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@NightmareOnElmStreethonestly I feel like this is a pretty common theme in this thread. Seems like most of us weren't set on a path to have (or at least plan for) a future, then we wind up in our thirties still trying to make one. 

 

There are groups out there that can help you with your soul crushing loans. A friend I went to school with had the same debt as me, but didn't join the military. And he never, ever paid a monthly bill. Like three or four years back with  the late fees, delinquencies,  and interest piled up he was at almost 400k in. He got help from some people at a local credit union and ultimately got his debt reduced to 30k. Obviously, That is a much more managable number, and i watched him crawl out of a years long depression because of that light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Sounds like the movie set thing would be a dream. I hope it works out for you.

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1 minute ago, Fist 666 said:

@NightmareOnElmStreethonestly I feel like this is a pretty common theme in this thread. Seems like most of us weren't set on a path to have (or at least plan for) a future, then we wind up in our thirties still trying to make one. 

 

There are groups out there that can help you with your soul crushing loans. A friend I went to school with had the same debt as me, but didn't join the military. And he never, ever paid a monthly bill. Like three or four years back with  the late fees, delinquencies,  and interest piled up he was at almost 400k in. He got help from some people at a local credit union and ultimately got his debt reduced to 30k. Obviously, That is a much more managable number, and i watched him crawl out of a years long depression because of that light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Sounds like the movie set thing would be a dream. I hope it works out for you.

I looked into the guard a year ago for like.........a day 😩😒. I’ve been back and forth over the years on paying what I can but it’s mostly horse shit and I know exactly what I’m doing in the end. Stupidly waiting for the white knight politician to swoop down and bail me out like a million other retards. 

 

The film union shit is the goal with some finally finish my ten+ year old bachelors sprinkled in. 

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I just had this whole shit typed out and closed the browser and when i returned it was gone. The one time it didn’t save it.. 

 

I’ll return when i’m no upset, haha.

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Nobody here will know who I am, I was a shithead kid on here back in the day, but I have lots of love for this forum. I basically stayed in the paperchase/toy threads and quit painting graffiti by the time I was in my early 20s because fuck getting felonies for writing my name on stuff, still have a lot of love for the art and the culture and still have some nice handstyles and throws, yada yada. Channel Zero stole my childhood innocence lmao yall were fucking wyling in here. Yall have some really interesting stories and this is my first time signing in in years so why not contribute.

 

Far as career, I've always been horrible at math or science which has been the bane of my personal and professional existence, but also cool I guess since art and writing counts too. Reading, writing, and language always came easily to me, especially creative writing. I guess I'm good with letters whether it's writing or drawing them, though never could draw well enough for pieces lol. Or was just too lazy to learn.

 

I grew up loving music, playing instruments on and off, being the guy people would always want to rap at parties and shit cause I could freestyle (corny but what are ya gonna do). Made some shitty songs in high school with the homies, ripping beats off youtube and recording in audacity. Went to college for an English degree like an idiot, a lil strung out on pills half the time and in a fucked up relationship most of the time. Original plan was to be in academia since I grew up watching my dad in that world, found out that's basically impossible these days especially because fuck getting a PhD, it's a racket. I'm not trying to pay anymore tenured professor's mortgages, fuck them.

 

Spent lots of high school and college off and on pills, opioids are/were my shit (which is why I can't do them). Never got too strung out but did do dope with worse off homies who ended up in rehabs and what not, got in a lil trouble when I was younger and went through some of the outpatient stuff myself. Somehow never completely ruined my life with drugs or died even though I got damn close/should have so many times between benzos, alcohol, and opiates throughout high school especially, and knew lots of people who did die. Midwest livin, the pharmaceutical flood, we were bored! What can ya do.

 

Wrote lots and lots of creative stuff in a few genres between a few projects since high school, culminating in a poetry book that I'd love to get published, but the poetry/literary game is (unsurprisingly) circle jerk bullshit, you have to pay people to read your stuff and who knows if they actually do, and of course nobody's making a living off poetry books, you have to publish enough to get enough clout to get an actually professor job, which takes decades.

