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Damn, hope everything turns out ok for you. 

 

I’ve always wondered about the concept of more “ethically strong” people joining the police force, one of those “if you don’t like something do something about it,” type situations.. Then we come down to Mercer’s argument about enforcing laws you don't believe in and so on, very complicated. 

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1 hour ago, Joker said:

Thanks for the honest, thoughtful answers. I see the thinking/logic behind what you're saying, but as an old white guy who recently went through some horrendous shit that forced me to sell my home to keep my family and myself safe, I wish there were more cops to enforce the laws. Had I took on the situation myself the outcome would have been very bad for me. As writers we're taught to handle shit when it shows itself, but some situations are out of our control... or I guess out of my control, maybe you guys dive in no matter what, I don't know. All that said, the comments about cops letting things slide when they're in their right 100% to take action is part of the problem I dealt with. When I confronted the cops about it they informed that they're one squad car that covers a 2 mile radius so they can't possibly be everywhere all the time, and as such have to prioritize. So even though me and my neighbors were dealing with real bad shit, it was low on the list of things to handle. That's no way to live, and I've heard that neighborhood has only gotten worse. And the way Portland is going, it's only going to get way, way worse. 

Feel for you and where you're coming from.  Good friend just got the hell out of PDX and even the surrounding area because people keep getting killed and such.

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It's a very grey subject.  To what @Jokersaid, I believe the cops are at times understaffed, but also quite under trained for the amount of different shit they have to respond to.  People take that job for different reasons, I'm sure plenty want to feel in control or be in control, and others want to do some good in the world by whatever personal definition they have of that.  There's definitely racists and assholes and the like because the cops come from mankind and mankind is full of racists and assholes and such along with the good peeps.

 

I've found some of the anti-police protests interesting in that some of them include chants of fuck the police, but other people have chanted shit like do your job.  Some of the same people who demonize the police when a minority is killed are the same people who are mad the police haven't caught the neighborhood rapist or whatever.  I guess my point is there is an expectation for the police to perform some basic duties even by people who openly state they have no trust or confidence in them, and that's kind of divisive thinking for one person.

 

Again, I'm neither pro nor anti.  There's certain shit that's unbelievable to me, like how the NYPD has avoided outside oversight in spite of a long record of serious corruption.  People are in the thread next door kicking tin foil hat conspiracies around when you have shit like this going on daily smh.  

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2 hours ago, One Man Banned said:

Feel for you and where you're coming from.  Good friend just got the hell out of PDX and even the surrounding area because people keep getting killed and such.

I've been here since 1994 and seen it go from not too bad, to really great, to bad, to really bad, to worse... and that trend is continuing. Every major city has it's growing pains but Portland has been growing very quickly and the leaders of this city have no idea how to handle it. As such, it's become a shit hole compared to what it once was. I lived in downtown for 20 years and finally reached a point where I couldn't wait to get out to the suburbs. Once I did I ran into even worse shit (as previously mentioned), and now I live just outside the city limits in an area that has it's own police force who prefer to handle even the smallest infraction as quickly as possible... and I have no problem with that.

 

It's been sad to watch Portland crumble beneath the feet of the very people who made it into what attracted people here in the first place, but that happens in every city. It's to be expected. Glad your friend got out when he did.

 

Sorry, I've derailed the conversation. Back to bad cops...

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Thankfully, I've never had to call the police myself, although I've been in situations I probably should have according to most. I just thought the ACAB moniker kind of fit the theme of the discussion. To be honest, I don't look down on any profession in general, while I know the system we have is severely flawed I also understand it's currently the only one we have and it currently serves an important purpose. I haven't had any run ins in over a decade now, and somehow have friends now that work in Law Enforcement. Some of the nicest people you'll ever meet, but I still notice shit like a forced entry kit and battering ram for doors in the back of their jeep and I wonder how much of what they do at work is truly ugly shit. I'm OK with it on some levels because none of us are perfect, but on other levels I feel it's worth examining.

