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The Post Social Media Era and whats next for 12oz and online communities like it

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1 hour ago, KILZ FILLZ said:

I wonder if car forums are still flourishing?

 

Something like a Honda forum seems like it could be endless. Endless DIY treads, endless images of user cars, endless questions about troubleshooting repairs, endless questions about modification. And when one model gets old it's sold to a new owner who may have the same questions and stumble upon the same forum. 

Reddit killed em. They’re still around but on life support 

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Not necessarily. Old dudes don't know and don't want to know what the fuck reddit is. They trust the expertise of people on a place like...

 

 https://www.triumphrat.net/#/


https://www.thetriumphforum.com/

 

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... where it’s more of a niche and dialed in discussion. Some random dude isn’t going to just stumble upon those forums like they could on reddit. They search for those. PS: That member photo is from just moments ago. 

 

I’m in my 30s and very aware of reddit, and everything it has going on, yet i couldn't give a fuck less about it. I use it to stream Patriots games when i cant get it for free elsewhere. That’s it. One of my best friends, however, treats Reddit as his absolute go to for anything and everything.
 

Edit: To me Reddit is the McDonalds and Facebook of forums. My girlfriends child who is under 10 years old knows what reddit is. I’ll pass. 

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On 10/16/2019 at 11:37 AM, Mercer said:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#United_States_v._Aaron_Swartz_case

 

It's hard to deny the facts on this one.

 

Still unsure what i would allegedly disagree about here as well.. 

 

if we’re talking about the abuse of power and systematic psychological bullying and oppression leading to this kids death i’m with it. 

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I don’t think you quite get it. How many active total users does that forum have? A quick glance at r/triumph shows 15 276 

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So Facebook / Instagram is fucking us again... Suddenly half the 12ozProphet shop is back under review with most of what is being reviewed now rejected. 

 

They're also playing games with the 12ozProphet Stadium x 1984 release and not allowing it to be published on Instagram as a shopable post. Same thing happened with the Bandwagon Bitches tee, which ended up hurting that release pretty badly. This is why its important to take motherfuckers like them out of the equation. Bad enough they're amassing billions by invading everyone's privacy, but now they're censoring anything that poses any type of threat to their business or personal ideologies.

 

12ozProphet needs your support... Please help me spread the news about all this... Also that the forum is back and lastly, if you dig what I'm trying to do here, dig the product we're making and can afford to pickup a tee or two... Purchases from our shop is the sole revenue stream for this forum and the 12ozProphet brand. Obviously we dropped all third party advertising a long time ago. Sales on our web shop is how all of this gets paid for. If nothing else, please help spread the news about the forum and what we're doing here.

 

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17 minutes ago, Kults said:

I don’t think you quite get it. How many active total users does that forum have? A quick glance at r/triumph shows 15 276 

I dont know about “total users.” As far as Current active users online... 

 

 

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Put it this way... 

 

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Like i said it’s the McDonalds of forums. Just because they have more people coming in and out doesn't mean it’s the better burger. People like me want the better burger. I’m not going to reddit for graffiti content and discussions. 

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11 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

Put it this way... 

 

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Like i said it’s the McDonalds of forums. Just because they have more people coming in and out doesn't mean it’s the better burger. People like me want the better burger. I’m not going to reddit for graffiti content and discussions. 

Agree to disagree. The nature of Reddit makes it so that people sit on the site, not on any one sub. So it can look like a sub is barren when in reality a large chunk of its followers are on the homepage. It’s more of a centralized experience. The indexing also makes it much easier to find older threads than on a forum. I think it’s just a case of you getting older and thinking the previous incarnations were better when in reality,  you just didn’t keep up. 

 

To be fair, that centralized experience and the fact that threads that don’t take off right away get buried within the hour go against fostering a sense of community and cohesiveness that you found in traditional forums. They both have strengths and weaknesses, dismissing the entire thing as the McDees of social media just demonstrates you don’t really get how it works though.

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@misteraven- that is fucked up. Why... why would a pen be an issue? Why would a book with what the untrained eye would consider scribbles on the cover be an issue?I don't understand. 

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I think it’s a case of you having a hard on for everything reddit and ever since i started questioning your opinion on shit months ago you refuse to admit i might have anything close to a point on anything.
 

I’ve kept up, the fact is i don’t give a fuck. There’s a difference. 
 

@Kults

 

edit: that said, i’m not getting into this with you any further than that. I think you’ve missed my point. 

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Not quite l do think you talk a lot of shit about things you don’t understand though.

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23 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

I dont know about “total users.” As far as Current active users online... 

