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1 hour ago, Tails0nE said:

But wouldn't that contradict the whole "love thy neighbor" concept..?


God is vengeful. I would argue that someone saying something that has the intention to inflame is not very neighborly. 
 

Disrespecting God in my presence would draw my ire as well. I may not choose to enact violence but I would play it by ear. It's definitely a reason to not continue interacting with an individual.  I'd say physical violence would be justified only in the most extreme situation. 
 

Of course this doesn't discourage the idea of unattributable or unjustified violence.  Could catch an ass beating just "on principal" too and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. 
 

Some people have to learn to control their mouth in public the hard way. I think nowadays they get called Karen a lot if they're female. 

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I can agree that the slander would be considered not neighborly and get why it can be perceived as such but I don't agree of the potentiality to be catching hands off of someone's, most likely very ignorant, opinion on the subject.. cause that can still be considered equally not neighborly as well even if they do annoy the fuck out of you to the extreme.. but that's when I think the free will comes into play to be able to hone in on your emotions pull back the reigns a bit and walk away and disconnect yourself from that person entirely as you said now that I can agree on.. but, easier said than done for sure.. like if you wanna think or behave a certain way kudos but I don't want nothing to do with ya.. but I feel the same way people need to watch their mouths in public is the same way people need to watch the hands being giveth, BUT, granted there are indeed times were the fade is justifiable.. just matters on the circumstances there'd be too many variables to pinpoint if the ass eating would be considered right or wrong so that would solely depend on the situation at hand..

 

Also if someone was inflaming god's name and his existence who are we to be the ones to react in god's name because of such..? 

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1 hour ago, Tails0nE said:

 

I don't think god purposely creates people like that.. he gives people the free will to do what they want if that wasn't the case we wouldn't be on here talking about getting handjobs from flaming skeletons.. but if you bring up the existence of god you gotta also bring in the devil as well and the temptation he gives people on the daily basis.. if there's an absolute good then there's gotta be an absolute evil as well.. you know ying and yang or as above so below or whatever.. ya know..?


 

I hear you. and fair points. A devil naturally comes into the conversation in terms of many beliefs of God. However, if a God is the creator of humankind, then i believe that God must take responsibility for the shortcomings of his creations, not blame a devil or the product for exploitation of it’s flaws. If we are a creation that can not be adjusted, then so be it, we are flawed. I have hard time believing such a supreme being could create something so flawed and be like “well, i tried,” and i’m supposed to devote my life to their will.
 

I can’t say i simply believe in the idea of ying and yang as an absolute either. That because one may exist, that the other must as well. I think it often can appear or feel that way because we tend to find or look for meaning in just about everything because Nihilism is a mother fucker. 

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I get where you're coming from it's pretty logical so I feel you on that.. but I also don't think he/she/or whatever up there has the kind of "meh.. well at least I tried oh well.." kind of attitude when it comes to hoomanz.. the average mind is very moldable and easy to manipulate I mean look at everything that's transpired this year.. so I don't think it's too far fetched to say that some evil deity or something supernatural out there can and does manipulate people and their minds to act out in an evil manner to expose the flaws in said creation and use them to their bidding.. kind of like Constantine where they say the war between heaven and hell is basically who can influence humans more.. they can't directly touch or interact with them it's more so mental manipulation or whatever.. kind of crazy thought yeah but who knows idk I just thought about it as I'm typing this out now.. shout out my boy Keanu..

 

But yeah I'm not religious by any means whatsoever just throwing out thoughts on the subject since Ive been pretty baked most of the day.. interesting topic and viewpoints once you take away the emotion and connection..

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I just read through this entire thread and came to a new conclusion. I had never entertained that God was real let alone Jesus Christ. I now have a new working theory that Jesus Christ is a time traveler from the future. He pops up every couple thousand years when the chips are down to refresh his story for the times.

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Five pages. Five pages debating this tired argument. 

 

You believe in God and creation? Hooray!! You go and do your thing. You believe in the Big Bang thing? Yippee for you!! You go and do your thing. I cannot figure out why this argument continues to pop up when the outcome is always... always the same. You believe, you debated, but didn't change the non-believer's mind - or - you don't believe, you debated, but didn't change the believer's mind. Instead you spent five pages having the same argument with no outcome. Check back here in ten years for the same thread to be started with the same argument, same outcome.

 

God is what you want God to be, real or not. God is either creation to you, or a character in Family Guy. You either believe in God or you don't. End of conversation. Right? I cannot understand why this is so hard. 

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19 minutes ago, Joker said:

Five pages. Five pages debating this tired argument. 

 

You believe in God and creation? Hooray!! You go and do your thing. You believe in the Big Bang thing? Yippee for you!! You go and do your thing. I cannot figure out why this argument continues to pop up when the outcome is always... always the same. You believe, you debated, but didn't change the non-believer's mind - or - you don't believe, you debated, but didn't change the believer's mind. Instead you spent five pages having the same argument with no outcome. Check back here in ten years for the same thread to be started with the same argument, same outcome.

