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The power of positive thinking, meditation and crawling out of the pits of dispair

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@diggityIt used to be free. There has to be a few guided meditation podcasts out there. Paying to mediate should be your last option. 

 

@misteravenyeah that's true but very transparent lol

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18 minutes ago, diggity said:

Headspace goes on sale a lot. I swear it use to be half that price. I found a torrent of all the lessons a while back but never loaded it up. Just seemed like it would be really messy without the app to track it all. 

Let me know if you see it go on sale again.

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sign up for the free trial, pretty sure you'll get an offer at the end of it.

 

i remember reading a huge backlash about the guy who owns the company and how he was taking advantage/not living a genuine buddhist approach or some shit.

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I withheld comment to try to consider the perspective on that.  Agree re: paying to meditate.  Also feel reservations about learning to meditate through your phone, doesn't feel quite in line with some of the concepts at practice in meditation and mindfulness.  I did see a monk at a temple once with an MP3 player but that might very well have been one of his only worldly possessions.

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So I've been continuing with my DIY efforts and thought I'd provide an update.

 

I've been listing to a guided meditation podcast and it is relaxing. I have no frame of reference for this stuff and for all I know maybe its a placebo effect, but I can say that I feel noticeably more relaxed.

 

Link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meditation-minis-podcast/id963597166

 

Its the highest reviewed in iTunes I was able to find and has crystal clear production, which I find helps me personally. The ladies voice is super soothing so it all works pretty well (for me at least). What I don't like is that they're all super short. Like 10 - 15 minutes. I'd love if they had hour long ones because I'm just barely getting into relaxing when it's ending. Then she comes out of the guided meditation to give a plug to her sponsor or whatever, which kills the vibe a bit. I still tend to listen to a few in a row and again, I am feeling a but less anxious and just more calm in general. Been doing this before bed and early in the morning when I wake up before the alarm.

 

Further to that, I've been listening to "The Secret", mostly at night and usually after the podcast I just mentioned. Again, I don't necessarily take what they're saying literally, but the whole thing is essentially positive messages and it helps keep my mind focused on not dwelling on negative shit as I'm falling asleep. Wondering if there's a sound track or something that is essentially an hour of just positive messaging and soothing sounds? Haven't tried just listening to those rain or ocean waves or other white noise sound tracks, but will likely do that next to see if it manages to keep me focused.

 

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All in all, I do feel better though. Again, might just be that I'm putting effort into it and that's convincing me of something, but if it works to make you feel a little better, I really don't care if it can be proven in some scientific study or not. I do suspect that a lot of this is likely very intertwined with diet, supplements and exercise. Seems like a no brainer since that's what they always tell you... Eat right, exercise, get a good nights sleep, etc... Maybe its me, but its easy to just ignore shit that is so obvious like that. Further, like exercise, I suspect it takes time to undo the damage that builds up over time. Much like if you let yourself get vastly out of shape, you can't hit the gym for a week and expect 6 pack abs. I think a lifetime of stress and not taking as good a care of yourself as you should is likely why so many people are feeling anxious, stressed and fucked up. There's a lot out there on how western society has really lost their connection to some of this sort of thing. I'll be the first to admit that there's so much out there telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing that its easy to tune all that shit out or outright defy it purposely as some pseudo science hooky bullshit or someone just trying to get rich with another self help gimmick.

 

But then again, a lot of us are feeling pretty fucked up and whereas your body bounced back when you were a kid and you also had your whole life ahead of you and could put off a lot of shit, I think most of us are waking up to realize that something is off or outright wrong and maybe we need to remedy the situation asap. 

 

Hopefully this helps some of you somehow. Still trying to find some 60+ minute guided mediation or positive thinking type soundtracks, so let me know if you come up on any. Have not tried the CBD, and also have not tried that meditation app, though I downloaded it. (Hate the idea of falling asleep with air pods and freakin iphone has no headphone jack.

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On 9/18/2019 at 6:53 PM, diggity said:

sign up for the free trial, pretty sure you'll get an offer at the end of it.

 

i remember reading a huge backlash about the guy who owns the company and how he was taking advantage/not living a genuine buddhist approach or some shit.

Seems to be that a lot of the first content is free and then you need to unlock the rest of it. Still planning to try it though.

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There are 3+ hour ones you can find if you just want background noise like ocean waves.

Not so much placebo effect.  It's been studied and I guess it kind of relates to you chosing a positive step for yourself combined with the expectation of something good coming from that.  