 

Been floating between jobs the past ten years since high school whether that's working in kitchens, tutoring, IT apprentice stuff, catering, copywriting, academic research, then bullshit temp office jobs for the past few years trying to get a foot in the door in tech marketing while applying for anything that has to do with writing. The modern job market is a nightmare.

 

Finally got a great break recently through someone I worked with at a company, and am hoping this marketing writing job finally works out so I can have a real career. Will probably find out in the next two weeks but the application process has been going really well and I'm killin it so far so wish me luck.

 

At the insistence of friends and cause I always meant to actually try seriously, been getting back into writing bArS and making songs again, trying to learn music production and make some beats too, I suck but I have fun. Had a few relationships that haven't worked out but that's life. Even bought some canvases and markers/paint a few days ago, fully ready to embark on a quarter life crisis and sell shitty art on my rap instagram/try to actually get some writing published once I can afford to submit to contests lmao. I'm in my mid 20s so I still have time to figure shit out and I'm still having fun, feel like I've lived a few lifetimes by now. Just glad I woke up.

 

Much love to @misteravenand so many other names this forum was legendary back in the day and it's so cool what you guys have created, and that you're bringing it back. It's important and it matters, to lots and lots of people. And I was really just a lil kid soaking it all in back in the day, yall corrupted me and for that I'm thankful LOL. I was a bombing science kid so coming to this shit was like opening a portal into the dark web lmao.

 

Also can yall fucking believe Mero blew up!? I'm so proud of him man, loved his posts since his 12oz/victory light blog days. Thanks for giving me a place to learn how to be a degenerate, and to try in vain to learn philly handstyles from my stupid town in the Midwest. Much love.

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@NightmareOnElmStreetfrom what I've heard, UX design can be an awesome career and is pretty easy to learn for someone who's actually artistically talented. But dude, the set design shit sounds like something you're genuinely interested in and would love to do...good luck with it. You have the rest of your life to do some techy shit, but if you'd love to paint for a living and be creative every day, see how it goes with set design...you never know what could happen. And don't beat yaself up either, we're all just bullshitting our way through life pretending we know what we're doing, throwing shit at the wall and trying things and seeing what sticks. You're smart and creatively talented, you'll figure it out man. And if the set design doesnt work out or wouldnt pay enough for you to be able to get rid of the debt, then you def should take on the UX stuff, tech is the way to go for money/job outlook these days. At the worst you could look at it as a necessary evil, and shit you might like it more than ya think. idk, good luck homie.

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I forgot to tell you guys to check out teamblind.com.  It's a place where I think tech industry people talk about jobs in the tech industry.  I'm not talking about regular tech jobs, I'm talking about some of these guys ecliipse what the president's salary is.... if it's still in the 400k/yr range.  I'll be happy I think when I get above 200k/yr.  I'm not quite there yet but doing damn good for someone that didn't go to school.  I get to work from home whenever I want because doing computer work doesn't require that I'm present in any certain physical location.

 

To talk on what @misteravenmentioned above, things I would do differently in hindsight if I could go back, right now, to being 16 again with the same knowledge I have now:

 

* Would have quit smoking pot, rather than spending most of my life smoking pot.

* Would have never got into drinking, my genetics don't do well with it.  I'm like a drunk Indian, it's in my blood.... I love drinking, and that's why I don't do it.  @cola0793- this kinda mirrors what you said about opiates.

* Would have recognized that retirement doesn't mean saving a pile of money and hoping it's big enough to float to the end of life..... retirement, for me, now, means that I have enough in various areas to pay dividends that allow me to do whatever I want.  It's like a paycheck because my money is sitting somewhere in a large quantity.  I would have started saving for this immediately if I knew this when I was younger.

* Would have definitely not boned some of the girls I boned, they turned out to be real wastes of time (and I'm sure some of them still are wastes of time for other people now).

* Would have 100% spent more time with both of my grandpas.  I was just in Indiana a week ago visiting family and told some of my uncles that are into motorsports that I wish I had been older and into cars when grandpa was around because he was into motorsports and I was just a kid, not able to have those kinds of discussions with him.  If he were here today I could help him build something.  My other grandpa was a rancher, I could have learned a ton from him asking him questions that I have now but didn't when I was a kid.

