mr.yuck Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 @Dirty_habiTthe police have created a monopoly on protection in many states where it is illegal for you to protect yourself. This would be fine if they were capable of protecting you, which they arent. The police spend their days extracting money from innocent, hard working, good people for non violent often paperwork related infractions. I have met and become acquaintances with lots of cops over my life time and they all have the same underlying personality traits; they are garbage human beings. When they let their guard down and feel comfortable with you, the stories they exuberantly tell of how inhumanely and cruelly they treat people has on more than one occasion made me fantasize of grabbing a club and smashing their head in until its paste to save just one future victim. You literally cant be a good cop. Good cops that stop abusive tactics or practices are fired or frozen out. Personal experiences, overhead conversations, and conversations I have directly been a part of: I cant wait to shoot one of these niggers. Lets hang out for a little bit and let the niggers beat each other up and get tired before we show up. A story a family member who was a correctional officer told me. There was a mentally unstable prisoner they had who stripped naked and was becoming agitated. The response to this was to spray him in the face with mace. He used his lunch tray to sheild his face and when he did, he sprayed him in his genitals and then returned to spraying him in his face back and forth. He was lauging while telling the story about how the man was "yelping" in pain during the whole ordeal. For years I lived in an all black neighborhood where I was constantly snatched up by the police and slammed around because they assumed the only reason I was there was to buy drugs. I had some one crash into my enclosed trailer while it was parked on the street. It knocked it about 30 feet down the street and it hooked up into my neighbors yard. When I showed up the police informed me that they were never going to catch who did this because there was no evidence. I picked up several pieces of broken car that was scattered at the point of impact. I googled the serial numbers from the pieces and determined the make, model and year of the car. When I brought this to his attention he looked annoyed and said that if I couldnt remove my trailer from my neighbors yard that they would tow it at my expense. Cops planting fake drugs that were house hold cleaners in nightclub bath rooms just to see who would come out screaming after snorting ajax. Cops that have told me that after 5 years on the force they are lucky if they even show up to work or respond to calls at all. This isnt the type of job where complacency should be tolerated. Im really surprised that cops dont just get snatched up at random, tied to the back of a truck and get drug around town until they die on the regular. I think it has something to do with people being mostly good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Someone explain to me what destroying your community has to do with protest. Why would you loot and destroy businesses in your community? If it’s people from outside the community doing the destroying (as is being reported) why isn’t the community defending their surroundings? I understand the concept of folks seeing opportunity (looting) but once this is all over you’re left with a burned out community that has nothing to offer its residents. Who wants to live in a community that has no businesses to support it? If you owned a business and the community you supported looted and destroyed your business... would you be quick to rebuild in the same location? No cops would be a shit-show. It would be the Wild West out there. Nothing but dead bodies everywhere, every day. No thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 s'cool, International coalition of forces are being arranged to ensure stability and support an environment that will allow a democratic government to be set up https://www.theonion.com/serbia-deploys-peacekeeping-forces-to-u-s-1819565829?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=_twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said: I'm just curious what our America would look like with "no cops". A country where there's accountability because law enforcement is comprised of private citizens, citizens that can be held accountable for their misdeeds, as opposed to a "special class" of people with qualified immunity. Take this case for example, no reasonable human being could deny the fact that what that cop did was an intentional homicide. To feel someone squirming/dying under your weight, and begging for their life for 8.5 minutes like that without letting up, well that takes a special kind of human being. For the other 3 officers that allowed it, and the ones defending it, it takes a special type of conditioning to accept that as a normal part of enforcing laws. Humans (every one of us) has a built in cognitive disconnect that allows us to commit acts of violence, a sort of built in survival instinct the state takes full advantage of in the case of military/law enforcement. I see why the law enforcement system was set up the way it was. We didn't have video cameras everywhere until recently, and every criminal on this planet will/would have accused the police of wrongdoing if they knew it would save their ass. You had to give police the benefit of the doubt 99.9% of the time or risk bogging the system down with dead end investigations police misconduct, and violence for everyone who every piece of shit that simply didn't like being arrested. We're still not past that point fully, and law enforcement needs to operate with some sort of autonomy in order to do their jobs. The conflict here arises from the fact police no longer have to be given the benefit of the doubt because of the way the system is designed to protect them. That cop should have been arrested as soon as the video surfaced. He wasn't, and this is why the system needs a massive overhaul to both continue to protect law enforcement, and the system as a whole from being bogged down in bullshit claims of police violence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd say most of the people on here with IQ's above 100 would agree with most of what I've said so far. At the same time I'd guess less than less than 10% of those people who agree the system is broken, actually have a solution that would make a difference. The fact is, most of us don't think things through with a consistent logic. We just see something we don't like, and emotionally react to these individual situations without having an overall consistency to our plan, or philosophy. Here's how dumb we are: me think police bad, poverty bad, landlord not charge what I like to pay, me don't like my employment options, so destroy Target and situation will improve. There are more sophisticated