Mercer Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Steve Irwin figured out a way to get millions of people around the globe concerned about native Australian wildlife, made enough money to set his family for life, never flinched even when snakes bit him in the neck, and died doing exactly what the fuck he loved. He deserves his own day. R.I.P. to a legend. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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One Man Banned Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Crikey! Good on ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Sorry to be a negative prick in a respectful thread but you're better off looking at this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Douglas_(documentary_maker) Irwin was a bit of a fraud and modeled himself off douglas for commercial success. He also wasn't the conservationist that he made himself out to be. He was famous in the US a longtime before Australians knew who he was. He was also accused by numerous knowledgeable people for using farm-raised crocs in his 'hunting' as they were more docile and were used to being wrestled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Damn man, you and Peta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mercer Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Peta taking huge L's on Reddit & Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Pffft..... you and the DEVIL!!!!! As many people here say crikey as drink Fosters. The man you're looking for is Malcolm Douglas. He was was the inspiration for the Crocodile Dundee movies. Irwin just ripped the the movie off for TV....., and gullible Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Wait, so you're saying Australians don't normally wear tan safari short suits, even while scuba diving, and don't walk around spitting Crocodile Dundee puns? I find that far fetched. Have you even seen American movies, or shows about down under? The proof is right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Dude, seriously, wake up. We don't do that shit. We're all hard-arse handsome cops that play by our own rules, live in trailers on deserted beaches dreaming about dead wives and hating on the Jews. Really, try not being so cliche, mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 And you listen to AccaDacca all day. This thread became entertaining. Unfortunately the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Did dude do some good? Yeah. Did he do some bad to get/stay there? Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) Ha, I fucking grew up on AC/DC. The Steve Irwin took my baby. . . Edited February 23, 2019 by Hua Guofang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Still think Steve Irwin did nothing wrong. Malcolm Douglas would have been just as obscure to outsiders, possibly even more so if it weren't for "frauds" (entertainers) like Steve Irwin, or Crocodile Dundee. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Steve Irwin raised awareness, and capitol to put towards conservation on a global scale. I'm sure Malcom Douglas was "the real deal" and could impregnate a 3000 pound saltwater crocodile in less than 60 seconds using just his bare hands, and viagra. With that said, what Steve accomplished was completely different, even though there's a small bit of overlap. Shortcuts in film production (including "reality" TV) save money, add value to the work being done, and allow for more impact when presenting the ideas he wanted to communicate. Had it not been for Irwins expertise in entertainment, filming, and charisma, which is ironically the very things he's being criticized for having too much of, there would be a very significant loss of interest in wildlife conservation worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I don't criticise him for being a businessman. I criticise him for being an 'environmentalist' when he vociferously supported a Prime Minister who was beholden to the mining lobby, a prime minister who did his best to screw people out of their land (especially the indigenous) and completely fucked a bunch of world heritage cites for political donations (same PM that fucked over asylum seekers from places like Iran and China - people who went against dictators - to win an election). Irwin kept animals in zoos for his own profit (not endangered animals, just beasts in enclosures) and simply faked the funk for the dollar. Seriously, his shtick was taking Aussie kitsch and selling it in Hollywood, noting else. If you want to praise him for being a successful businessman, I'll join you in that. But if you want to praise him as an environmentalist and conservationist, you've totally missed the play and bought the line. There are boatloads of people who have actually achieved a lot for conservation at great personal cost that don't have TV shows and deserve respect. This guy made bank and that's it. Not popular or attractive to hate on a popular myth. But that's what he was, some one who played on a stereotype and warm fuzzies for profit. But, as OMB said, he did do some good in this world, he had a really hot daughter. So, there's that, I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I tend to side more w/ you though Hua. There's been brief conversation over time on 12oz about nature, fuck zoos/aquariums, how to engage nature, etc. He did increase a lot of awarenes and shit like that. So did Sea World, but that doesn't make them right about how they do it. Also the reality show/production piece is true too. Kind of fucked up when you're trying to educate people on things but the reality you're presenting isn't quite real. