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I’m not buying that bullshit at all. 
 

1.) Blind Patriotism is about as unAmerican as it gets. Loving and being willing to die to defend your homeland is much different than buying into and supporting every ounce of bullshit you’re force fed by your politicians, on either side of the aisle.
 

Since WWII just about every war if not every war we’ve been involved in turned out to be founded on lies from our government. So he can get fucked with that.
 

We watch our government fail us time and again when we need them the most. 
 

2.) Religion may give some people hope for when they die or whatever, but as far as values, it’s largely horse shit. Religion wants you to fall in line and do as your told. Many hard religious people i’ve met are some of the most unforgiving judgmental cunts i’ve ever met. Others can be very kind, but the bunch gets spoiled by a bad apple. 
 

If a guy walked around today saying he is God’s son and to heed his words 99.99% of the population would tell him “get fucked, whacko.” Yet for some reason they believe this dude from 2000 years ago was telling the truth because he claimed it all the way to his crucifixion. It’s a cult, it’s just a very large, widely accepted cult.

 

3.) Nobody is getting married anymore because people have watched marriage after marriage fail. It’s something like 40% of marriages fail. If a boat sank, or an airplane crashed 40% of the time you got on one, you probably wouldn’t be getting on many boats or planes.
 

People also watch divorce devastate most men. They get absolutely robbed of half their shit, the house, the kids, the money.. If 40% of business deals ended in you getting fucked over you wouldn’t want to make very many business deals. 
 

What the fuck does the youth have to look forward to?

- Decades of debt for trying to do the “right thing” by going to school. 

- Buying houses in areas that they one day won’t be able to afford living in anymore because that’s how “progress” works.

- Getting married and having children to roll the dice on an ugly divorce.

- Having to work long hours or multiple jobs to stay afloat. 

- Going off to war to defend poppy fields and oil fields. Killing innocent people and having to live with that. Realizing that in the end the only thing that seems to have truly changed is the size of someone else's bank account, while you struggle to deal with your mortgage and medical bills.. 

 

People are unhappy because our institutions are lies, and are failing. Blind faith isn’t cutting it anymore. 

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On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

I’m not buying that bullshit at all. 
 

1.) Blind Patriotism is about as unAmerican as it gets. Loving and being willing to die to defend your homeland is much different than buying into and supporting every ounce of bullshit you’re force fed by your politicians, on either side of the aisle.

But only one side of the isle is force feeding the bullshit.  I wouldn't try to level both sides together because they're very far from the same.  One is deplorable, the other believes in hard work, less government, earn what you have, guns, and shut up if you don't have something constructive to say.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

We watch our government fail us time and again when we need them the most. 

Not sure what our government has done to fail you.  Please start a new thread if there's so much to talk about in that area because in this one we're just focusing on staying woke.  It sounds like there would be lots of material to discuss so I encourage you to make that thread of how we've been failed by our government.  I'd be happy to participate.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

2.) Religion may give some people hope for when they die...... 

"Some" aka, most people in the world.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

Religion wants you to fall in line and do as your told. Many hard religious people i’ve met are some of the most unforgiving judgmental cunts i’ve ever met. Others can be very kind, but the bunch gets spoiled by a bad apple. 

If you judge all people based on what some people do then that would be the same thing as being "racist" right?  Are you saying you're "racist" against religious people?  Asking for a friend.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

If a guy walked around today saying he is God’s son and to heed his words 99.99% of the population would tell him “get fucked, whacko.”

If someone walked around doing that today they'd be a liar and it'd be very obvious.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

Yet for some reason they believe this dude from 2000 years ago was telling the truth because he claimed it all the way to his crucifixion. It’s a cult, it’s just a very large, widely

accepted cult.

You just said that most people would say "get fucked" signifying that that most people don't believe in religion.  So do most people not believe or is it a "widely accepted cult"?  Seems you've have done yourself a mischief in the span of 2 sentences.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

3.) Nobody is getting married anymore because people have watched marriage after marriage fail. It’s something like 40% of marriages fail.

