate pills now.

 

I'm never going through this shit again

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11 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

I'll take your advice.

I fucking hate pills now.

 

I'm never going through this shit again



They're a trap. You should make a thread about how the addiction started. Might help out some younger members. 

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Everything is political limiting political speech is political. Some fuck shit. If a counter culture site is embracing systemic censorship as a society we are doomed. Is this the part of the arc when some washed up writers turn into Karens. Shameful.

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24 minutes ago, where said:

Everything is political limiting political speech is political. Some fuck shit. If a counter culture site is embracing systemic censorship as a society we are doomed. Is this the part of the arc when some washed up writers turn into Karens. Shameful.



I think I should remind you that Crossfire was added to the site because people like me, Theo, AngelofDeath, and some others kept clogging up Channel Zero with political discussion. 

That probably never should have happened. This isn't a political site. There are plenty of places for that. Whole sites filled to the brim that you can agree with people or argue people in. 

Politics ruins everything. 

Have your views. I have mine. I'm just not going to advertise them anymore because it pushes away people, things, opportunities, etc. I have places to go if I want to argue or agree or just let loose and laugh about stupid shit. I come here to be with like-minded creatives with a shared experience(s). 


 

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51 minutes ago, lord_casek said:



I think I should remind you that Crossfire was added to the site because people like me, Theo, AngelofDeath, and some others kept clogging up Channel Zero with political discussion. 

That probably never should have happened. This isn't a political site. There are plenty of places for that. Whole sites filled to the brim that you can agree with people or argue people in. 

Politics ruins everything. 

Have your views. I have mine. I'm just not going to advertise them anymore because it pushes away people, things, opportunities, etc. I have places to go if I want to argue or agree or just let loose and laugh about stupid shit. I come here to be with like-minded creatives with a shared experience(s). 


 

 

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1 hour ago, fat ralphy said:

Pretty sure the word censorship is a huge leap from what is being suggested.

 

Seems like don’t act like an ass is a more reasonable way to sum up this effort.

 

 


It's the culture we're in now. I've felt it and am guilty of it, too. Things change. 

I spent five years being called all kinds of horrible things that I'm not. I re-payed those 
calling me names by calling them things that they aren't. It spreads poison and divides
and it doesn't stop until one of the parties realizes what a hamster wheel it is. 

Call me pro censorship. I've been called worse. I won't return the favor.


Look at how it's dividing and nothing has even been done. Over an idea. I don't even have
any power to do any of this. I can't call Raven and say "enact these rules!". So silly. 

 

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