 

God is what you want God to be, real or not. God is either creation to you, or a character in Family Guy. You either believe in God or you don't. End of conversation. Right? I cannot understand why this is so hard. 

 

Dude, do you know how to make Krink? Asking for a friend.

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I understand, that sentiment @Joker.  I think everyone here still has the same relationship they did before this thread was created.  I could be ignorant but I'm not going to act any differently towards anyone on this site just because they believe or don't believe.  I have a better idea of who shares a common idea about the subject now though.

 

Sometimes it's better to not polarize yourself but in this case I think it's ok.  I bet there are a ton of religious graffiti writers.  In fact the two guys that I started painting freights with in the mid 2000s were good friends from a Catholic school.  They're great friends to this day.

 

On another side of that token, 2 brothers from Queens taught me everything I basically know about letter structure and where to begin your graffiti journey.  Those two brothers were/are Muslim.  Also, both great dudes.

 

I do remember going to their house one time and their very Muslim non English speaking mother was like super fucking pissed they brought me into their house.  She was chewing the older brother out for it I was fairly certain.  In any case, those guys didn't share my beliefs and this was no problem.

 

It's only a problem for those that make it a problem.

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43 minutes ago, mr.yuck said:

@Jokernot for nothin homie, but I think I have a pretty fresh new take on Jesus. 

 

Fun to riff about but my suspicion is that Jesus is not actually a time traveler from the future.  I don't know that for fact, but it just seems a little stretchy.  Thinking about it is really the goal of this thread and I think every now and then people should get a reminder to re-evaluate their ideas and values.  I'm constantly trying to figure out ways I can improve myself and be a better person to those around me.  You guys definitely get to see a spicier side to me that I don't share with everyone but that's because we're here on a forum.

 

I bet if we were all at a keg party together and nobody knew who anyone else was, just about every single one of us would be friendly with one another.  It really would be as simple as that.

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46 minutes ago, misteraven said:

 

Dude, do you know how to make Krink? Asking for a friend.

Rack a container of shoe polish from your local drug store, discard the shoe polish liquid and clean the container out. Then, fill the empty container with Krink. Presto! 

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5 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I understand, that sentiment @Joker.  I think everyone here still has the same relationship they did before this thread was created.  I could be ignorant but I'm not going to act any differently towards anyone on this site just because they believe or don't believe.  I have a better idea of who shares a common idea about the subject now though.

 

This is really all I'm getting at. Seems to me that anyone who is an atheist, even agnostic, is not going to be swayed into believing in God or creation based on the confidence of a young woman waving a lollipop around. 

 

I'm married to a Jehovah's Witness, have been for 25 years. She grew up that way, her entire family is, most of her friends are, I would never argue with any of them against their faith. 

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I admittedly don't know much about the JW's.  My brother married a Mormon woman.  It's not weird, we just don't talk about beliefs.  Oddly enough my brother who married the Mormon woman, that despite having the same upbringing I had, recently decided that he is Buddhist.

 

Welp ok, cannot argue with that decision either.  I'm not even unhappy w/ it, but it did surprise me.

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@Jokeri just like arguing sometimes if I’m being honest. I genuinely like everyone I disagree with here and I don’t really feel strongly about anything that doesn’t directly alter my every day. But yeah arguing is fun. Wanna argue with us?

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1 hour ago, Dark_Knight said:

@Jokeri just like arguing sometimes if I’m being honest. I genuinely like everyone I disagree with here and I don’t really feel strongly about anything that doesn’t directly alter my every day. But yeah arguing is fun. Wanna argue with us?

 

Once I've had my tea, sure. 

 

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6 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I admittedly don't know much about the JW's. 

 

They're definitely different than Mormons, but continuously get mistaken for them. Probably because of the door-to-door proselytizing the two religions do. I've read a few online horror stories about JWs but in the 25 years I've been around them, lots of them (even going to their HQ buildings in New York), I've never met an asshole. Doesn't mean there isn't any, I just haven't met any. Really nice people, very respectful.

 

BTW, if they knock on your door and you don't want them to just kindly tell them to take your address off their list and they'll never, ever come back. 

 

Or tell them a good joke. They love jokes, especially about JWs. Not kidding. 

 

 

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I like your experience @Joker in this.  Mine has been the same with Christians, Catholics, and Mormons.  Despite the "religious persecution" that Christians have apparently enacted in the past and despite what westborough baptist church does, I have not met any b hole Christians.

 

Funny enough, I grew up next to the Potter House church in Grand Prairie, TX.  It was right across the toll bridge from my house.  This church had big screen tvs and massive stadium seating.  I believe many of the Dallas Cowboys attended church there every time there was a service.  That kind of thing is kinda odd to me just like televangilism is.  I think there's likely some people that lead/own that church that profit massively off of it.... and that stands in opposition to my beliefs about it.

 

I grew up going to little tiny churchs that you'd find in small towns.... they look like they're just the size of a smallish/medium house.

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