 

I've done a bunch of hypnosis, self-hypnosis, meditation, biofeedback, etc.  They all involve different levels of focus.  One of the things that was impressed on me (maybe a pun) is that many of us use these abilities regularly without realizing.  Daydreaming would be one.  Or you worked you way into a spot, rocked out, and it wasn't until later when you got home and got in the shower and felt the sting that you realized you got all scratched up on those bushes you went through.  

 

Re: positive messages will suggest not seeking them out but creating ones you want for yourself and then telling yourself those things during focused meditation.

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Weird one: driving to/from work and arriving at your destination with no recollection of the bulk of the commute. 

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So I finally tried that Headspace app. Tried to do the 30 minute guided intro mediation and really didn't like it all. Don't like that its a man's voice with some sort of accent I can't place, but more than that, just wasn't nearly as good (for me) as the podcast one I mentioned. I know its not a fair assessment and I'll try it a time or two more, but main thing I also didn't like is it was so minimal, I kept wondering if the app crashed. Literally minutes between any sound at all. Again, maybe just a bad episode or something, but off to a poor start.

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On 9/25/2019 at 4:50 PM, misteraven said:

So I finally tried that Headspace app. Tried to do the 30 minute guided intro mediation and really didn't like it all. Don't like that its a man's voice with some sort of accent I can't place, but more than that, just wasn't nearly as good (for me) as the podcast one I mentioned. I know its not a fair assessment and I'll try it a time or two more, but main thing I also didn't like is it was so minimal, I kept wondering if the app crashed. Literally minutes between any sound at all. Again, maybe just a bad episode or something, but off to a poor start.

You could also try the Sam Harris app (https://wakingup.com/) but suspect you might have similar response as the Headspace one. To his credit, Sam harris has a deal where if you really can't afford it, you can email him and he will give it to you for free (both can be found on torrent sites as well).

 

I have done a bit of meditation over the years but never been able to stick with it. I do find other activities that force you to switch of your mind have a similar effect ie. BJJ or reading or anything where you end up losing track of time. Meditation is unique in the way it encourages you to deal with the thoughts/stresses in the back of your mind.

 

The guided meditations are particularly good when you are starting out and maybe need some encouragement but you'll find as you get to the more 'advanced' Headspace ones they contain more and more silence. Once you have the basics down, you only really need silence (or sounds) and some time to continue. 

 

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Just got promoted but I'm spending way more time at the desk and its eating my soul. 

Also the workload is easy and I have all this time I "Have" to dedicate to this position while I ignore other issues from other position. 

funny enough it is compliance related. 

 

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Progress update... Haven’t given the Headspace App much more of a try but feel I’m getting pretty good results from the Meditation Mini podcast posted above. She mentioned in one of them that she’ll be releasing a paid app that does away with the commercials and has some other stuff so curious to see what that’s about and what it costs. But again, podcast has been good for me. Usually listen to 1 - 3 episodes in a row before bed and in the morning and it’s calming for sure. Basically re-listening to them at this point, but don’t mind so far. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 1:59 PM, +plus+ said:

Just got promoted but I'm spending way more time at the desk and its eating my soul. 

Also the workload is easy and I have all this time I "Have" to dedicate to this position while I ignore other issues from other position. 

funny enough it is compliance related. 

 

My last position was compliance and mad desk time. I advise buying a yoga ball to sit on instead of chair. Look like a tool but feel like a million bucks. 100% serious. My back got fuckedddddd in that first year. Hips too

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23 hours ago, misteraven said:

Progress update... Haven’t given the Headspace App much more of a try but feel I’m getting pretty good results from the Meditation Mini podcast posted above. She mentioned in one of them that she’ll be releasing a paid app that does away with the commercials and has some other stuff so curious to see what that’s about and what it costs. But again, podcast has been good for me. Usually listen to 1 - 3 episodes in a row before bed and in the morning and it’s calming for sure. Basically re-listening to them at this point, but don’t mind so far. 

Have you tried Asmr? Not the sexy asmr, "real" asmr. 

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9 hours ago, KILZ FILLZ said:

Have you tried Asmr? Not the sexy asmr, "real" asmr. 

Link? No idea what you’re talking about. 

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Will check it out.

 

Wanted to call attention to another podcast that was referenced from the Meditation Minis one I linked above. Meditation Minis is really fantastic (for me anyways) and I'd likely be willing to pay a fair subscription fee for it or an ad free version of it, because I get that much out of it. That said, this new one called Tune Into You (iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher)  is next level. Honestly, I'm sure there's therapists out there charging a grip that aren't as effective as I've found this podcast to be. Yesterday was a hard day, topped off by a super shitty evening. That podcast helped.