Those stats are arbitrary as you don't know how each site defines 'active'. The old 12oz defined active as a member that logged in within the trailing 7 days. There was even an option to change the time span for the published metrics so back then, the logged in user list was actually anyone that logged in within 3 hours I think. That's how it got to numbers that showed 1200+ users logged in at a time. On this forum, its actually concurrent and honest... It's how many people hit the forum within a few minutes, but will show all users within the hour, sorted by activity.

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Fair enough, i don’t know how that Triumph forum logs it’s activity..

 

That wasn't my point though. That was the point Kults was trying to make. I used the same information and examples he used. 
 

My point was McDonalds vs. the better burger. 

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9 minutes ago, Joker said:

@misteraven- that is fucked up. Why... why would a pen be an issue? Why would a book with what the untrained eye would consider scribbles on the cover be an issue?I don't understand. 

My theory I since you're on the shit list, the system is designed to just hassle you. The old forum had a 'shadow ban' type feature. If I set your account to that classification instead of just banning the account, it made the user experience miserable by serving up 404 pages randomly and severely lagging the connections. Made it unusable. If some bullshit forum software is capable of that, imagine what the deep pockets of Facebook / Instagram can engineer. What I know is this... They essentially have a monopoly with social media, which represents a massive swath of all internet traffic. They've been given unfair competitive advantage and they now have tentacles deep enough with their authentication and tracking systems that they can just about box you in as far as what you're able to do online. Literally these companies can make or break your business after years of moulding people's behaviors and how they consume content, and now shop, online. 

 

 

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For the record it’s fairly active..

 

when i just checked the top recent posts there were 7 people posting in different threads in the past 10 minutes. 

 

https://www.thetriumphforum.com/recent-activity/

 

That’s still not the point i was making though. Reddit might have more people going in and out, but smaller more niche forums may have more in depth, knowledgeable discussions as those people go there to talk specifically about those topics. Which is what Kilz was talking about and Kults argued against. 
 

Again with the burger reference.. A non corporate burger spot that has a solid, loyal business with patrons who want a better burger can still thrive and be very much alive and not have the hundreds to thousands of people in and out every day like McDonalds. Much like how a specific forum for Triumphs, or graffiti.. could have better “product“ and substance than a reddit where every Tom, Dick and Harry can stroll into the conversation because it has more notoriety.  

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2 hours ago, Kults said:

Reddit killed em. They’re still around but on life support 

I'd say that's partially accurate.  The problem with reddit is the same problem with the other social media platforms, there is no "sticky" threads.  There are no long form discussions that are meaningful next week.  As soon as the kids don't care to comment on it, the thread goes into oblivion.  I know you know this.

 

I run a car forum, it's very dead.  The other car forum that I frequent does have active users and I believe the car communities are where I've heard the same concerns voiced about putting all of our information on platforms that don't care about the information.  Seriously, think about it..... if facebook cared about sharing with others how to fix cars, why would it let a thread get bumped off into oblivion and not provide any useful way of finding it again or continuing the conversation?

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Ya thats the rub with reddit. It is cool to look at TOP posts though, gives you a good feel for any one sub

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1 hour ago, misteraven said:

 

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That was my point. 
 

is it because he said he runs a forum you listen to him, or is it because it was me who tried to make the point that you just didn’t care to try to hear it? 
 

edit: i love how you can edit things without it being shown you edit, because this wasn’t there originally.. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kults said:

To be fair, that centralized experience and the fact that threads that don’t take off right away get buried within the hour go against fostering a sense of community and cohesiveness that you found in traditional forums. They both have strengths and weaknesses, dismissing the entire thing as the McDees of social media just demonstrates you don’t really get how it works though.

 

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That post originally ended with you telling me i didn’t keep up.
 

It’s hilarious that you can go back after the fact and alter what you said to make it seem like i’m taking things you say out of context or completely ignoring them without it being shown you did such. 

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^^ every time I edit stuff it says I've edited it lol.... who knows.

 

I still have people coming on the car forum, but it's for a different reason, and I should have clarified that above.  The car forums are not dead, there are active discussions on the Club Lexus, Supra Forums, DSMTuners, Evolution M, and etc etc.  Car forums are far from dead, people are just distracted right now.  My forum specifically has slowed with traffic because nobody cares about the kind of car I mess with.  It's first gen mitsubishi cars that were sold in America.  I heard a kid at the last Cars & Coffee I took it to tell his friend that it was a first generation Evolution.  😐  I couldn't stone face hard enough.

 

Anyway, the thing is, the young kids that are my brother's age (~22 years old right now) don't care about forums and never learned their value.  They were raised around social media and 144 character replies that bump off into oblivion 12h from now.

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Typos. Same text. No idea what youre on about now

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