Marriages fail because people are bad at personal relationships.  They get together because they want to get their dick wet or their muffin smashed.  These are not reasons to be with someone long term.  People willing to have sex are common, people willing to work together for a lifetime on the challenges that you face in growing old are not common.  It's way more difficult than getting a tinder date.  Marriages fail because people are retards.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

If a boat sank, or an airplane crashed 40% of the time you got on one, you probably wouldn’t be getting on many boats or planes.

Marriage isn't life/death.  Dying on a boat or plane is life/death.  Even though people are retarded, they're not "that" retarded.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

People also watch divorce devastate most men.

Well that's just a tad sexist.  Racism towards the religious and sexist towards women in the same post, definitely on a role.  I'm glad this thread is about being woke or you may have just slid that one in on everyone reading.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

They get absolutely robbed of half their shit, the house, the kids, the money..

That's why you shouldn't marry someone just because they have a vagina you like or they diddle your b hole while giving you an hj.  Poor decision making leads to poor outcomes.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.  Don't expect any sympathy from me.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

If 40% of business deals ended in you getting fucked over you wouldn’t want to make very many business deals. 

That's an odd/pessimistic way to look at "business deals".  Typically businessmen don't look at "deals" as "fucking someone over" vs. "getting fucked over."  I know a lot about business actually and it generally involves coming to amicable agreements that benefit both parties.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

What the fuck does the youth have to look forward to?

Not a lot.  Most of them are incapable and spineless.  Whiney brats that don't want to do work.  Throwing temper tantrums easily.  Emotionally volatile.  Incels, etc.  This is a lack of good parenting at play..... and is what happens when people that don't know how to be successful adults have children.  They're not capable of teaching children how to be successful adults because they don't know themselves.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

- Decades of debt for trying to do the “right thing” by going to school. 

Nobody makes you enroll in school.  It's the leftist society that pushes people that way so that they can continue collecting that sweet pay check from school debt while indoctrinating more lesbian dance class majors into their socialist way of thinking.  I have no school debt and I make more than most people that have school debt, but this isn't about me.... and I'm not the only person in the USA like myself.  There are MANY many more.... but they won't talk to people about it that don't shut up about how miserable their life is.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

- Buying houses in areas that they one day won’t be able to afford living in anymore because that’s how “progress” works.

Don't purchase in a market you don't understand.  This is the same as going into school debt without understanding the implications of doing so.  "Progress" is a "progressive" idea in society.  There are plenty of people that don't like the definition of "progress" that you hold to be true and will actively work against it.  I, unfortunately, do not live in a city like that.  I live in hippy ass progress town full of people complaining about the cost of living.... because they're in debt and can't afford to be here on their tiddly wink bar tending job.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

- Getting married and having children to roll the dice on an ugly divorce.

Or.... you know not getting married, having children and having that ugly one parent house hold.  If you're afraid of bad things in life you will not get much done.  I call it being a chicken shit, I don't pull any punches on people that i can tell are obvious chicken shits.  I've encouraged several close friends to stop thinking and acting in this manner and watched them improve in life as a result.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

- Having to work long hours or multiple jobs to stay afloat. 

There's this thing that I feel like everyone kinda knows.... called work smarter, not harder.  Labor jobs require someone to work harder.  Service jobs require someone to work harder.  It should not be your aspiration to work in those areas if you don't desire to work long hours for little money.  Working there is a choice you made, immaturely, when you decided to get into that profession you knew nothing about as an adult by agreeing to that school debt as a child.  Thanks "society".

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

- Going off to war to defend poppy fields and oil fields.

Get off the gas.  My brother went to war to defend our country and it had nothing to do with oil or heroine.  Period.  You owe people in the service an apology for being so ungrateful for what they've done for you.  You act like living here in USA is "free".  It is not.  Freedom comes at a great cost, you just haven't had to pay for it yourself in that regard.  You should have some respect for those that have instead of trivializing what they've done like it's some political agenda or for drug lords.  Most all of it is.... not.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

Killing innocent people and having to live with that.

War isn't about killing innocent people.  You sound like the kind of hippies that call service men and women "baby killers" and spit on them in public.  Nasty fucks are what they are.  Who spits on their fellow countrymen?

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

Realizing that in the end the only thing that seems to have truly changed is the size of someone else's bank account, while you struggle to deal with your mortgage and medical bills.. People are unhappy because our institutions are lies, and are failing.