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Ive been reading a lot of albert Camus, jean Baudrillard, and Jacques Derrida

 

These philosophers are nihilistic leaning in thinking, BUT, they encourage an inner cultivation of strength and resilience that nihilists tend to overlook when embracing the school of thought.

 

Nihilism and stoicism can be held hand in hand and do not have to veer into any kind of pessimism or existential crisis.

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I’m having a rough day today guys. 
 

moms been in the hospital since I took her to ER mid Nov and visiting the hospital day in and day out for this long is starting to wear on me

 

been just kind of driving around the city aimlessly all day today. 
 

can’t be home because I’ve been getting this irritable cabin fever thing, but also have no where else in mind to go. 
 

Sitting in a bar by myself right now 

 

 

fookin aye

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@KILZ FILLZ imo, go find a quiet (loud waves, low people) stretch of beach and watch the tides. When I was coastal that was my go to "grounding" activity.  Bars ain't gonna help anything. 

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13 hours ago, KILZ FILLZ said:

I’m having a rough day today guys. 
 

moms been in the hospital since I took her to ER mid Nov and visiting the hospital day in and day out for this long is starting to wear on me

 

been just kind of driving around the city aimlessly all day today. 
 

can’t be home because I’ve been getting this irritable cabin fever thing, but also have no where else in mind to go. 
 

Sitting in a bar by myself right now 

 

 

fookin aye

Get out of the bar.

 

Buy yourself a nice meal. And buy a meal for some one who really needs it. Take yourself for a neck, shoulder and back massage.

 

None of this will fix your problem but at the end of the day, you will have nourished your body and soul and not done anything you'll regret. You'll be better set to confront challenges.

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Definitely back the last two comments. Seems a lot of people overlook volunteering. Does the soul a lot of good to step away from life for a period and help someone simply because you’re able. 
 

The podcasts I mentioned a couple posts up have helped me tremendously, though it’s more a stress issue for me. Also another one that has become a favorite is https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tune-into-you-meditation-podcast/id1428668590

 

In regards to motivation / depression, there’s several Navy SEAL podcasts that I’ve found to be good entertainment and really motivating as well. For me, depression stems from stress, which can seems to usually go two ways for me... Either it sparks anger that I fuel into motivation when I’m feeling crushed or it sometimes saps motivation, which leads to depression. 
 

In any case, you won’t find a solution by drinking. Key to it is to break your cycle and cultivate the positives in your life. Step back for a few minutes and truly focus on the bigger picture. 

 

 

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Got a copy of the Secret book audio file. As mentioned previously, I'd been listening to the movie on Netflix at night before bed or early in the morning before sun up, just to focus my mind and sort of let the positive messages sink in. Being honest, I was pretty skeptical at first (I generally maintain a skeptical position by default), but the more I listen to the words, look up related topics and think it through myself, the more I believe in the essence of what they're saying. The book is actually better than the movie as far as audio. Its a bit more in depth and comes off a bit less hookie.

 

But the power of positive thinking, is more than just some bullshit saying you tell people that are depressed. There's a sort of universal truth to it that I think few people truly understand. Not implying I do myself, but when you consider how little modern science understands about the actual biology and physiology of the brain, you can imagine how much less than understand about the less tangible side of it. We've seen scientific, evidence based understanding of the placebo effect, as well as a great many examples of the power of the mind that continues to mostly go unexplained. We've seen how certain cultures have managed to achieve physical feats that should be impossible through a lifetime of training in meditation and other mental discipline. It's off that there's so little information on that sort of thing, as well as how it seems most of Western society actually dismisses stuff like that.

 

Anyhow, I've been slowly trying to wrap my head around the topic, but can absolutely say that the guided meditation stuff I mentioned in previous comments and simply listening to positive words, whether its the Secret or some Navy SEAL podcast discussing overcoming extreme adversity, has really done wonders at keeping my own mood / motivation in check. Call it a placebo effect if you want, but the way stress and depression can derail health and happiness is 100% a real thing and what I'm learning is that a lot of that can be controlled. Makes me wonder how much more the mind can control with proper exercising and discipline of the mental faculties that we otherwise largely ignore, if not outright dismiss.

 

Anyhow, I definitely recommend it to all you guys.

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I found this a bit ago  and to me it seemed like a very good visual to the truth oFC3FFF78-36B8-45BD-85CF-276AE920158B.thumb.jpeg.79520c0e691e6258fae5ace0792104b8.jpegf this.  The more you feed either side the greater it gets.  You really have to be conscious of which side you’re feeding.  

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