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READ ME: 12oz Community Project - Trying to rally you guys up to help push the forum forward.


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31 minutes ago, fat ralphy said:

MOAR arrows 

 

Fundamentally 12oz will always be based in graffiti but the culture has grown to be so much more than that.....

 

Especially as we have all gotten older. I fucking love graffiti, completely. That said it is not the only thing I value as a 40 year old man.....20 years ago though it was all I cared about, except maybe smoking tree. 

 

I think oontz can be a hub of sorts for all of us and the multiple interests that we share. At this point most of the content here is unrelated to graffiti more or less.....sure we all came here via that route but in my mind that means I am more inclined to have commonalities with all of you.



So maybe we get a loose plan of action together? Populate the photo threads, maybe bench a little to give metalheads and brickslayers a push, and whatever else we can give a push?

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If we want to improve 12oz, we could continue looking back towards past glory when the forum was really bumping. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen. If we're making efforts to improve here, and draw in new members to contribute more content, we should instead be looking towards a new future. Realistically those glory days of the forum just aren't ever coming back.

 

Most of us have our roots based in graffiti, but I don't think the majority of members posting in Channel Zero are still out bombing regularly. Props if you are, but I know I'm not. Those days are long over for me, and to be honest I don't even snap flicks of graffiti anymore, or even know who's who in any city anymore. I still have a huge respect for the culture, and occasionally check Brick Slayer's, and Metal heads, but honestly speaking that's rare. I'm in the off topic portion of the forum 99% of the time.

 

Where I do think we excel is in our continued core values of not conforming to norms, and to me that's what makes this place different from any other platform. Even though we're not addicted to bombing anymore we're basically still making our own norms work for us, as opposed to conforming.

 

The content I find most engaging are threads like Crypto, Online Privacy, Food, Off Grid Living, This Old Trap House, etc. Fuck, even the Lego thread was dope and I haven't touched any since the 80's, To me it's most engaging diving into conversations where members have developed a passion on any given subject as adults. Some of these topics are people's hobbies, some of these topics are people's passions, and some are topics like people's making careers out of something they care about. To me, that's where it's at. We still have a tendency towards obsession. Every one of us has these passions outside of Graffiti now in one way or another, and we should be sharing that. Basically less duck lip selfies, and deep dives into topics most of the boring mainstream folks on Social media aren't clicking likes for.

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Please note that this thread isnt so much about discussing a strategy for a new direction for 12oz. Likewise, I'm not really interested in circling back into a conversation about whether the forum is relevant or capable of going against social media or whatever else is out there scrambling to engage people. It either is or it isn't and the choice is to either speculate about it or just keep chipping away at making this place a fun place to gather, have some lolz and perhaps make some new friends. I recall a few years back when I relaunched the forum, how it was an absolute ghost town... Literally only a handful of people posting and rarely on the same day, let alone the same hour. Then after some time, the conversation shifted to how the forum was just way too slow, even if by then it was a couple dozen people and most page 1 threads had a comment from that day. Now, largely on its own, its reached a point where there is a real sense of community, however small. There's more than a couple threads with real energy behind them and not just a handful of people trying to bump and breath life into old mega threads. To me, its not about turning the forum its the same thing it once was, its merely about community and an alternative to what's out there being shopped as community (social media).

 

Anyhow, we have a lot of other threads out there that dissect social media or talk about moving forward as a brand. More I dwell on it, the more I feel it isn't really that deep. 12oz is unlikely to ever have the financial and technical resources to be a true player in that space and I'm fine with that. In the meantime, we can have our own grass roots alternative, that we already recognize as being way more authentic, way more rewarding and way more entertaining. That's all we need and as people stumble on what we have going here, maybe they'll come to the same conclusion and stick around. I'm sure at some point the conversation will shift to "there's too many people many people I dont know" and "I miss the old 12oz when it was all family". 

 

In any case, not to complicate the intent with this thread, but the idea is simply to assemble a basic mission statement that goes on to summarize our intent by keeping this little experiment going. From that we'll formulate some basic rules that make sense and then continue on to establish a debate protocol that allows for a more formal exploration of ideas and dialogue so that the news section has what it needs to be a real platform for discussing deeper topics.