"Our institutions"?  Speak for yourself.  They ain't my institutions.  Remember "not my president"?  Except.... this actually fits because I don't use the institutions you're referring to.... and plenty of other people agree with me and don't either.

 

On 3/9/2020 at 2:40 AM, abrasivesaint said:

Blind faith isn’t cutting it anymore. 

According to you, it never did, and that is ok.  You can be forgiven still but it will require a big attitude change on your part.  You'll have to stop hating people because they don't think like you do.  Life is a lot easier when you don't act like chicken little and the sky is falling.  The sky isn't falling.... everything's fine.  Just do work and worry about yourself, that's how you can get ahead.  Worrying about other people is just a way to be stressed out and feel powerless as is very evident in how you talk about things.  I wish you the best life you can possibly have sir.

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10 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said:

But only one side of the isle is force feeding the bullshit.  I wouldn't try to level both sides together because they're very far from the same.  One is deplorable, the other believes in hard work, less government, earn what you have, guns, and shut up if you don't have something constructive to say.

This is blind faith in your party. You parrot cliche terms and talking points from FOX news, (i.e. “deplorables.”) Many left leaning people also believe in earning what you have, dont let your media outlets confuse You. 
 

As far as shutting up if you don’t have something constructive to say, you are just as guilty of this as i am or anyone else, including your party and it’s media. Some of the articles and videos you posted have snide insults and terminology that is unnecessary. You have an incredibly hard time seeing the faults and hypocrisy of your own side of the aisle my friend. 
 

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Not sure what our government has done to fail you.  Please start a new thread if there's so much to talk about in that area because in this one we're just focusing on staying woke.  It sounds like there would be lots of material to discuss so I encourage you to make that thread of how we've been failed by our government.  I'd be happy to participate.

Really man.. You’re in the News section, much of this is about the government and it’s failures. 
 

I’m going to chalk this up as being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative and move on. 

 

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If you judge all people based on what some people do then that would be the same thing as being "racist" right?  Are you saying you're "racist" against religious people?  Asking for a friend.

It would be stereotyping. I have no hatred towards religious people. I think believing Jesus Christ was the son of God, or in Allah, or God, Brahma, Odin, L Ron Hubbard, Zeus, or the Sun is a silly endeavor but if you choose to spend time and thoughts that way, go for it. 
 

Certain principles of religions are an entirely different matter, and if someone is using aspects of their religion to enforce their will on non-believers, then that i certainly have issue with.  

 

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 If someone walked around doing that today they'd be a liar and it'd be very obvious.

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You just said that most people would say "get fucked" signifying that that most people don't believe in religion.  So do most people not believe or is it a "widely accepted cult"?  Seems you've have done yourself a mischief in the span of 2 sentences.

I cant seem to type between these 2 so..

 

I didn’t signify most people don’t believe in religion. I said the vast majority wouldn’t believe someone today that claimed they were Jesus Christ, or the son of God. Much like you just did by saying they’d be a liar and its obvious without having seen any evidence this person would present, yet you’re telling them they’re lying. But again, the written words of a person from 2000 years ago that have been translated and rewritten are ironclad proof? 
 

I haven’t “done a mischief” to myself. You’re misunderstanding my words. 
 


 

 

Before i go any further, understand i’m calm as a cucumber right now. I’m not angry and i’m not trying to be insulting. Carrying on.. 

 

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Marriages fail because people are bad at personal relationships.  They get together because they want to get their dick wet or their muffin smashed.  These are not reasons to be with someone long term.  People willing to have sex are common, people willing to work together for a lifetime on the challenges that you face in growing old are not common.  It's way more difficult than getting a tinder date.  Marriages fail because people are retards. 

 

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Marriage isn't life/death.  Dying on a boat or plane is life/death.  Even though people are retarded, they're not "that" retarded.

You’re missing the analogy. Maybe it was a poor analogy on my part, but so be it. 
 

I’m also not going to dive into the “sometimes things dont work out and love isn’t enough,” talk. 

 

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Well that's just a tad sexist.  Racism towards the religious and sexist towards women in the same post, definitely on a role.  I'm glad this thread is about being woke or you may have just slid that one in on everyone reading.