* Would have stayed devoted to my faith, maybe not spent a whole lot of time doing it, but just wouldn't have strayed for so long from it.

* Would have chosen my friends better, many turned out not to be friends and some turned out to be just distant acquaintances.

* Would probably not have started doing graffiti (again @cola0793- in reference to getting in trouble for writing "rap letters"), I was a bit lost when I got into it and didn't know my direction in life very well.  I'm thankful now for the experiences I got from doing graffiti.  For a long time having a felony got in my way in the professional world, but I've made it over the hump and employers care much more about my skills than my criminal background.  Of course, I wouldn't be here graced by you fine folks' presence if I hadn't gotten into graffiti though, so I'm thankful that this aspect of it panned out for good.

 

Lately, we've had some amazing discussions here and I'm super thankful.  I've been telling a lot of personal friends of mine what we've been talking about on here and how wholesome and rich the different discussions are.  We get a "world view" having people from all over as members here.  Fucking amazing really is the only way I can describe it.  I'm glad @misteravenhas held it together for us for so long.  I've watched many car forums fizzle out and disappear due to reaching a slump in readership.  Not 12oz though, this place feels like it's as strong as it ever was and poised to grow even more.

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On 10/10/2019 at 11:42 AM, Joker said:

Sorry, this is a long one. I apologize for any typos or weirdly structured sentences. 

 

I'll start my backstory in 1989. No, not the year I was born, but the year I left art/design school. I didn't graduate, I left. Long story. 

 

I ended up back in the DC area and got a job at Tower Records/Video. I had no idea Tower had an art department until I worked there, and once I knew, I knew that's where I wanted to be. Within a few weeks of working there one of the artists left, the other artists knew I was an artist, and I got hired to the art department. A few years later I'm working at the art department at a Tower in Dublin, California and my girlfriend at the time was working at Nordstrom. She got chatty with the folks who did the window displays and mention of me and what I do came up, so they hired me to recreate some vintage post cards for them on 4'x6' board, for their windows. I got on really well with the Nordstrom folks, and a month later they hired me to their team. 

 

I worked for Nordstrom doing window displays for twenty years. Twenty... years. It was an awesome job. I learned skills I wouldn't have otherwise learned, I made lifelong friends, I got to travel often, and travel well. It also made moving with job security very easy, so I tried San Diego then back to the Bay before I eventually ended up in Portland, Oregon. Met a girl, got married, stayed put. In the late 90s the Apple iMac was introduced and I bought one. My first computer experience. I taught myself the basics of how to use Adobe Illustrator (and learned a lot from guys like Kema) during that time and started bringing it into the Graffiti I was creating, and I was doing some small time freelance design stuff. Nordstrom window displays - the way it used to work was every store had a budget and the in-store display team designed, created, and installed the window display. Somewhere in the late 90s, early oughts, Nordstrom shifted design to home base (Seattle) and set up a team to design the window displays for all stores. The idea was continuity in the consumer experience. Obviously, I wanted in on this new design department. It wasn't until about six years later that I got my chance. The director just called me out of the blue and offered me a job. It meant moving to Seattle, though. The wife and I chatted about it for a few days and she decided that if I want to do what I was meant to do, what I've wanted to do since grade school, I had to take this opportunity and see if I can make it work. So I took it. I moved to Seattle but my wife stayed in Portland. Tough, but it's only a few hours so we made it work. I learned a ton at my first design job. I knew very little about Illustrator when I think back on it. I knew nothing about Photoshop other than the auto features. I had never opened InDesign. Honestly, it's a miracle they gave me a chance considering how little I knew. That said, within a year I had learned a ton, and my aesthetic was completely different form what had been done or was being done, so it worked. After about a year we hired a guy who had recently graduated from school for architecture. I saw him working in a 3D program building out an environment for a fashion show event. I had just spent the last week designing in "3D" in Illustrator so when I saw how effortlessly he was working in this program I was blown away. The program was Sketchup, and at the time there was a free version. So I downloaded it and spent an entire week teaching myself how to use it, and the new hire helped with some tricks and tips. By the end of that week I was up and running, and the game had changed for me. Eventually I got a job as the designer for Nordstrom's Pop-In shops that Olivia Kim (of Opening Ceremony fame) was leading. After close to 2 years of living in Seattle away from wife, and visiting each other when we could, and all the travel I was doing, I felt it was time to find a job in Portland. So I created a Portfolio and set out. 

