abrasivesaint Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Yes, definitely a thought that’s crossed my mind. However, I saw some “polling numbers” recently and Trump was getting smashed by Biden in every group of people except white men between like 47-65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Schnitzel said: Does anybody think the media is whipping up the hate for trump and the youth all going nuts thinking there's no way he can get back in might be leading people to assume he can't win? in the last australian election it was universally decided the libs had no chance but in they got because we were all too excited about them not getting elected we didn't stop to ask the other who they were voting for? OR is there a possibility he'll go out? I just assumed we'd have another four years of the world's finest countries being run by one of the world's most insincere egomaniacs Given the way Trump is acting he's also worried about losing. He's already started claiming that the elections is going to be rigged against him. PEople confident of winning don't accuse the other side of cheating. Polls aren't looking good for him right now, but I also warn against taking them too seriously. His response to the protests and riots only appealed to those that are already rusted on Trump supporters, same with his approach to CV19. He's done little to nothing to try and win more people to his side, instead, as Mattis said, he's been trying to divide the electorate even more. As a famous WWII general is claimed to have said, "I don't like paying twice for the same patch of real estate", which is what Trump seems to be doing. He's only really appealing to his hardcore base, which is weird, because they're going to vote for him anyway. He should be trying to win more people over, not convince the already certain. Still a long time before Nov 3, though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 This is real, here's the link to the campaign shop where you can purchase it: https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/america-first-tee-1 The resemblance is clearly no coincidence and is set to appeal to a certain segment of his base: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Saw that. Fucking ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KILZ FILLZ Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Came here to post that same exact shit! These fools ain’t I even trying to hide anymore. Fuck nazis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 How the fuck does a black dude assist in promoting an ideology that wants to eradicate him?! ^^^ Anyway...., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 This goes to what I've been pointing towards (maybe in other threads) in that Trump is not the problem, he's the result of having a problem. Populists and Demagogues can only arise when the circumstances are permissive. The big kick up for the US came after things in Iraq really turned to shit - 2006 was the real depth of combat and losses - and then accelerated after 2008 with the GFC. A number of folk who analyse these issues suggest that the bailout of many of the organisations responsible for the GFC and the bonuses for the CEOs who headed those organisations - instead of prosecution - was the final nail. It confirmed that the elite had separated from the governed and that it only supported its own perpetuation. The Australian uptick came about when political parties began replacing leaders mid-term, which happened something like six times by both parties. The UK was Brexit, unsure what's going on in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kults Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: unsure what's going on in Canada. still as cucked as ever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) that's a freaky pic. Edited July 7, 2020 by Hua Guofang 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndv Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 5:28 PM, KILZ FILLZ said: Came here to post that same exact shit! These fools ain’t I even trying to hide anymore. Fuck nazis My Dad wears this Tshirt that is very similar, however, it is a little different in design, every time I glance at it, it reminds me of USSR. It's weird. I'll try to snap a photo of it and post here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) On 7/7/2020 at 10:27 PM, Hua Guofang said: This goes to what I've been pointing towards (maybe in other threads) in that Trump is not the problem, he's the result of having a problem. Populists and Demagogues can only arise when the circumstances are permissive. The big kick up for the US came after things in Iraq really turned to shit - 2006 was the real depth of combat and losses - and then accelerated after 2008 with the GFC. A number of folk who analyse these issues suggest that the bailout of many of the organisations responsible for the GFC and the bonuses for the CEOs who headed those organisations - instead of prosecution - was the final nail. It confirmed that the elite had separated from the governed and that it only supported its own perpetuation. The Australian uptick came about when political parties began replacing leaders mid-term, which happened something like six times by both parties. The UK was Brexit, unsure what's going on in Canada. Hey @hua_guofang I'd love to read more about this. Can you post links or PM me some? Super interesting as someone from down under that is politically curious and involved in exploring democracy locally. Thanks for sharing btw. Edited July 8, 2020 by delv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, delv said: Hey @hua_guofang I'd love to read more about this. Can you post links or PM me some? Super interesting as someone from down under that is politically curious and involved in exploring democracy locally. Thanks for sharing btw. Not meant in a smartarse way, but just google, there is a mountain of stuff on this. file:///C:/Users/barst/AppData/Local/Temp/EXHIBIT%2004.pdf I haven't read that particular report but it's the main one many cite for this issue. Keep in mind though, that many people don't have a nuanced view of what democracy is. They see the political parties bickering like idiots during question time in parliament, they see the revolving door of Prime Ministers and politicians rorting travel costs and shit like that. What they don't often factor into their thinking are the fundamental principles of democracy, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of movement and things like this. It's doubtful that people have lost faith in these ideals, but more so in political leadership. That's my take, anyway. The problem with this loss in faith is that it opens up the way for populists like Trump, Bolsonaro, Boris, Duterte, etc., to walk in and say "the elite don't care about you, they've fucked the country. But I understand you, I know what you want and I can do it, I'm a strong leader and if you just give me power I will make everything great again as I love the country and