 

So much of the conversation regarding this has been about race, and even as a minority myself I don't agree with that. I also don't think it has anything more to do with class than anything else, rich people have it better period. To me the problem lies with their claim of monopoly over enforcement, the fact you can't call anybody if a police officer raped you, beat you, or stole from you. Or if you called the cops and they just decided they weren't going to enforce the law there's no recourse. Instead of fighting crime, they spend most of their time, and effort enforcing their monopoly on violence, or enforcing the more lucrative victimless crimes. God forbid you defend yourself, or property on your own, you'd be the one in jail.

 

If we had to rebuild society today from scratch, do you think we'd do law enforcement the same way? Would we hand all the guns, and rights to enforce laws over to a very select few people, tell them they can charge whatever they want for their services, and set up inadequate mechanisms for their accountability? I'm not content with our current system, and I  hope to apply a consistent set of logic in the ACAB thread to illustrate my perspective on this subject. Not exactly my angsty 14 year old perspective on cops, but I still bump NWA and think to myself "He makes a good point".

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I think we’re slowly seeing more cops being held accountable. With smartphones in everyone’s hands its hard to deny it sometimes, obviously they also still find a way sometimes. There’s laws that can make an arrest real screwy to protect the cops as well. 

 

For instance, carrying some knives is not illegal in MA. However, carrying a knife while disturbing the peace or being arrested is (technically it’s carrying anything perceived as dangerous)... so you’re out there yelling at cars about the alien invasion and a cop stops you, boom, weapons charge, on top of whatever else obviously. Most of us know how that plays out. You get hit with 3-4 charges, you have a shitty lawyer, you plead out and they drop all but one charge and have a nice day. Probation, fines and fees, Merry Christmas. 

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12 hours ago, Mercer said:

@KILZ FILLZ wait, what? I've never heard that before from a libertarian perspective.

I hold a special hatred for police. 

 

Nobody is really signing up for that job unless they are out of opportunity. And they are signing up for a job to fuck with others with limited opportunity. That kind of betrayal is heinous. 

 

Exceptions - people who come from a family of cops (extra fuck you to them) and returning vets who don't have another avenue for their skillset (GI bill and Wounded Warrior placement will probably make this obsolete). 

 

 

Edit--this reads angrier than I am. I don't take it that serious. Got my own shit to worry about. 

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Here we have a case of police claiming a monopoly on force, so when you're relative is suicidal who do you call? It doesn't matter who you call because you'll get the police. They're not trained to deescalate situations, only confrontation and sometimes they kill the person, most of the time stuff like this happens.

 

 

 

So the victim then has a lawsuit against the police, and when the police do lose the taxpayers pay for it, it doesn't even come out of the departments budget. There's no accountability in most cases, and it's extremely rare for a cop to get locked up.

 

Imagine if the funds they set aside for police misconduct settlements/payouts were rolled into the police unions pension, and then taken out of the pension per settlement, or loss. Instead, our system has almost zero accountability. The cop in the video miraculously ended up getting charged for this, only after he got locked up for something they considered even worse, and they found this video on his phone after they arrested him then added it to his charges later. Mind you, the patient is handcuffed at the hospital, and they were already beating him before this torture video was shot, note the blood already on the bed.

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13 minutes ago, KILZ FILLZ said:

I hold a special hatred for police. 

 

Nobody is really signing up for that job unless they are out of opportunity. And they are signing up for a job to fuck with others with limited opportunity. That kind of betrayal is heinous. 

 

Exceptions - people who come from a family of cops (extra fuck you to them) and returning vets who don't have another avenue for their skillset (GI bill and Wounded Warrior placement will probably make this obsolete). 

It's probably less personal and more of a practical matter for me, but I've def been there. I don't question the personal motives, or their backgrounds as individuals any more. I only condemn the individual actions I'm convinced are unjust, and point toward a need for a system that has accountability.

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Anything for a conviction, even a false conviction.

 

What are the chances the cops responsible for this got in trouble after the judge found out what they did? 

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On 8/12/2019 at 3:38 PM, Mercer said:

It's probably less personal and more of a practical matter for me, but I've def been there. I don't question the personal motives, or their backgrounds as individuals any more. I only condemn the individual actions I'm convinced are unjust, and point toward a need for a system that has accountability.