I’m not being sexist, it’s pretty clear throughout court history that women are often favored in divorces where no prenuptial agreement has been signed. Especially when children are involved. 

 

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That's why you shouldn't marry someone just because they have a vagina you like or they diddle your b hole while giving you an hj.  Poor decision making leads to poor outcomes.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.  Don't expect any sympathy from me.

LOL’d at hand job-butt diddling. 

 

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That's an odd/pessimistic way to look at "business deals".  Typically businessmen don't look at "deals" as "fucking someone over" vs. "getting fucked over."  I know a lot about business actually and it generally involves coming to amicable agreements that benefit both parties.

Misunderstanding my words. The point was if there were statistics showing that 40% of business deals ended in that deal being a failure, people would be more weary of making many business deals. 
 

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Not a lot.  Most of them are incapable and spineless.  Whiney brats that don't want to do work.  Throwing temper tantrums easily.  Emotionally volatile.  Incels, etc.  This is a lack of good parenting at play..... and is what happens when people that don't know how to be successful adults have children.  They're not capable of teaching children how to be successful adults because they don't know themselves.

You’re stereotyping a generation, and their parents, the way you accused me of stereotyping religious people. 

 

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Nobody makes you enroll in school.  It's the leftist society that pushes people that way so that they can continue collecting that sweet pay check from school debt while indoctrinating more lesbian dance class majors into their socialist way of thinking.  I have no school debt and I make more than most people that have school debt, but this isn't about me.... and I'm not the only person in the USA like myself.  There are MANY many more.... but they won't talk to people about it that don't shut up about how miserable their life is.

Ya.. because only Democrats are pushed through college, and benefit off further education.. 

 

You often cite yourself as an example in your arguments my man, i’d hate to be the bearer of bad news. 

 

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Don't purchase in a market you don't understand.  This is the same as going into school debt without understanding the implications of doing so.  "Progress" is a "progressive" idea in society.  There are plenty of people that don't like the definition of "progress" that you hold to be true and will actively work against it.  I, unfortunately, do not live in a city like that.  I live in hippy ass progress town full of people complaining about the cost of living.... because they're in debt and can't afford to be here on their tiddly wink bar tending job.

Understanding how the market works and being able to successfully predict the future are quite different things. 
 

 

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Or.... you know not getting married, having children and having that ugly one parent house hold.  If you're afraid of bad things in life you will not get much done.  I call it being a chicken shit, I don't pull any punches on people that i can tell are obvious chicken shits.  I've encouraged several close friends to stop thinking and acting in this manner and watched them improve in life as a result.

Well the people whose marriages ended in divorce weren’t afraid of bad things happening now were they? Yet they did. Nobody can predict the future. 

 

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There's this thing that I feel like everyone kinda knows.... called work smarter, not harder.  Labor jobs require someone to work harder.  Service jobs require someone to work harder.  It should not be your aspiration to work in those areas if you don't desire to work long hours for little money.  Working there is a choice you made, immaturely, when you decided to get into that profession you knew nothing about as an adult by agreeing to that school debt as a child.  Thanks "society".

Implying that a service job and working a manual labor job are one in the same by being that they are immature decisions that result in little money is a pretty silly statement. 
 

Last i checked construction work, especially union construction work, can make a pretty penny for themselves. 

 

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Get off the gas.  My brother went to war to defend our country and it had nothing to do with oil or heroine.  Period.  You owe people in the service an apology for being so ungrateful for what they've done for you.  You act like living here in USA is "free".  It is not.  Freedom comes at a great cost, you just haven't had to pay for it yourself in that regard.  You should have some respect for those that have instead of trivializing what they've done like it's some political agenda or for drug lords.  Most all of it is.... not.

I never said living in this society came at no cost. I understand that theoretically by bringing the fight to the Middle East we’ve kept any more serious attacks from taking place on American soil. I understand this is why our soldiers largely go off to fight in defense of our country.. 
 

I also understand that the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were bullshit, and Iraq has some of the largest oil fields in the world. Afghanistan is one of the largest producers of opium in the world. These being 2 MAJOR money makers for American industries, i can’t just assume this is coincidence. Call me crazy. 
 

