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abrasivesaint Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, Mercer said: All your math basically adds up to the same thing I'm saying, working class citizens would have to pay roughly double the taxes, and the majority of us would receive less care in the process. In short, the government can't magically increase the overall scarcity of a resource, it can only decides who's accessing it, and how much. How would working class people pay double the taxes? The Swedish model shows they’re paying less up front costs than the US, and they’re covered. Where in the US they’ll be more billing issues coming down the pike. I think the absolute basics should be covered, options should still be made available though. If someone wants to pony up the dough for that little extra or speedy care, then that’s an option. My current job has 3 tiers of health insurance. - Cheap, but you can’t decide your PCP (Primary Care Physician), and the PCP and hospital must refer you to any sort of specialty treatments or further care. All of which will remain in that particular hospitals cartel network. - There’s the middle tier, which costs a little more, but you get to decide on who your PCP is, and some degrees of extended care, and you can step outside of the healthcare network at a higher cost to you. - Then there’s the top tier. Top dollar to decide to go to whoever the fuck you want, wherever the fuck you want to go. Quote If you haven't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of unemployed Surgeons, Anesthesiologists, RN's, or medical technicians out there. You can't simply hire more, the costs for these services have to increase exponentially in comparison to output, as opposed to linearly. You can't simply hire 20% more qualified individuals at the same rate offered now. Compensation for these practitioners has to increase to encourage individuals to invest in the education, and other regulatory requirements needed to qualify for this type of work. Surgeons are getting paid regardless. Unless they make a colossal fuck up, they’re mostly good to go and their degree of care can vary. It takes a special type of person to handle most patient care positions in hospitals. It’s a constant shit show. Some of these people aren’t sticking around because the pay is great, they’re sticking around because they spent years in school learning about the field and this is essentially their only skill set at this point, and they’ve gone on to start families and such, and taking a risk on a completely new career simply isn’t worth the risk of not being able to feed their kids when they can go to work, collect a check they don’t think is adequate to the work conditions, but it’s juust good enough.. Yes, i’ve seen hospitals lose good staff members to other facilities because of lack of compensation, i was one of them. However, it takes years and years for these systems to POTENTIALLY correct themselves. Instead of offering incentives for staff to stay around, they eventually drive people (who can afford to leave) out, requiring them to hire more unqualified yet willing to work employees, while many good and qualified employees skate. If they can’t find employees, they bring in contracted travel technicians, which they pay exponentially more money for. When all they had to do was offer incentive and compensation for the good staff to stay. They handle business like any other shady organization that winds up in hot water. Pay the bottom dollar on everything until the shit is on fire and then act like you don’t know what the fuck happened. Place blame on lower tiered leadership roles, fire a few people, bring in consultants that bark orders from their desks, and those unfortunate enough to not be able to leave stick around and things get greased just enough that the cogs keep turning. Quote If you want the 20% or so of uninsured people to consume the same amount of healthcare services the majority of the insured are currently consuming, you've basically got two choices. Either reduce the services currently rendered to the vast majority of the working class, that are currently insured adequately, or you have to increase healthcare funding exponentially. It's usually a combination of both. Some of the 20% argument is under the assumption that simply because people who didn’t have healthcare, now do, that they’ll just be flocking to hospitals. Many people still avoid the hospital, regardless of whether they have insurance. Sometimes this is not wanting to pony up the deductibles and co-pays, sometimes it’s stubbornness. More people requiring healthcare would = more potential for jobs, would it not? 2 birds, one stone. I’d also argue that if schooling wasn’t so fucking expensive, you may see more medical staff furthering their careers and education, and there would be more doctors out there. There’s already shortages in staffing in hospitals everywhere. This isn’t for lack of applicants, but lack of hospitals wanting to pony up the money for the staff. Many doctor visits are simply to get referrals to go see other doctors, or for them to just write a simple prescription. This also leaves plenty of room for corruption and exploitation of the system by doctors and surgeons pushing treatments and surgeries that simply may not be needed. This isn’t a flaw that would be unique to universal government funded healthcare. The scam and the scheme is already happening. They’re already exploiting the system. If this system can use my taxes to fund more police, they can certainly find more nurses. Many citizens have no qualms with funding the police and military under the guise of communal safety, but the idea of funding communal healthcare is the attack on freedom. It’s nonsense. Quote What it boils down to is the obvious, it makes more sense to make yourself responsible for your own family, than funding anyone elses health care expenses. Once you throw in the Average Americans individual tax penalty for allowing a military industrial complex to bloat into the global police force, the additional burden of socialized medicine will undoubtably make the majority of working people into slaves. The threat of violence, kidnapping for daring to decide how to consume the majority of your own labor, and earnings as individuals looming over our heads. Peaceful people don't deserve this level of coercion. As if this is not already the case? People are working multiple jobs or longer hours simply to be able to afford the egregious bills that they have, and to have insurance that they can afford. If you’re not going to work, and not paying your taxes, we all know you don’t get too far. Unless you’re already in the protected classes of wealth, who dodge taxes, get laws written for them to dodge more taxes, and can already afford to set up business that’ll essentially run themselves so they don’t have to work. In many senses the worker has never not been a slave to the system. The cycle already exists. The few have always been the ones benefitting at the coat of the worker, the many. All under false pretenses that money trickles down and nonsense like that. That corporations who get to save more money, spend more money on their workers. It is not true in the vast majority of situations. Quote Quite frankly I'd rather be in line for welfare, than working all day only to get robbed more than half of my own earnings. What’s the difference with waiting in line for welfare and those same people waiting in line for healthcare? It’s the implementation of the same system. Except in this scenario, they actually have healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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