Legit question from a non US citizen

[Decyferon]

If you're republican or democrat or libertarian, are you embarrassed about how your country looks to the rest of the world? Like you were once a flagship of what to do,  now an absolute diagram of what not to do? I'm not casting judgement, I just wanna hear people's opinions on how the US looks to the rest of the world, in your opinion and if you think the rest of the world matters?

[Mercer]

I'm personally an anarchist and there's no better government, than no government. So in a way I kind of agree that anyone excited for either one of these fucktard teams is stupid, but that's just me.

 

With that said, it doesn't offend me if someone in a foreign country feels better about themselves, every time something bad happens to us either. I've traveled everywhere, lived in Europe for 6 years growing up, and married women from other continents. I'm here by choice, why, it's not perfect but it's sure as fuck better here than anyplace else on the planet, especially places like Europe/Australia where all this "fuck America is dumb"  judgemental bullshit comes from.

[Decyferon]

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I'm personally an anarchist and there's no better government, than no government. So in a way I kind of agree that anyone excited for either one of these fucktard teams is stupid, but that's just me.

 

With that said, it doesn't offend me if someone in a foreign country feels better about themselves, every time something bad happens to us either. I've traveled everywhere, lived in Europe for 6 years growing up, and married women from other continents. I'm here by choice, why, it's not perfect but it's sure as fuck better here than anyplace else on the planet, especially places like Europe/Australia where all this "fuck America is dumb"  judgemental bullshit comes from.

My mum always refers to me as an anarchist tbf I think the UK political system is fucked as are most, you can't run on a 2 party system which is what we all do!

I love American culture etc but I do sometimes think america is a microcosm of what the world is veering towards, massive polarisation. 

[Dark_Knight]

America isn’t as bad as the news makes it out to be. Our political system is completely screwed, but whos isn’t? It’s frustrating to have divide in any case. 
 

I would consider myself a moderate as far as politics go, but there really is no place for someone like me as far as elected officials i can truly stand by. 
 

All that said, regardless of the domestic and global narrative that’s given, the vast majority of Americans would band together and show their patriotism if there was a true opposing force who threatened our lives and territory.

[Dark_Knight]

That’s being said, Trump was/is an absolute cancer to our country, and makes me second guess everything I just stated. I could stand by those words more confidently before his reign of terror.

[Decyferon]

Patriotism is something that always bothers me but thats my issue and nothing to do with this conversation.

Don't you think it is bad that Americans will only band together at a threat to the US, rather than making it better for everyone, or is that socialism?

 

I am trying to dobthe devil's advocate so don't slaughter me

[Decyferon]

43 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I'm personally an anarchist and there's no better government, than no government. So in a way I kind of agree that anyone excited for either one of these fucktard teams is stupid, but that's just me.

 

With that said, it doesn't offend me if someone in a foreign country feels better about themselves, every time something bad happens to us either. I've traveled everywhere, lived in Europe for 6 years growing up, and married women from other continents. I'm here by choice, why, it's not perfect but it's sure as fuck better here than anyplace else on the planet, especially places like Europe/Australia where all this "fuck America is dumb"  judgemental bullshit comes from.

I never think america is dumb  it just doesn't do its best, if that makes sense, its like the ultimate disappointment child

[Dark_Knight]

I completely agree. We are a divided country. Most dont want Americans as a whole to have a good quality of life. They want their piece of the pie and fuck everyone else. 

[Dark_Knight]

1 minute ago, Decyferon said:

I never think america is dumb  it just doesn't do its best, if that makes sense, its like the ultimate disappointment child

Exactly. It’s like the top athlete of a child who decided to party and ruined their future. So much wasted potential 

[Decyferon]

1 minute ago, Dark_Knight said:

Exactly. It’s like the top athlete of a child who decided to party and ruined their future. So much wasted potential 

There is no reason to quote my school reports 

[KILZ FILLZ]

2 hours ago, Decyferon said:

If you're republican or democrat or libertarian, are you embarrassed about how your country looks to the rest of the world? Like you were once a flagship of what to do,  now an absolute diagram of what not to do? I'm not casting judgement, I just wanna hear people's opinions on how the US looks to the rest of the world, in your opinion and if you think the rest of the world matters?

Yes it’s absolutely embarrassing 

I was abroad while Bush jr was pres and that was bad

cant imagine being a young American abroad during this pres

[Dirty_habiT]

12 hours ago, Decyferon said:

If you're republican or democrat or libertarian, are you embarrassed about how your country looks to the rest of the world? Like you were once a flagship of what to do,  now an absolute diagram of what not to do? I'm not casting judgement, I just wanna hear people's opinions on how the US looks to the rest of the world, in your opinion and if you think the rest of the world matters?

 

There's a lot of things that must be defined to get a proper answer.

 

How does our country "look" to "the rest of the world"?

What is that "we do" that we were "once considered a flagship" at?

What should a country "not do" as defined with words and not simply saying "what USA did"?

 

My opinion of what people that don't affect my life think is that I don't care what they think because they cannot and will not affect my life.  This definitely helps me not worry so much about other people and what they're doing.  I think that people have become too caught up in being Karens in the world, trying to always micro manage someone else's shit for them.