expressions of this like Social Democrats but it's basically the same thing. They can't offer any viable solutions other than everyone lives under socialist poverty. The only thing they can do is demonize success, (landlord bad, person who earns billion dollars legally bad) and assume punishing people and destroying their own economy will make things fair. Then you have the people who think it will never happen to them and why did that black guy talk back to the officer, he deserved it types. Even dumber. Outside of the meme I regularly post saying take police misconduct settlements out of police pensions etc. I bet there are zero viable solutions presented by thee mainstream types that only start realizing something off after shit like this goes down. My philosophy has a logically consistent set of solution for state violence that starts with a slow, methodical removal of all police interactions: Step 1: No victim = no crime. Drug dealing, gambling, prostitution, and other laws aimed at correcting societal ills that forcing legitimate trades like the "worlds oldest profession" into an underground black market. No sane person would buy their crack/heroin/pussy/bets from a gang, when there's a legit dispensary, or brothel for it. You want to end sex trafficking/slavery, and drug violence, it's super fucking simple. No victim, no crime. Step 2: Slowly begin to enforce rights privately to reduce the immunity of the people enforcing personhood, or property rights. Let's take shoplifting for example, no need to get police and courts involved. Most of the larger chain stores have loss prevention departments with more advanced system of tracking shoplifters, and sharing that information with other stores. Why not allow them to ship shoplifters off to a private prison cutting out the middle man? Granted, they'd better have definitive proof like video on hand to do so, and the private prison shouldn't accept prisoners without some form of proof. Likewise there should be a private recourse system for anyone falsely accused, or imprisoned. Perhaps taking it to a civic court/jury trial if there's a dispute. Step 3: This private accountability can be fine tuned, and eventually expanded to all crimes against property. Burglary, car thefts, fraud, identity theft etc. This is important because anyone caught abusing people's rights in this private system I've just described can be held accountable from the top down. A store can be sued, shareholders might fire the CEO, the CEO can fire a bad loss prevention manager, and a loss prevention manager can fire the people making mistakes watching cameras, and security guards that decide to punch a suspect, etc. You can't get this level of accountability from police departments and city government. Not saying it's perfect, because it for sure won't be, but it will be a huge step up from what we currently have. Step 4: Crimes against person can be approached in much the same way, a slow methodical privatization of enforcement. It starts with accountability, you get yourself a concealed carry permit, and a gun. Now you might be a 5.2 female that weighs 100 lbs. but you've got your equalizer, better yet you can practice, and train with that pistol and never fear being assaulted/raped ever again. I honestly thing people with concealed carry permits need body cams, and should prove there was a threat to themselves present, that they did not instigate, or escalate by their own actions if they end up shooting someone. No bullshit like Zimmerman, or that redneck father and son team that clearly caused the situations themselves where their victims were forced to defend themselves from the aggressors. Maybe every gun gets it's own dash cam, type device, or you have a small body cam on deck when you're strapped. I mean it makes sense. I still need to get a police report in a car accident, but having a dash cam means there's no need to worry about a misinterpretation, and quite frankly I can't imagine driving without one. Placing at least some, if not most of the responsibility for protecting yourself, on yourself, is always the best route. The more responsible you are the less you'll cost to insure, and protect. I could go on forever, and one day I might write a book, but for now I'm simply saying reducing police violence, means reducing police interactions while continuing to fight crime. Plain, and fucking simple. No single entity should enjoy a complete monopoly on all violence like a government. They will abuse it, and protect their own every time, even when it's clear cut cases of abuse caught on camera. We're too urban of a society now, we are no longer living in small villages where everyone knows each other and can exclude bad actors based on reputation. That murderer cop probably had a tons of people that thought he was a great person, before they saw the tape, and there's a million more like him. In today's society a cop will most likely be policing teenagers that in most cases, aren't going to the same high school as their kids. They don't know the kids parents, families etc. A perfect recipe for an "It's an us against them" attitude that goes well beyond simple racism, and involves consistently trending towards police abusing everyone's rights, not just black people's, or poor people's. It's a joke on everyone rights unless you, or your immediate family is a police officer don't expect to exercise them without losing everything else in the process. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said: That's some fuckin tool bag shit man. 😕 We're really showing our ass to the world here and I'm not referring to anything else other than the destruction of our cities. Nothing to do with Floyd or the police at all..... people are literally making one of the most illogical decisions possible. Mob mentality is a real thing. You all want to hear some spicy shit? Floyd would have never encountered the police and had that altercation had he not been doing something illegal. I'm not defending the policeman's actions. What I'm saying is that there is a real easy way to not fuck with the cops and to not be "in danger of a cop killing you 'for no reason'". It's actually super easy. You just don't do illegal shit. GASPPPPP. I know that is going to come as a shock to many reading due to the nature of which we're all gathered here today. I have not been a stranger, in the past, to doing illegal shit but the destruction of your own cities is deplorable. No dignity. And the police aren’t under mob mentality? Or even worse, blindly following orders under a mob mentality? Dont half ass your statements with this “I’m not defending the policeman’s actions,” because you did just that. What you said is “well if he didn’t commit a petty crime he wouldn’t have been murdered.” (Well maybe if the little girl didn’t wear a tank top and short-shorts and look attractive to that pedophile he wouldn’t have raped her..) The logic is fucking nonsense. If the police didn’t commit an assault