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Hua Guofang said: I don't criticise him for being a businessman. I criticise him for being an 'environmentalist' when he vociferously supported a Prime Minister who was beholden to the mining lobby, a prime minister who did his best to screw people out of their land (especially the indigenous) and completely fucked a bunch of world heritage cites for political donations (same PM that fucked over asylum seekers from places like Iran and China - people who went against dictators - to win an election). No doubt, I'm sort of an expert on disdain for politicians myself. Almost everything they touch is soiled in my eyes. Most artists, intellectuals, entertainers know better than to align themselves with specific politicians, and instead promote the ideals themselves. Not familiar with the politician, but can agree. 1 hour ago, Hua Guofang said: Irwin kept animals in zoos for his own profit (not endangered animals, just beasts in enclosures) and simply faked the funk for the dollar. Seriously, his shtick was taking Aussie kitsch and selling it in Hollywood, noting else. His schtick was mostly doing stupid shit with dangerous animals, granted with an over the top on screen personality. You're right here again. As for caging animals, and harassing wild/prop animals against their will, that's a little more complicated than it appears on the surface. Overall animal suffering reduction due to his work (which is unquantifiable, but still exists), compared to the specific animals he interacted with's suffering, which also admittedly exists. There has to a be a ratio of harm reduction, to harm caused that results in an overall reduction in harm and I believe he's met that ratio. 1 hour ago, Hua Guofang said: If you want to praise him for being a successful businessman, I'll join you in that. But if you want to praise him as an environmentalist and conservationist, you've totally missed the play and bought the line. There are boatloads of people who have actually achieved a lot for conservation at great personal cost that don't have TV shows and deserve respect. This guy made bank and that's it. You'd have to agree that simply raising awareness by reaching 200 millions Americans with your antics had to have lead to some positive outcomes. Just by presenting wildlife conservation issues as a problem that viewers should also be concerned, and even passionate has to cause innumerable indirect positive outcomes. The small (and sometimes large) decisions, and actions millions of people make in their own personal lives are changed for the better. Not that I've missed the boat on him not being the true down under underground crock swamp fighting champ oner. We already know most of the shit going down when he's on camera is there for entertainment purposes, we don't care. We're entertained into our hypnosis with every "Crikey!" and fed positive thoughts on wildlife conservation subliminally. That's the entire point, and his success in this field has translated into a major positive impact, regardless of whether he slits a couple of koala throats along the way unnecessarily, or not. 1 hour ago, Hua Guofang said: Not popular or attractive to hate on a popular myth. But that's what he was, some one who played on a stereotype and warm fuzzies for profit. But, as OMB said, he did do some good in this world, he had a really hot daughter. So, there's that, I guess. I hear you, and to a certain point presenting your argument showed me a perspective I didn't know existed. With that said, I also realized Steve Irwin can be potentially as controversial as Americans dropping lame Paul Hogan imitations when you're mixing it up Australians. We'd gladly accept him as one of our own here if we can return Mel Gibson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Man Banned Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mercer said: With that said, I also realized Steve Irwin can be potentially as controversial as Americans dropping lame Paul Hogan imitations when you're mixing it up Australians. We'd gladly accept him as one of our own here if we can return Mel Gibson. AHAHAHAA!!! TRUE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massgraff Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 RIP Steve Irwin. I watched the uproar over the comment play out all day over IG. A lot of it by people seemingly barely old enough to have been alive when he was here. My thing is tho, isn't what peta said exactly what people said about him when he was alive??? I heard it in person, in stand up acts (don't ask who), Hell south park had an episode with him jamming his thumb up buttholes. Not saying he was a bad guy but even before they made this day for him i noticed peoples attitudes about him were noticeably more positive than when he was alive. I guess dying will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) Not me, his was one of the rare celebrity deaths I actually gave a fuck about. Almost when like when I didn't feel shit about Pac, & Biggie, but when Pun died I was upset about it personally, and thought about it like I knew him or something. I see Steve Irwin's kids now rocking the tan suits, and read his wife hasn't been on a date since he died. I almost feel like MJ did when I read that. *points at chest* It hit's me right here brother... Edited February 24, 2019 by Mercer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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