 

So to that end, please read my last comment and please start linking references to community guidelines, rules and formal debate protocols and we'll figure out how to twist and tweak it into what makes sense for our own community. If after that, you guys wan to continue on with the effort to keep building, I'll join in and support however I can.

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I mean its super basic but here is the guideline used for one of the subreddits I frequent. Essentially just cutting down on unnecessary posts, directing the more low quality content to stickies and general advice of don’t be a cock.

 

Now keep in mind there would be numerous threads posted in this sub - so this is more of an overview guideline.

 

I imagine each area on the forum would have its own guidelines. ie Channel Zero, Crossfire, Lifestyle, Brickslayers  etc

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Interesting comparison would be r/dankmemes

which sees likely millions of users. The rules are fucking plentiful but I like that they have an edge to them. Plus it directly address some of the cock puppetry type shit we see here from time to time that make things wack.

 

And before all the “this isn’t Reddit” - no shit, just getting some relevant materials in for discussion.

 

 

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One interesting thing I notice about the dankmemes sub is that there is a karma threshold needed to allow posting.

 

I could see that function being pretty ideal in regards to certain content. Basically until you have spent enough time around here and know the operation you can’t chime in.....yet.

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Some rules from a Discord server i participate in from time to time. This Discord is honestly the most civil and informative place on the internet that i’ve ever been, so i figured i would share it’s rules and guidelines as reference. 

 

I’m breaking Rule 9. (Dont tell.) 

 

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On 5/22/2021 at 3:31 AM, Deine Mudder said:

 

Appreciate the thought you're putting into this but I really am not sure if structuring 12oz from above will indeed "improve the experience".

Imagine your local graffiti was being "structured".

 

I guess most OG members left not because of a lack of structure but because this forum wasn't fucking functioning for years, no offense,

and maybe they just got older, had family, interest changed etc. - and the new kids just lack the attention span required for interacting with other like one does in a forum - it's rather just commenting on IG and TikTok and whatever now.

 

Sure, there's some people and some ideas communicated on here I am offended by (blunt fascism and misogyny), but as with graffiti on the wall I don't like I just ignore / deal with it.

What you're intending to do is essentially buffing / censoring, right?

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/22/2021 at 11:03 AM, LUGR said:

 

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Most sense I’ve gotten out of this thread thus far. And since I’m here on the topic. Piggy backing off @Deine Mudderis my move. There is SO MUCH babble on here I just straight up choose to ignore. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but one of the main source reasons I personally fall out of interest is how fucking annoyingly political and sensitive over feely the vibe has gotten. It’s fuckin outta control. Clearly we all got super wild old and most of y’all smart peoples mindset has either gone in one direction or the other on the politics of life. Cool. Never was here for any of that hype and I’m still not. I originally came around via graffiti which we all did (well MOST of us) and I associate that shit with hip hop, hood culture, underground gutter shit and creativity . Makes no god damned sense the direction the vibes gone on here. And If I’m being totally honest, ever since I started poking around again it feels like everyday I’m waiting for the curtains to slide over and a whole gang of closet kkk members just jump out and start buggin. Sounds extremely ridiculous but it’s the vibe. And I still don’t give af cause I’m cool with all y’all regardless of what side of the fence you hang on. I can post pictures again and that’s what I’ll do but I try not to bother with the rest of the kind of chatter that always seems to become a problem. 

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On 5/22/2021 at 8:50 AM, Joker said:

I'll continue to do my best to keep the Toys Post Here thread alive with good content, and keep the posts civil.

I think this is a very cool thing you're doing in the toys post here thread.
 

Credit where it's due

 

 

 

 

 

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@abrasivesaint& @NightmareOnElmStreetcoming through with gold. Me personally, I like political debate, but feel it has no place in channel zero at least because unlike me, most people either hate it, or just hate debate in general and come here for good vibes, and lols.

 

In short, politics is a huge turnoff. Basically the reasons I made a thread for political memery in the news section, which honestly because of it's meme centric nature doesn't really fit there either. I wonder if there's a way we could tag threads, as "political" and allow political discussion in there, and by default just filter them out unless users want to opt in.

 

I just think as of right now, that's probably the biggest hurdle according to the feedback I've picked up on.