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War isn't about killing innocent people.  You sound like the kind of hippies that call service men and women "baby killers" and spit on them in public.  Nasty fucks are what they are.  Who spits on their fellow countrymen?

I never said it was. Sadly they are “collateral damage” of any wars, not just ours. 


I’m no hippie, and i would not spit on a solider.
 

According to what you’ve said in another post we aren’t a team, so why all the sudden are we countrymen? 

 

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"Our institutions"?  Speak for yourself.  They ain't my institutions.  Remember "not my president"?  Except.... this actually fits because I don't use the institutions you're referring to.... and plenty of other people agree with me and don't either.

You post a video about a man talking about why people are abandoning “American” institutions and this is why they are unhappy, defend those institutions when i question them and say they are failing, (exactly what you’re doing in this post i’m responding to,) and then say they are not your institutions.. 

 

..Alright, right on..

 

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According to you, it never did, and that is ok.  You can be forgiven still but it will require a big attitude change on your part.  You'll have to stop hating people because they don't think like you do.  Life is a lot easier when you don't act like chicken little and the sky is falling.  The sky isn't falling.... everything's fine.  Just do work and worry about yourself, that's how you can get ahead. 

No, i said it isn’t cutting it ANYMORE. Once upon a time blind faith did work. it was called the American Dream, and we’re back to square one. 

 

I don’t hate people because they don’t think like me. Every church or mosque i pass has some different beliefs than i do, i don’t hate them, i disagree with them. 
 

and I’m doing just fine with “doing work” and “getting ahead,” thanks for the concern. 
 

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Worrying about other people is just a way to be stressed out and feel powerless as is very evident in how you talk about things.

This is the most accurate thing you said. I get concerned about the world i live in, and it’s people. Excuse the fuck out of me. Haha. 
 

For the record: still as cool as a cucumber, still not mad. 

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^^ You forgot the "worry about yourself" part.  Saying "excuse the fuck out of me.... haha." And, "i'm cool as a cucumber" sounds like someone giving themselves a little pep talk.

 

You seem to think I misunderstood you a whole lot ..... I'd ask what it feels like to be misunderstood but given my propensity to just worry about myself I'm not sure I'd care too much what the answer is.  Being misunderstood isn't a way I like to spend my time.

 

Let's get back to focusing on the wokeness instead of being dismissive like I didn't understand everything you said just the way you said it.

 

Feel free to open a discussion thread if you'd like about all of our government's failures to do things the way you think they should be done and we can talk more there.

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1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

You seem to think I misunderstood you a whole lot ..... I'd ask what it feels like to be misunderstood but given my propensity to just worry about myself I'm not sure I'd care too much what the answer is.  Being misunderstood isn't a way I like to spend my time.

 

Let's get back to focusing on the wokeness instead of being dismissive like I didn't understand everything you said just the way you said it.

I didn’t dismiss anything, i defended my stances of what you are now deflecting. 

 

If by wokeness you mean confining yourself to your own rigid ideology just as the “woke” people you mock do, have at it.  I’ll still be here worried about your wokeness. 

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Ahh.  The name is sort of misleading, the markets are called 'wet' because they sell you animals that aren't dead yet.  They'll butcher and prepare it for you, and yes a lot of the time will sell you something completely shocking.  And they're not taboo there.  There was crackdown on them after the SARS scare, but slowly the regulations relaxed and here we are again.

 

And if you think that's bad wait until you hear about gutter oil. 

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Holy shit, I just looked it up..... it' fucked up because gutter oil is not being used "on purpose" and collected by people that are cooking with it.  They're simply "making better profits" with their food business by paying for oil that costs about half the price.  Problem is, that oil is collected and "refined" literally from man hole lids with scoops and buckets.  LITERALLY scooping that shit out of the sewer, collecting it, heating it, straining it, and mixing it with other reclaimed animal fats.  The taste/appearance is apparently not distinguishable from clean properly produced oil.

 

I'm fucking beside myself.  THIS kind of shit right here is exactly why China has to deal with the kind of problems they do..... unfortunately this time it has affected the rest of the world as well.  I'm over this shit.  We need to produce our own drugs here in USA, we need to do everything in USA and stop relying on bargain basement bottom of the barrel bullshit that china offers.

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