Good news for Bernie Sanders supporters (and people like myself hoping for an economic collapse)

[Dirty_habiT]

Lol, is there a virtual bowling game to play somewhere that I don't know about yet?

[Kults]

https://www.gamesgames.com/games/bowling

[Hua Guofang]

On 12/29/2019 at 5:35 PM, Hua Guofang said:

Had no idea where else to post this but thought that it followed a trend of the original post.

 

I know people who work for the org that did the research and it's not as crazy right wing as the name of it sounds - they do legit work. I know y'all in here think I'm left because I'm not a Trump supporter and am not allergic to anything that looks like socialism, but that's your bias, not mine. I've worked with these people in the past and support what they do. This is scary reading to me:

 

 

More than a third of millennials polled approve of communism

 

Published: Nov 2, 2019 11:07 a.m. ET

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-millennials-socialism-and-communism-are-hot-capitalism-is-not-2019-10-28?mod=newsviewer_click&link=sfmw_tw

ShawnLanglois

Social-media editor

 

Somewhere, Bernie Sanders is smiling.

 

A new survey released by the Washington, D.C., nonprofit Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation reflects that, if the younger generation gets out and votes in 2020, those running for office on the far left have reason to be hopeful.

 

‘The historical amnesia about the dangers of communism and socialism is on full display in this year’s report.’ Marion Smith, executive director of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation

 

 

According to YouGov, which conducted the poll, capitalism, amid a widening divide between the haves and have-nots, has plunged in popularity from a year ago, with one out of every two millennials — ages 23 to 38 — supporting it.

 

 

Meanwhile, 36% of millennials polled say that they approve of communism, which is up significantly from 28% in 2018.

 

 

 

Socialism, a dirty word to the president and many of his supporters, has shown a decrease in favorability in all age groups except the Silent Generation (age 74+) and millennials, of which 70% say they’d be likely to vote for a socialist candidate.

 

 

Marion Smith, executive director of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, says he’s troubled by the findings of the poll.

 

 

“The historical amnesia about the dangers of communism and socialism is on full display in this year’s report,” Smith said in a statement on Monday. “When we don’t educate our youngest generations about the historical truth of 100 million victims murdered at the hands of communist regimes over the past century, we shouldn’t be surprised at their willingness to embrace Marxist ideas.”

 

 

Other nuggets from the report include that 22% of millennials believe “society would be better if all private property was abolished,” and that 45% of Generation Z members and millennials believe that “all higher education should be free.”

 

 

 

As for the biggest threat to world peace, 27% across every generation pointed a finger at President Trump, while 22% named North Korea’s Kim Jong-Un and 15% picked Russia’s Vladimir Putin.

 

 

Garry Kasparov

 

@Kasparov63

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7h

 

It's nice they have opinions about communism now, because once you're living in it you don't get to have an opinion about it anymore.

[Mercer]

I'd say realistically it's Xi that's the biggest threat to world peace. To be more accurate it's the CCP who'd just appoint another tater dick, you'd have to eliminate both the CCP and Xi to eliminate the threat.

[Hua Guofang]

CCP/Xi Jinping

Kim Jong Un

Iranian theocracy

Putin

Modi

Trump

 

That's my list of some of the most dangerous in the next decade:

 

CCP/Xi because of all the things we've seen so far

 

Kim Jong Un because there's no way he's giving up the nukes and once he has a demonstrated power the people of DPRK will expect an increase in life quality as the leadership won't be able to blame foriegn powers for their situation anymore (as in, that's what the nukes were supposed to fix for them)

 

The Iranian theocracy have solidified their position in Syria and now they have to negotiate that existence with Russia. They'll try and solidify their position in Lebanon to keep that arc from the Med to the Gulf and the Sunni powers like KSA will push back

 

Putin, because he is still on the back foot in Ukraine and the Baltics and China is pushing into Central Asia. Putin benifits from the destabilisation within the EU and the emergence of nationalism/right wing parties and the instability in the US and he may consolidate on that in the coming years and use that opportunity to make moves on the ground pushing Russia's sphere of influence back out again.

 

Modi has shown his nationalistic core with his identity card. You all are probably not aware of what is going on there (hasn't really been in the mainstream news) but the nationalists are on the march - literally (check the pic), there have been large violent demonstrations and things are getting messy. He has also unilaterally changed the situation in KAshmir and JAmmu and put that place on lockdown for months (I mean daily curfews, violent crackdowns, cut the internet and phones off from outside the region, etc).