 

I applied for almost 22 jobs at Nike and never got one, I applied for six jobs at Adidas and never got one, I applied for a job at Columbia and got passed up, I applied for a job at Icebreaker which I almost got but the day I was supposed to go in and get my offer letter the company had decided to shift operations back to New Zealand, so I was out. I sent my portfolio to six local design agencies and heard back from two, met one for an interview, but turns out they weren't hiring they just wanted to meet me and learn more about Nordstrom, met the other but he ultimately passed on me because my InDesign skills were minimal and he really needed someone to handle deck building. Then Design Week Portland happened and I went to an open house at an agency called SET Creative because a friend worked there. While there he talked me up and got me an interview the following week, and they hired me. Different world, different pace, working at a design agency as opposed to working in the corporate world. Eventually bigger and bigger projects rolled in and I ended up designing the Jordan brand store in Toronto. Funny side note: we partnered with the agency who passed on me due to little InDesign experience. While in Toronto he and I were in a van with a bunch of other folks and everyone was talking about their career experience. When I mentioned I worked at Nordstrom that guy spoke up and said "I interviewed a guy a Nordstrom but he didn't have enough experience". I told him that was me and he was sooooo apologetic. It was kind of funny. He's an awesome guy so I took no offense, it's business, I get it. Anyway, SET Creative brought in a ton of great work, and offered me a lot of incredible opportunities, but their business practices and lack of work/life balance left me wanting to get the hell out. I got poached by another smaller agency about two years ago and I've a lot happier. We do some fun stuff and it feels more like family. Love it. 

 

And during all that time I was painting Graffiti, painting canvases, racing bikes, traveling the world, and moonlighting as a freelance designer for the cycling industry. There's definitely been some low points, a few high points, but overall it's been awesome. To think I was a snot-nosed kid who barely graduated high school (after dropping out in 11th grade and then going back) and dropped out of design school and I somehow made it out okay... is a good feeling. I'm fucking tired and really want to just retire (seventeen more years) but I love what I'm doing and wouldn't change a thing. 

 

The biggest thing along the way that kept me going was the support I received from friends and family. Family always passing along positive affirmations and friends/peers telling me I can do what I felt I couldn't, and giving me the opportunities to prove it to myself. This includes guys like @misteraven, Cody Hudson, and Caleb Neelon, and I'll always be thankful for that. 

I was wild close to getting a window display job for H&M way back before they kept doing racist ass shit with their advertising.  Had the whole double interview call back and everything. The traveling. The networking. The chicks. Fuck. That is probably one of 2 things I look back on and really wish went differently...That and leaving Portland after 7 months instead of sticking it out. But then I wouldnt have came back to the homestead and randomly knocked a girl up blessing me with the beautiful little lady I have today. So it goes.....

 

Ps. You mentioned Caleb Neelon. Im curious of said influence. I only know that dude from around art shows and mural folk in Boston. The montessori school I worked at had one of dudes murals in there (as well as the entire rest of the city)....

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This box looks like phone lines to me, not electrical. 

 

do I need to have any concern about storing fuel over it? Specifically small lantern propane bottles and some bucket paint. 
 

there is a small shelf at the top of this brick wall that I would like to use for storing them. 

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On 11/24/2019 at 10:48 AM, KILZ FILLZ said:

This box looks like phone lines to me, not electrical. 

 

do I need to have any concern about storing fuel over it? Specifically small lantern propane bottles and some bucket paint. 
 

there is a small shelf at the top of this brick wall that I would like to use for storing them. 

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Would not recommend storing flammable gas devices inside, let alone above that Dmark.