I don't take it personal, fuck em all. 

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Officer Solomon Nhiwatiwa, 34, is charged with attempted kidnapping, pandering obscenity, disseminating material harmful to juveniles, assault, endangering children, child enticement, interfering with custody and public indecency. He is set to be arraigned on Monday. 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/08/cleveland-cop-urinated-on-12-year-old-girl-waiting-for-school-bus-while-recording-on-cellphone-prosecutors-say.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kidnapping.... 

 

 

 

 

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https://gothamist.com/2019/08/22/job_is_dead_nypd_cops_pantaleo.php

 

A cop was fired for choking a black guy to death (suspected of selling loose cigarettes). Proving police will go to any length to enforce almost any law no matter how minor. Not all cops is questionable, but there's no chance anyone pictured in this photo isn't a fucking tool with a hard on for gang violence of the state sanctioned variety.

 

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The fucked up thing is one of these rapists is (consensually) fucking an Assistant DA tied to the case. When the DA's office requested a special prosecutor because of this clear conflict of interest the judge became angry, said no, then signed off on letting these violent power abusing gang rapists get off with virtually zero punishment. This is clearly a rape, overwhelming physical evidence, no credible doubts have ever been cast on that fact.

 

They pull a car full of teens over, find weed, then proceed to kidnap this girl then both pigs proceed to rape her for a couple of hours. The girls friends that were with her followed the cops as the started to drive off with her in the van, and the cops called them from a blocked number saying they were going to arrest them if they continued to follow them. Notice it's not just the cops working together to break the law in this case, it's the entire system working together. The judge, the prosecutor that cut the deal, and the entire district attorney's office work together in a criminal conspiracy.

 

With police being caught on tape violating the law over, an over confidence in the justice system is at an all time low here. The word "Criminal" in "Criminal Justice" is increasingly used to describe the people actually running the so called justice system here in NYC. These men were caught red handed handcuffing, kidnapping, and raping an 18 year old girl. The corruption is so commonplace it's numbing.

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2 hours ago, Mercer said:

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Image making the decision to kidnap someone for saving their own dogs life.

Arrested for what exactly? 

 

Edit: nevermind, found the story. 

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I have certain moral objections to the current system of policing. With that said I'm all for worker's safety, and sometimes following inconvenient precautions to achieve said safety. I might not think the police are pursuing the right crimes and whatever, but feel like  I think police 100% have a right to self defense on the job, just like any other person should from a moral perspective.

 

With that said there are many instances where I end up looking at it from the pro-cop perspective, and actually agreeing with it. Sometimes even going against my own initial reaction to a video, after I give it some thought and think critically instead of emotionally. Here's a perfect example.

 

 

 

My first thought is the guy with the stick looked like a pussy and I'd have no problem with taking out myself using just my hands. IDK though, small chance dude could fuck me up but very slim. I initially thought the officers own laziness was to blame for another unnecessary death. Things aren't always what they seem though, and I ended up ended up clicking on this video below here, that went in depth on this video. I have to admit it changed my perception of this situation. 

 

 

 

 

To me it made sense, like I acknowledge the cop could have tried using hands, but realistically using hands against metal poles means you're going to have a short career if this is your job. If you're dealing with this type of shit on a regular basis sooner or later it catches up. Just like the safety training I've had, I'm sure just for workman's comp reasons alone he'd the cop would be trained to do exactly what he did.

 

Either way, this doesn't change my overall feelings on this subject as a whole like Police pursuing victimless crimes, and a lack of any reasonable accountability in law enforcement. I'm only saying I can understand how logic applies to this, and similar situations where theres a legitimate threat to a cops safety. There are situations where I think use of force is justified. Unfortunately there will always be criminals, and a realistic need to effectively minimize the damage they do somehow.

 

My main point is this video I flipped from blaming what I thought was a negligent officer, to giving them the benefit of the doubt.  Anyone else have thoughts on this guys breakdown?

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He threw out a lot of hypotheticals but not a single one of them mentioned mace 

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