I'm just like you". This often goes hand-in-hand with blaming foreigners and immigrants, not being tough with the law and having a very narrow view of what the national interest is (most of time this will focus on the economy and cultural identity). Think Hansonism and Trumpism. Trump is not the problem, he's what happens when you have a problem. Hilary epitomised the privileged elite. She had no central reason to run as president (Trump had MAGA, Hilary just had "because it's my turn and I'm a woman"). When people don't trust and believe in the system anymore it's easy for some one to walk in and give them easy answers and something familiar to clutch onto, like traditional values. That's what populists do, but because they're never actually good at governing, things get worse and they have to shift blame more and more to dodge responsibility and they can do dangerous shit out of desperation. The shit Trump is doing now with the virus and China are perfect examples. He's trying to get positive econ figures in the few months left so he has something to run on. He's willing to risk high fatality rates for short-term gain, just until the election. He's also trying to divert attention to China. Not to say that China isn't free of guilt, the CCP are a fucking scourge. However Trump's not addressing the actual problems, he's just scapegoating so he can try and look like a tough guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said: It's doubtful that people have lost faith in these ideals, but more so in political leadership. Yeah, I was thinking more along these lines, but I was curious to explore more given your initial post. Note: your attachment didn't attach. And yeah, I've heard of google I guess I was more referring to what one might be searching for etc. ie. point a guy in the right direction type thing. Thanks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Trying again, here you go: https://apo.org.au/node/208536 https://www.democracy2025.gov.au/documents/Democracy2025-report1.pdf I guess why I suggest searching is that there is actually so much out there on this issue (it's a problem in many democratic countries, as the graph indicates), that it makes it hard to point in any particular direction. The best thing I could do, rather than direct you in any particular way is to advise that you read from reputable sources rather than FB warriors and shit like that. Try and aim for qualified researchers, authoritative orgs like universities or well established think tanks, etc. Lowy Institute does a lot of good work in Australia, that's where I'd start digging locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Thanks mate. Much appreciated. I've been getting involved hyper locally with my council the last year but keen to expand my understanding and horizons of politics and democracy generally. And yeah, I'm not an FB person. My struggle is that I recognise FB bullshit but I'm not educated enough to digest research docs etc. Was hoping for a dumbed down version to help me explore. I'll see what is out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Actually, the LOWY stuff is very digestible. Good stuff. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 People protesting police brutality in the streets get the national guard, Trump's mates, who 100% broke the law, get off free. Tell me again how this guy is not THE swamp? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/donald-trump-commutes-long-time-adviser-roger-stone-sentence/12445732 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I studied and lived under the Chinese Communist PArty for a long time and I can't tell you how much Trump's America is starting to resemble that system. He tries to turn the military on protesters and dissenters. He tries to shut down media that is critical of him. Those close to him are allowed to break the law without the consequences normal people face He enriches his own family using the powers of his office His personal accounts are not up for scrutiny People in the government get fired if they don't agree with him He uses the power of his office to financially assist those who support him. He leans his political legitimacy on race and the economy. This is all 100% exactly the same as the Chinese Communist Party. Yet his supporters are such suckers they are so easily conditioned to scream "If AOC/Biden/whoever had their way, they'd take all your freedoms away like Stalin" and shit like that. It really is astounding how alike Trump's America has become like contemporary China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Got a good lol out of me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 A presidential adviser - who just happens to be related to the president, in a case of clear nepotism - is promoting a product that officially endorsed the president's re-election. I think it was @misteraventhat said this presidency has basically dropped all facades and is now just blatantly not giving a fuck and doing whatever it wants*. And the Republican party is not doing a thing about it. @misteravenmade that comment in the context that all govts are the same in terms of corruption. I agree with this, to a point. All govts are corrupt to a degree and do bad shit, the Obama admin was no different. But I do think that the Trump admin has taken this to an astronomical level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 "We are down to Kool-Aid drinkers and next of kin with this administration" Great summary from some dude on TV after he was asked if there was anyone left to tell the President that his latest press conference was not positive for his re-election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I'm wondering if they are purposefully trying to lose.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Hard to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 17 hours ago, delv said: I'm wondering if they are purposefully trying to lose.... I think that they've gone over a cliff. The reasonable folk like Mattis, McMAster, Tillerson, Kelly, Hill, etc. etc. have left the building and all you have left are nutjobs like Navarro, Miller and Kushner influencing an already skewif person like Trump. I'm not sure that they even have the capability to attract the centre anymore and all they can do is double down on their base, essentially recruiting those that are already going to vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: Hard to disagree I mean he probably spent more time figuring out what he was going to say about this photo perpetuating sensationalism than it took for someone to place some Goya cans on the desk and take that troll of a photo. He spent how much time bitching about a photo of beans when there’s still plenty of injustice and police brutality happening that could be reported. Hell, they could even talk more about the dozens of countries that are protesting their oppressive governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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