 

So..... to sum it up real short like, I dgaf what anyone in UK, Africa, Japan, China, Australia.... thinks about "how this country is run" because I have had no hand in it whatsoever.  I don't work in politics so I cannot take ownership of what all has happened here as a whole.  I can only take ownership and pride in what I've done as a single person or as a team that I've worked on w/ other people.

[Dirty_habiT]

12 hours ago, Decyferon said:

My mum always refers to me as an anarchist tbf I think the UK political system is fucked as are most, you can't run on a 2 party system which is what we all do!

I love American culture etc but I do sometimes think america is a microcosm of what the world is veering towards, massive polarisation. 

 

I believe you to be 100% correct in your prediction on this.  Other countries will attempt to do what we've done with our government.  People will get tired of a single "royal family" ruling w/ nepotism.  I think the govt of other places in the world is "interesting" to say the least.  I'd be unhappy w/ you get to be my leader because you were born into xyz family.  Fuck all that.

 

I much prefer you get to be my leader because the majority of the people that need a leader think you're the best one.  Then the game becomes how do we fool people into believing we're the best leader for an election.  When everyone in the world starts doing this for their countries, then corruption and lying/cheating/stealing, immoral behavior will be common place.

 

Whoever can cheat the hardest can win.  A lot of things in life are like that.  I'm not condoning it, just recognizing it via my perception of the world.  Stand on others' shoulders to make yourself appear great.  This is the idea behind any leader that was born into a royal family.

 

There's already massive polarization among people.  The book i linked below sums it up in simple terms very nicely.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butter_Battle_Book

[Dirty_habiT]

" It can also be seen as a satirical work, with its depiction of a deadly war based on a senseless conflict over something as trivial as a breakfast food. "

[Dirty_habiT]

What i'm saying is y'all motherfuckers will argue about what side of the bread butter goes on.  Polarization among a population is nothing new at all.  It's just obvious here because the media and the cheaters have poured a LOT of fuel on the fire.  If you remember back in the early 2000s, the democratic party wasn't destroying cities with antifa and with their liberal policies, but now it's common place.  I can name five cities off the top of my head right now in USA that are having their assholes absolutely blown out with liberal policy.

 

This is the trickling effect that will fuck us.  It's not the conservative policy that will fuck us, it's the everyone can do anything they want to do all the time.

 

Is there any sequence of events after "anarchy" that leads to "peace and prosperity"?

[Mercer]

I'm just against judging America by it's politicians. Fuck politicians. Take them out of the equation and America is still pretty much as fucking awesome as it gets when compared to anywhere else. The artists here, the entrepreneurs, and the people like me here just doing their shit minding their own business. I feel like this side of America (which is the vast majority when compared to the few political fucktards) is still a pretty good example of how to live. Perfect, fuck no. But there are supposedly "shitty" parts of America I'd rather call home than most anyplace else on the planet.

 

Honestly, we know the world is fed up with this Imperialism bullshit, (so am I) but at the same time these same people hating, are still watch our shows, listening to our music, doing our dances, and imitate the better side of our culture without even realizing it. Really think people (in Europe, and Australia especially) have a lot to learn from us. Most places can't seem to integrate new immigrants into their cultures which aren't equipped to handle this. Fact is, many of these cultures looking down their noses at the U.S. are so lame, and even racist themselves, immigrants just don't want to join it. That's why all these immigrants in Europe just adopt their own lame outdated cultural pitfalls, and never integrate. England is a mess, Paris (and especially it's suburbs) are a total fucking loss. I mean try walking around in a Paris suburban ghetto and you'll get what I'm saying here. Now look at these smug Parisians with their own glass houses, throwing rocks at our much more solid structure. All scoring points with each other talking shit on America. It's hilarious from our perspective, and one of the reasons you don't get responses like this one because it's laughable and not worth the time to even address. We're good.

 

We don't have a problem here adopting in other people, and flourishing hard both economically, and culturally because of it. You want to come here and join our workoholic, socially mobile culture you're welcome to. You don't even have to learn English for fucks sake. You can start a "Chinese" restaurant, work 16 hour days and put your kids through Harvard and guess what, you're a real American to most everyone else here. We're more of a meritocracy, and don't give a fuck about the accomplishments of your ancestors, or people that look like you. We're looking at you, as an individual, and judging you by the quality of your contribution and how well you take care of your family. We've been integrating people from all over the world into this supposed "inferior American culture" for a couple of centuries, and evolving at a faster rate as a whole culturally because of it. Cream of the crop.

 

I mean I get it. People are probably tired of hearing about what's happening here, because in a way it's saying the shit happening there isn't that important. I'd rather be the hated on party here, than people touting their own superiority while wallowing in a total messes of a country themselves.  You might be able to point out a thing or two that sucks about America, but Europeans thinking they're better because everyone in their country can receive the same poor quality health care? The only proper response from my perspective is "lol". Most of the hate coming our way is from people who have extremely racist conformist cultures/governments like Australia, or places like England/Ireland/Scotland where they can't seem to figure out if they're in the EU or not, because it's easier to blame immigrants, and America than fixing their own massive integration (not immigration) problems. I might be an Anarchist, but I do know what's good, and god damn 99% of what's here is as good as it gets when compared to anyplace else I've ever been to.