  1. That's called a Dmark, it's a device that taps into, and splits up phone lines to make on premise connections.
  2. A phone line normally carries 50v dc for dial tone, and can jump to 110v dc when it's ringing, enough to make a spark
  3. Even if the lines were all dead, an outside electrical storm could cause any gas in the coset to ignite (arcs between the Dmark and Ground)
  4. Your fuel type is a flammable gas, for this reason national building code wouldn't allow it to be stored inside under most conditions
  5. I store propane outside on my balcony in open air, so does everyone else following code correctly like gas stations etc. if you've noticed

 

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Awesome, knew someone would know. Thanks for the heads up, I won’t store them above it. Wish I had a balcony or patio. @Mercer

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Are they "your lines"?  And, if so.... are you using them?  If you're not, you or an electrician could remove them from that area..... but that still doesn't make it ok to store a flammable liquid inside.

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On 11/26/2019 at 8:50 AM, Dirty_habiT said:

Are they "your lines"?  And, if so.... are you using them?  If you're not, you or an electrician could remove them from that area..... but that still doesn't make it ok to store a flammable liquid inside.

I live next to front office for the complex so probably lines for multiple units. 

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Can’t be many people other than seniors and folks that live where you can get snowed in. I’ve heard a lot of seniors still pay AOL every month for a browser and email. @Dirty_habiT

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On 11/27/2019 at 8:04 PM, Dirty_habiT said:

^^ I see. Yeah probably don't want to mess with them then. It's 2019 who uses land line phones still?

Wanted to connect an analog line actually. Cellular reception sucks.

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^^Probably better off using an IP phone based service tbh.  I would think going back to POTS is a regression in technology.

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7 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

^^Probably better off using an IP phone based service tbh.  I would think going back to POTS is a regression in technology.

Internet often sucks too. I already use Ooma for IP calls and Android and iOS already have WiFi based calling.

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To the post who asked for advice...

 

Save for retirement - now. That’s not a fucking joke, not some “ok, boomer” shit, I’m being real serious. Whether you’re doing a 401k or a Roth IRA and contributing to it, do something, anything - now. Don’t wait till you’re 45-50 years old and think you can eke it out by 67. I started in my 30s and then cashed it out ten years later and had to restart. I wish I hadn’t, and I wish I had started earlier. I’m back on track but it took a lot of sacrifice and spare change to get there. Starting in your twenties is clearly the smarter option. Figure it out and start now. 
 

Or work 40+ hours a week until you die, up to you. 

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Building off what @Jokermentioned, maybe this needs its own thread, but something I wish someone put in my ear and bugged me about back when I was younger was straight forward investing. Even basiu shit like buying silver / gold bullion and especially land / property, is the sort of thing that is a game changer down the road. Sounds ridiculous when you're young, but to skip the nice car and partying and other dumb shit to scrimp and save for a couple years so you can buy a fixer upper in a decent location and then rent out a room or two while you live in the third and then repeating that another couple of times over the course of the next 10 years means that by the time you're in your 40's, you're likely already a millionaire. It's honestly so easy to do in hind sight but seems ridiculous when you're in your 20s and fresh out of school thinking you're going to slay the world.

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Absolutely true, @misteraven

 

If you don't want to "throw money away" on retirement then buy property or land. Most of you don't see the need because you're younger and would rather have fun with the hard-earned money in your pocket, but saving for retirement is easily the smartest thing anyone could have told me when I was younger, yet no one did. Actually, I lied, when Nordstrom hired me (at 21years old) they explained the importance of saving for retirement, and how their 401k matched up to 10%, and how easy it was and how I wouldn't even notice a difference in my paycheck, and I still skipped it so I could have that $20 every paycheck in my pocket, instead. Stupid of me. 

 

Right now I'm spending a lot of my spare time doing freelance work so I can pay down, or pay off, my mortgage in 10-15 years so that I can retire at 65-67 and owe nothing, to anyone. 

 

It's simple, kids - save now. 

 

 

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On 10/28/2019 at 4:34 PM, NightmareOnElmStreet said:

Ps. You mentioned Caleb Neelon. Im curious of said influence. I only know that dude from around art shows and mural folk in Boston. The montessori school I worked at had one of dudes murals in there (as well as the entire rest of the city)....

