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Mercer Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) On 5/26/2020 at 12:07 AM, Hua Guofang said: This seems more like a self-congratulatory rant than a considered position. Some might say that's the way anyone who's expressing their own opinion sounds to others who do not share it. Especially when they illustrate why. Quote You've conflated expert opinion with mainstream positions and/or the official position, which is obviously erroneous. No, I'm not. You've somehow done this yourself and you're projecting. To you the mainstream position on this, and "expert" position on this is one and the same. How these so called "experts" are chosen as experts is an invalid process and I've explained why. I'd say the scientific community, or someone other than a politician would be the only people qualified to choose who the "experts" are. How do you define "expert"? Is it someone who's been focused on researching other COVID viruses, or someone who has credentials that meet a certain criteria that's garnered political clout, or is entertaining to watch on the television? Quote As an illustration of this, much of the time, in history, it is the experts who are going against the common sense or mainstream position. I have a problem with the word "expert" which is why I keep using quotes. What is a consistent way to define an expert applicable to people that ignores popularity or political clout and focuses on tangible qualifications? I mean this boils back down to how you view governance, and your position on the authoritarian VS libertarian Quote Honestly, this post is just a bunch of bias What's the problem with Bias? You don't Bias? Quote that I'm not sure how to respond to as you have a strong opinion on how the bureaucracy works without having any actual exposure to it I've grown up in the bureaucracy of the United States and believe it or not, I know more about it here in the U.S. than you do for sure and I'd bet my last bitcoin on it. Both parents were U.S. Army, and my father retired after 22 years, then went on to have a distinguished 20 year career working for the D.O.D. as a civilian. He's the only civilian that ever made Sig 3 till this day, a position normally filled by officers. Plenty of exposure having lived on Army bases for 6 years in Germany as a kid, and 3 years before that stateside. As a teen, I've been in and out of the juvenile justice system, 6 different facilities not including the overnight stays. Now, as an adult, I've earned a certain type of hard to obtain NICET (Engineering) certification, along with proprietary certifications which makes me the most qualified technician at both of my employers over this last decade to program life safety systems on Federal property. Not saying I'm the best, or more efficient, just the most qualified on paper. I've sat in on a $600 million "no bid" contract meeting with NYC government, the largest contract my former employer has ever "earned" till this day. We've installed state of the art life safety systems in every jail in NYC. It put me in the 6 figure a year club back in 2012 due to prevailing wages laws my Union passed. I'd say 1/3 of my time at work has been on government jobs, even now in Denver, Yesterday I spent 3 hours being escorted by Federal Marshals in the Federal Courthouse here in Denver for a job that would have taken me 15 minutes if it wasn't for "the bureaucracy" you feel you have more expertise on. Our countries are very different, I think it's dirtier here than most 1st world countries and I've got stats on that too. I'm not bragging, or denying your own expertise here, I'm just trying to demonstrate I've had a constant exposure. Much like yourself I have a distinguished career profiting from the bureaucracy based on my ability to navigate it, but unlike yourself, I also have a great deal of expertise on working/navigating the private sector, which gives me a useful comparison to measure the work I do for government against. Quote at the levels you refer to and you want use stats based on partial data. I'm not sure your position is credible. More credible than ignoring the data we do have. You don't see your place in this dichotomy, and in my opinion you're the one who's clearly biased. Trump could shit a gold brick that brought world peace and gave every socialist free shit, and you'd still find fault somehow and you know it. Not that I think he'll ever help a single person other than himself intentionally. Likewise, you'd straight up ignore the facts from multiple undisputed studies that consistently show less than 0.002 fatalities, but look at a cover from the NY times with 100,000 deaths out of a country of 330,822,304 people and base your own bias on that. We should focus all of our efforts on protecting people that actually need protection, not shoving 4500 patients into NY nursing homes to pump those numbers up and get more Federal funding. Quote My point is that expertise has its place. Of course, we should all, always use critical thinking and question all points. But if I'm going to make some decisions on asset safety (or whatever it is you do), I'm coming to some one like you to ask questions and get opinions. I might seek another expert for a second opinion and then make an informed and considered decision (did those guys know their shit, where they just trying to make a buck, what is their reputation like, are there any reviews, etc. etc.), but it will still be my decision. The same will be for medical, engineering, legal, etc. etc. I'm sure as fuck not going to take the word of some one whose read a couple of books and blog posts and decides that they have all the answers. My point is, you should make an informed decision for yourself using whatever method you see fit, and so should I. When it's voters, and politicians (who are completely unqualified in the vast majority of cases) making all my decisions for me based on zero research on their part, well, lets just say I'd prefer to make my own decisions and not enforce them on anyone other than myself. Quote Expertise is a starting point and sometimes you just gotta take some one's word for it. I sure as fuck don't want you up in the cockpit of the 747 telling the pilot what he's doing wrong because you read a book and played around on a mate's simulator. The way I see this situation here, and life is that we are not all in an airplane with qualified central authority that isn't replaceable like a pilot. We're all born into a self navigating spaceship, there is no cockpit, and each one of us is responsible for navigating through this beautiful mess ourselves. Only a nincompoop would refuse to think for themselves. I'd hate to live in a world where every decision I'm able to make for myself is forbidden, and controlled by a single person who choses their own "expert council" based on what will keep them in that position of power. Edited May 28, 2020 by Mercer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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