and wildly unjustified murder there wouldn’t be rioting across the country right now. It’s that simple. America still is the Wild West, but “justice” is only for a specific group of people. Cops, politicians, and rich folk commit crimes with impunity all the time. They are supposed to be the gold standard model citizen and yet many are criminals with a license to do as they please. This doesn’t have to be grand scale criminal activity. Something as simple as letting fellow cops slide with DUIs is a privilege not afforded to the rest of us. Sure every now and then a cop, a politician, or some rich twat goes down for a crime, but is it the system working? Or is it the system insuring it’s own crooked functionality by offering a sacrificial lamb? I’m standing by the latter. Edited May 31, 2020 by abrasivesaint 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Police responding to protests about police brutality Edited May 31, 2020 by Hua Guofang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said: Police responding to protests about police brutality What a fucking mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said: Police responding to protests about police brutality Ohhh baby that big cop yelling “what are you gonna do” boiled my fucking blood. Fucking coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Trump is out there now trying to frame this all as ANTIFA. The problem, other than that he is obviously trying to do a snow job in the run up to the election, but it also completely undermines the reason for the protests (majority of which is actually peaceful but the news is focused on the violence) and makes dealing with the problem of police brutality harder again..., making future and worse protests more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said: Ohhh baby that big cop yelling “what are you gonna do” boiled my fucking blood. Fucking coward. Running that chick down with the horse and the cars driving into the crowd in NYC (same actions was labeled as an act of terror in Charlottesville) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: One of those extreme left agitators from out of town, no doubt: This bitch said "lieberry ." I'm starting to buy into this anti media hype.... /s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, Joker said: Someone explain to me what destroying your community has to do with protest. Why would you loot and destroy businesses in your community? If it’s people from outside the community doing the destroying (as is being reported) why isn’t the community defending their surroundings? They are, granted it's not everyone but there are people against police brutality, and against theft, the two positions aren't mutually exclusive, and are in fact completely compatible: 23 minutes ago, Joker said: I understand the concept of folks seeing opportunity (looting) but once this is all over you’re left with a burned out community that has nothing to offer its residents. Who wants to live in a community that has no businesses to support it? If you owned a business and the community you supported looted and destroyed your business... would you be quick to rebuild in the same location? The people effected will assume that it's "systemic racism" when they need to take a 30 minute bus ride later to buy groceries, hence this never ending cycle that feeds itself from both sides. This is going to be one of the greatest achievements of this next generation who I think has the willpower to address this properly. Nothing against us gen x'rs, but we haven't made a single step forward in this arena, and it's only gotten worse during our time in my opinion. 23 minutes ago, Joker said: No cops would be a shit-show. It would be the Wild West out there. Nothing but dead bodies everywhere, every day. No thanks. Addressed this in a previous post in here on the last page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qawee Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 10:13 AM, Hua Guofang said: Interesting twist? this turned out to be false, a local news station looked at the jail records and most had addresses in minnesota. this is typical "outside agitators" shit that they use time and time again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Qawee said: this turned out to be false, a local news station looked at the jail records and most had addresses in minnesota. this is typical "outside agitators" shit that they use time and time again Yep, saw that too. gives them a way to ignore what the protesters are calling for if they imply the protests are illegitimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It's a PR battle, and chaos, and it always has been. Some are more organized than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KILZ FILLZ Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 These ROTC kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 lol @KILZ FILLZ, was just looking at that: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Nigga got himself OK Boomer'd Edited May 31, 2020 by Mercer The last one of the car getting fucked up with the street fighter two music is better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 LOL @ street fighter effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 24 minutes ago, KILZ FILLZ said: These ROTC kids? My guess is those are tiny ass females. POG NG units are the worst military units our nation has to offer, but the idea that those non-PT test passing REMFs are "defending the constitution and the rule of law" that they swore to uphold (just like the pigs...) is laughable at best. ALL those sheriffs, military personnel, etc that swore to not uphold any red flag laws are demonstrating just how full of shit they are. There is an entire constitution, not just a second amendment at hand. /hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 worth the read--sort of a collection of much of the zany shit already posted and some I hadn't yet seen. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/31/21276044/police-violence-protest-george-floyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Edited May 31, 2020 by Mercer oof'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KILZ FILLZ Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I was expecting to see the vaults clearly outlined, but nah. there were a ton of citizens out cleaning debris, boarding windows of business and buffing the anti cop graf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Mercer said: It's a PR battle, and chaos, and it always has been. Some are more organized than others. Be careful assuming who this guy is and why he’s doing it. He could be cop, antifa, white nationalist, an individual or anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Maybe he just had a hearing aid and unicorn farts in his backpack too @Hua Guofang we may never know the truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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