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On 8/4/2018 at 5:40 AM, Mercer said:

Many of us that are more savvy in the arts of online engagement realize if Instagram just stopped curating the feeds, and allowed you to view your timeline sequentially (with adds & sponsored posts injected here and there) it would be much more engaging. Not so much for your average user who doesn't even notice the top post in their feed was from yesterday, but for users like myself, or Allen who wouldn't mind investing some time in creating quality posts if their followers were actually allowed to see them.

Thing is that that this fucks up their business model. Its not just as simple as them selling ad space and juggling a formula of 1 ad for every xx posts... First of all buy curating feeds, they're capitalizing on the behavior patterns of addiction. Can't recall what thread it was where someone posted one of the co-founders (I think of Facebook) discussing this and all of us sort of in awe that nobody at Facebook has been thrown in jail yet (maybe someone who remembers the video can repost it here). Further, it also disguises the "fatigue" part of whats happening. Most people follow a ton of people so by remixing the feed, it disguises that most people aren't posting all that often anymore. Your feed feels new each time, because it keeps remixing the it each time. This allows it to be more compelling as you get the feeling your seeing what's new, but in reality its only new to you and often was posted hours or days ago. This gets mixed in with posts that are genuinely new to leave you with the overall feeling that its popping. Meanwhile, a lot of people are given priority and these are the accounts that are strategic to Instagrams growth, whether its a celebrity account that helps expand the base or a commercial account that is putting money into sponsored posts and playin the game the way Instagram wants it played. Those not following so many people or the power users that are spending more time looking at their feed than there is followed content to fill . it, will then note that more and more "explore" posts and recommendations start showing up, presumably so they follow more accounts, which in turn keeps the hamster wheel turning.

 

If you show posts chronologically, it literally fucks up the model and accelerates the decline of the platform.

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On 8/4/2018 at 12:05 PM, ~KRYLON2~ said:

I agree 100% that analytics kills creativity, when I worked on political campaigns we had apps like VAN (Voter Activation Network) that your canvassers could select answers to questions you would ask potential voters. based on this data collected you could determine what issues needed to be addressed in your constituency. but what a lot of people fail to recognize is that NUMBERS ARE ABSTRACT TO REALITY!!! sometimes following your intuition is the best road to follow. i believe the reason people value metrics so much is that you have a formula that helped you come to a final decision, and if your decision is wrong you can go back to the data and see where your metrics were off. whereas if you went with your intuition you would be held for full accountability for the success or failure of a decision. i think a 50/50 mix of data and intuition keeps the creativity valid in the decision making process if the information is available

I think this was a key element in what lost HRC the election. BO masterfully used tools like social media and analytics in his campaign and I think HRC (true to form) came at it from an arrogant position and the wild card presented by Trump was just the perfect storm of a situation to throw the DNC's data way off. I think they ignored all the obvious warning signs because they saw their data work so well when it can to getting BO into office. It's ironic (and disconcerting) that the DNC doesn't seem to have learned it's lessons from that experience and are largely doing the same thing that led to the dynamic that got Trump elected.

 

Also find it amazing that the media has the balls to tout polling numbers still after the embarrassment of how completely wrong all the polls were throughout the last election cycle. Very much goes to show how entrenched the status quo is and how easy it is to remain so when people seem to be content in continuing to either stay distracted or buy into the narrative they've chosen to follow.

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Interesting read. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just looking for shit like this to back my own position or if it really as common as I'm thinking.

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Fairly long read for this day and age, but still a smaller investment than catching up on this entire thread if you’re new. 

 

Really inreresting bit is how precisely it parallels what is being explored / considered / stated in the various comments of this thread. 

 

Beijg honest, I haven’t fully turned my back on Instagram (pretty much the only platform I’ve used for the last many years). But that said, for those of you following my personal account or even 12ozProphet, I’m sure you’ve noticed the steady decline in participation (unless you’re participation is also largely in decline). 

 

I will acknowledge that the forum, as is, needs to somehow evolve to more effectively bridge what was (deeper or more insightful, long form discussions) and what is (self gratuitous, extremely limited effort, easy to digest morsels of somewhat compelling content). 