 

These are the nationalists that have been marching in their thousands recently

 

 

The fact that they march with big sticks should tell everything.

 

 

And lastly, Trump. I don't think he's a huge risk of doing big moves in other countries as he campaigned against foreign adventures. My concern is that he's willing to destabilise society in the US to hold on to power. The claims of coups are all designed to whip up the reactionary elements of society as a threat against removing him from power, whether it be constitutionally or not. That is very, very dangerous considering how armed and angry some elements are in the US and the amount of media manipulation there is in the landscape from less scrupulous folk. I'm also not convinced that there is no connection between the current rhetoric in the US and hate crimes. I don't say that Trump is responsible for this but the political rhetoric around these days seems to be invigorating the crazies (Charlottesville was a good example). That usually creates a similar reaction from targeted groups.

 

That's about as far off topic as I can take it!

 

[Mercer]

I'm interested in Kim Jong Un making that list. I really don't think of him as a threat (realistically) so much as a major annoyance. Sure, he's able to split atoms and has some medium range missiles. The bigger picture here is there's a definite line he won't cross because he knows, once the war ball starts rolling it spells certain death of him and his regime. Sure, he'll probably destroy Seoul, and might even take Tokyo out, but in the end he's got way more to lose than anyone else and he knows it. I'd almost love to see a surprise pre-emptive all out strike and see how lucky we can get.

[Hua Guofang]

He may be obliterated once he touches the US/JApan/Seoul, but he's already killed a couple of million people before he dies.

 

That's something the leaders of those countries can't accept. And sure, he's unlikely to do it because he's not stupid. But would you want to be the leader who got that one wrong? The risk of being wrong is too high to take a chance on so that means he gains leverage.

 

The play is to split the US off from ROK and possibly JApan. Pyongyang and China are hoping that the US makes a deal to make the homeland safe whilst abandoning East Asian allies. The strategy is to make a device that's deliverable to CONUS (ICBM/warhead), which they've likely done. And then negotiate an agreement with the US that sees DPRK trash their ICBMs, making the US safe, in return for US troops out of ROK.

 

ROK will effectively be abandoned by the US - the end of ROKUS - and will be forced to negotiate with the North from a disadvantage. That's the very basic play and why All of the US allies, including Australia, are very nervous as Trump uses foreign policy for personal gain in Ukraine. We worry that if he's going to sell out a frontline country in one region that he can do it in another. If he does that in East Asia it's game over, the whole alliance system crumbles and China takes a fucking gigantic leap forward. It would change the world as Japan would go nuclear, Taiwan would flip out, Australia would consider nukes and you'd see a nuclear cascade around the world.

 

"America first" in foreign policy is not good for America.

 

America's foreign policy has always put America first, the current system is set up precisely in America's interests. The Trump admin plays on the complexity of it and makes out that the US is being played by partner countries. It's not, the US is the biggest beneficiary from the post-WWII system.

[abrasivesaint]

On 12/27/2019 at 10:03 AM, Hua Guofang said:

@Mercer

 

I think if there are Sanders supporters here they probably wouldn't speak up because of the inevitable pile ons they'd receive for being 'supporters of socialist dictators' and whatnot.

I think this is a big point to be made in elections. Many argue Trumps poll numbers prior to his election favored Clinton because most feared to admit they were voting for Trump. That, or they claimed Johnson and would swing Trump. I think the amount of people that have lost faith in Trump is larger than people think. I also think if it’s Sanders-Trump, Trump is fucked. Any other candidate and i’d give it to Trump though. 
 

All of the above is excluding the repercussions of current events.

 

edit: this isnt saying i’m voting for Bernie, and if AOC is his VP (I havent kept close tabs) I am concerned and change my opinion, haha. 
 

Bernie/Tulsi would be a good mix. If you’ve ever listened to Bernie outside of a rally or tv show 45 second blurb he’s not as wild as he comes off, he’s fairly reasonable. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by abrasivesaint

[Mercer]

@abrasivesaintI agreed with most of that until you assumed Bernie's platform/position is different from AOC even slightly, or that Bernie and Tulsi would ever work together considering the massive gap in platform/policy they have.