 

I think the rules @abrasivesaintposted would be a good start to work with. I'll extract the text from those screen shots and copy paste into here so we can work with them. Some of those rules can be combined to reduce redundancy. I'd also like to see rules that apply specifically to formal debate, or political posts.

 

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  1. Absolutely no racism whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. There will be zero tolerance of anything like this.
  2. Don't dox anyone.
  3. Political chat needs to betaken to DMs between users if it turns into an argument. There's enough bullshit political arguing online as it is. We don't want it here. It’s fine to disagree with each other too. There are many different ideologies here, and it not turning into a shitfest or arguing is what makes the chat so interesting.
  4. No bullying
  5. No “snowflake” vibes from any side or ism. Not interested. We have fucked up jokes here (within reason) all the time. If that's not for you then you're in the wrong rat-hole.
  6. No homophobia or sexism or transphobia at all ever. Get to fuck with that. We're not all soft cunts here but this isn't 4chan, at all.
  7. Nazis, misogynists, homophobes, racists, and tankies get the fucking rope (rope being kicked from the server).
  8. If you're easily offended, get to fuck.
  9. Don't post any content from the chat outside of the chat without asking permission.
  10. Kathy Griffin is an idiot
  11. No thirst-posting. That is, no one wants to hear you talk about how much you want to fuck someone or what sex you are into in your private life. It's gross to be talking about that here and often very disrespectful. Not saying be a prude, just don't be a teenager.
  12. Anyone advocating for violence, advising others on violence, living out their stupid revolutionary LARP wet dream, or calling for violence, will be immediately banned without warning. You are essentially jeopardizing the whole PF project when you do dumb shit like that. This Is NOT a place for violent activists to gather and plot. This is a place to learn, have friends, chat etc. There will be no warnings. You will be immediately removed from the server if you advocate for violence.
  13. Do not use this place as a means to recruit people to your political group or movement. If you're an activist and run a group, that's up to you. This is not a place for you to advertise. Popular Front is not tinder for "comrades", it's a grass root war reporting movement of like minded people from many different ideologies. Don't recruit and don't alienate people please.

 

 

Had to drop in the last rule I almost missed. Maybe these are a good starting point to start structuring our own guidelines.

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41 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I just think as of right now, that's probably the biggest hurdle according to the feedback I've picked up on.

 

I think the rules @abrasivesaintposted would be a good start to work with. I'll extract the text from those screen shots and copy paste into here so we can work with them. Some of those rules can be combined to reduce redundancy. I'd also like to see rules that apply specifically to formal debate, or political posts.

 

We can prepend tags. That function exists though it's rarely been used. I think I had it setup like that for the contributors when we attempted to use the forum to coordinate. Anyhow, certainly something we can do.

 

A few things that come to mind is that the forum itself definitely needs a mission statement / summary. After that, I think each forum section needs its own set of rules. What applies to Brickslayers is much different than what applies to News or Channel Zero for example. Likewise, I'd very much like to encourage the use of groups and will likely weave reminders / suggestions or some other heads up into them to remind people of groups, which I see as the closest thing we have to subreddits, ass the group owner can set their own rules, moderators, direction. I know those have yet to really take off, but I still believe they will. Its just a matter of time before someone manages to anchor one and set it off and then eventually we'll see others start to gain traction as they become "discovered".

 

In any case, I'm still looking for more context here... I hope that you guys participating in here will drop links to other platforms, forums etc that have rules or guidelines work looking at. Honestly, not that deep to spend an hour googling it and dropping links and then we'll move to the next step of cutting pasting portions that make sense for us.

 

Make sense?

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12 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Yeah fuck this.  This is turning gay af really quick and i'm not going to be a part of it.  Remove me.


Odd that you wouldn’t see how some structure might help keep the forum a little cleaner and conversations on track, especially as it grows. But no worries, there’s nothing for you to do or be removed from. I’d suggested you as a member to help panel this since you’re pretty vocal and representative of one end of the spectrum, but no worries. 
 

I plan to proceed with this in one form or another. Might require various iterations to dial in or maybe in the future we find a better method to keep discussions from going off the rails. Either way, I’ll keep plugging away in an attempt to realize this vision I have for the forum and 12ozProphet as a whole and hopefully continue to make it a better place to meet people, have some lolz and maybe get turned into something new. 

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