Caleb was inspirational through his support of what I was doing, and in how he did what he was doing. Same with Cody, same with Raven. I name-dropped those three because of their relation to 12oz, but there have been a lot of folks who have been really supportive of my work, and supportive through inspiring me to do what I really wanted to do but didn't think I had it me to do. 

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5 hours ago, misteraven said:

Building off what @Jokermentioned, maybe this needs its own thread, but something I wish someone put in my ear and bugged me about back when I was younger was straight forward investing. Even basiu shit like buying silver / gold bullion and especially land / property, is the sort of thing that is a game changer down the road. Sounds ridiculous when you're young, but to skip the nice car and partying and other dumb shit to scrimp and save for a couple years so you can buy a fixer upper in a decent location and then rent out a room or two while you live in the third and then repeating that another couple of times over the course of the next 10 years means that by the time you're in your 40's, you're likely already a millionaire. It's honestly so easy to do in hind sight but seems ridiculous when you're in your 20s and fresh out of school thinking you're going to slay the world.

I am probably in the worst financial state of my adult life, currently. But my head is on straighter than ever and i’m working everyday at this exact idea. I started listening to a podcast called “bigger pockets money” and its seriously impacted the way i think about shit. Right out of the gate i can say i’ve Never been good with money, and it shows. A couple years ago i started really thinking about buying a multi family, even though i have virtually nothing saved and not the best credit. I started working on the credit thing hard and got above where i ever thought i would be. Some shit went down, and i bombed to the bottom. In a nutshell, my plans are slow moving but that podcast has me on heavy baby steps towards the whole “Fi lifestyle” and i’m Pissed only started paying attention to it recently. There is literally no reason to buy that forever home shit if you’re even the slightest bit handy and not a bitch ass. 

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14 hours ago, NightmareOnElmStreet said:

I am probably in the worst financial state of my adult life, currently. But my head is on straighter than ever and i’m working everyday at this exact idea. I started listening to a podcast called “bigger pockets money” and its seriously impacted the way i think about shit. Right out of the gate i can say i’ve Never been good with money, and it shows. A couple years ago i started really thinking about buying a multi family, even though i have virtually nothing saved and not the best credit. I started working on the credit thing hard and got above where i ever thought i would be. Some shit went down, and i bombed to the bottom. In a nutshell, my plans are slow moving but that podcast has me on heavy baby steps towards the whole “Fi lifestyle” and i’m Pissed only started paying attention to it recently. There is literally no reason to buy that forever home shit if you’re even the slightest bit handy and not a bitch ass. 

You should post a link to that podcast. Likewise, we really should breath some new activity into https://forum.12ozprophet.com/groups/15-the-meeting-at-jekyll-island/ . The entire purpose of that group was to share our knowledge and experiences, as well as network for the goal of elevating each others financial position. I have a lot of experience in regards to credit - building it, fixing it and how it works. It's not neary as opaque as it seems and though it will take a little time to show positive results, you'll probably be pretty surprised when you're on the other end of the credit scale looking back.

 

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36 YEARS OLD. IVE BEEN A STEM TEACHER THE LAST 3 YEARS, WAS A SPECIAL ED TEACHER THE 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT...

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15 hours ago, NightmareOnElmStreet said:

I am probably in the worst financial state of my adult life, currently. But my head is on straighter than ever and i’m working everyday at this exact idea. I started listening to a podcast called “bigger pockets money” and its seriously impacted the way i think about shit. Right out of the gate i can say i’ve Never been good with money, and it shows. A couple years ago i started really thinking about buying a multi family, even though i have virtually nothing saved and not the best credit. I started working on the credit thing hard and got above where i ever thought i would be. Some shit went down, and i bombed to the bottom. In a nutshell, my plans are slow moving but that podcast has me on heavy baby steps towards the whole “Fi lifestyle” and i’m Pissed only started paying attention to it recently. There is literally no reason to buy that forever home shit if you’re even the slightest bit handy and not a bitch ass. 

I just posted a credit tutorial in the Jekyll Island Group based off your post. Also accepted your membership request.

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