[Dirty_habiT]

Wow @Mercer.... well said man.

 

I believe there should "be no money" in politics.  I am not sure how to navigate that problem however..... it seems to be very challenging to even begin to think about fixing.

 

Fuck yeah man..... I owe you like 2 kegs now probably.  That response was spot on.

 

Do you think that aligns well with the idea of "anarchy" though?  It sounds to me like we got here by having a structure.  I agree with everything you're saying about us being like leaps and bounds ahead in terms evolving as a society.  We've mostly gotten past problems that other countries/nations have been stuck on for a very long time.

 

Just think what could happen over in the middle east if they stopped trying to argue about their religious war?  I don't even know how that could be fixed or how an end could be put to it, but just think if those guys were using that energy to build things and improve life for everyone around them (supporting their families as Mercer put it).  We're not having crazy wars on our borders here.... I mean we have some conflict on our southern border and maybe some illegal shit on the northern border, but for the most part we're not hurling missiles and driving heavy weapons over the line to kill people here. 

 

It's pretty safe here for anyone that is here legally.  Yes, it's hard to get in the best club on the strip.  We're the best club on the strip and it has a long line.  You don't get VIP because you want to get here, and you don't get to sneak in the back door either.  That's the best analogy I have for the wait time to get legalized in the USA.

 

If you don't want to wait, tooooooo fuckinggggg badddddd.  Pound sand, wait, or find some place better (hint: you cannot).

 

  It's pretty easy to make money or get educated here if you apply yourself.  I don't think the same could be said for many countries in the world.

[Mercer]

1 minute ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Wow @Mercer.... well said man.

 

I believe there should "be no money" in politics.  I am not sure how to navigate that problem however..... it seems to be very challenging to even begin to think about fixing.

 

Fuck yeah man..... I owe you like 2 kegs now probably.  That response was spot on.

 

Do you think that aligns well with the idea of "anarchy" though?  It sounds to me like we got here by having a structure.  I agree with everything you're saying about us being like leaps and bounds ahead in terms evolving as a society.  We've mostly gotten past problems that other countries/nations have been stuck on for a very long time.

 

Just think what could happen over in the middle east if they stopped trying to argue about their religious war?  I don't even know how that could be fixed or how an end could be put to it, but just think if those guys were using that energy to build things and improve life for everyone around them (supporting their families as Mercer put it).  We're not having crazy wars on our borders here.... I mean we have some conflict on our southern border and maybe some illegal shit on the northern border, but for the most part we're not hurling missiles and driving heavy weapons over the line to kill people here. 

 

It's pretty safe here for anyone that is here legally.  Yes, it's hard to get in the best club on the strip.  We're the best club on the strip and it has a long line.  You don't get VIP because you want to get here, and you don't get to sneak in the back door either.  That's the best analogy I have for the wait time to get legalized in the USA.

 

If you don't want to wait, tooooooo fuckinggggg badddddd.  Pound sand, wait, or find some place better (hint: you cannot).

 

  It's pretty easy to make money or get educated here if you apply yourself.  I don't think the same could be said for many countries in the world.

 

I mean there's no way we'd be here without everything else we've had, good or bad. I just think all the good qualities I'm talking about have zero with the government encouraging, or allow it to happen. It's a free market of Ideas here, and by free I mean exactly that. We've been adopting traits of other cultures, and building small voluntary communities under the concept of freedom and that also has a lot to do with why we're awesome.

 

I mean I look at the State of Colorado, and the fact everyone here fought their way in one way or another. People took their entire church west with them, and built all these small towns based on their own unique ways of life, and belief systems. Good towns survived, shit towns crumbled, and what we've been left with is a continuation of that process based on people voting with their feet. Choosing the best place to live, and adopting it's customs. It's fucking beautiful here, and the people themselves are not only nice, but hard working, prosperous individuals.

 

None of this is because of the government, it's in spite of the government. Imagine if the wild west was lame, and tame, with zero lawlessness. It's the lack of government oversight, not trying to force every peg including the round ones into a square hole that it's as awesome as it is. This is just my opinion of course, I mean each town/church had it's own rules and such. Anarchy isn't "without rules" it means without rulers and is exactly what freedom is all about. I'd love to see people getting together like they did in the old frontier days, building their own communities, maybe even a 12oz community that sets it's own rules to live by free of government control.

 

This is why I don't mind socialists, racists, or anyone for that matter with a different opinion. I say remove Federal government control, and let the states, then individual towns create their own utopias/dystopias to live in. You want to pool all your money together with strangers and split it, welcome to Socialist town USA. You like crypto, black markets, and home cooked meals? Welcome to Mercer'sville, population 420. You like off grid living, and shooting guns welcome to Raven'swood population 762, or 556 depending on the time of year. You like Trump, grab your golf clubs and buy a nice condo in Maralago, etc. and live your life exactly how you want. Just rather see people living their individual ideal ways of life, as opposed to forcing it on everyone else via a vote. One size doesn't fit all.