 

At the same time, I’ve also realized and have heard the same from many others on here (ironically, most often by way of DMs on instagram), that it’s been surprisingly nice to reconnect on the forum and engage with each other on a deeper level. 

 

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I feel now we’re a few months into this *come back* and have a decent sized and consistent group on here. Obviously not huge, but definitely large enough that I feel a steady flow of community and certainly seeing regular comments / threads as I check in through out the day, every day. 

 

Im of the opinion, same as before when we started, that it’s still very possible to see the forum become huge again, but that it’ll take time and continued efforts with development and marketing / promotion. 

 

Would love to hear from some of you *regulars* as well as some of you guys I’d reached out to on Instagram to come back through and check out the new forum since we’re further along in this process. 

 

Whats been your experience?

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One of the reasons I find the debate surrounding this subject unproductive is the self censoring that has to take place. There’s no “getting to the root” of our differences, and nothing to be learned from listening to someone with an opposing view.

 

A lot of this has to do with one sides tendency to becomes immediately defensive (understandably) over anything that doesn’t follow their narrative that 100% of the problems of racial disparity are due to victimhood, and nothing else could be causing these differences. The other side which may or may not agree with political correctness privately, but isn’t brave enough to risk crossing those boundaries even when they’re obviously unproductive. What were left with is a stalemate, where neither side learns anything from the other.

 

 

Thats why I have a problem with “make statements when you’re not on the clock”. It’s obvious that has nothing to do with what’s at the core of the issue, and is unproductive. To the other side of the argument that’s in defensive mode, it comes off as disingenuous, they know there isn’t a single person actually triggered by employer/employee etiquette

 

 

 

What many of us are hoping for is a new Age of Enlightenment. Where honest discussion of complex subjects are welcomed, and have real results. 

 

This is podcast covers the enlightenment subject fairly well:

 

 

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All i know is that ben shapiro makes those triggered owned compilations that my edgy 14 year old cousin likes to send me

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Definitely a more steady flow of people on here. IT kinda goes in spurts though. Not consistent as it once was but still more content than I anticipated. 

Some of the more niche threads aren't as big but the general "your day in pics" type stuff is doing really well. Enjoy seeing different peoples lifes from around the globe that aren't competing for likes, just sharing. 

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I've thought about this a lot myself.  There was something really special about how things were before "social media" was even a phrase.  

I'm jumping in here kind of late but wanted to say that I appreciate your post @misteravenand share your perspective.  I respect that you've kept this site going regardless of the changes that have gone on with internet culture.  I think it is true that a lot of the people who have been around a long time are starting to get tired of where things are at now.  

 

Returning to forums is kind of odd feeling after being conditioned to think that anything that can't be taken in within a few seconds gets the tl;dr classification.  I personally have become increasingly tired of social media and have been recoiling back to earlier forms of communication.  Probably why I ended up checking back here.

 

Social media is really noisy and appears to have embraced narcissism and ego boosts without hesitation, not to mention the sharing of some of the most inane content.  That's not to say there are some good things about it as well.  But in general, its really loud and it gets pretty grating after a while.

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holy shittttttttttttt.............the problem with it is who decides what are good and bad decisions. what is the criteria for positive and negative social credits? Your basically taking away free will from people so they can base their ideals on what the government wants them to be.....unacceptable and super fuckin creepy. I could on about how terrifying this is, but lets see how it develops. 

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I meant for my last post up there to go in the Nike thread.

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Fucked up

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12 hours ago, Mercer said:

I meant for my last post up there to go in the Nike thread.

Report the post and throw a move request in the comment when it’s being reported. 

 

*Traveling at the moment and on my phone or I’d just go do it. 

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Without having read through the previous 6 pages (someone else might have already mentioned this), I think the large reason forums are dying is due to the consumers lack of focus. There's no secret that as the era of social media has developed, many people (not just kids) are losing the ability to sit down and read, say, a large 6,000+ character body of text. For this same reason, the book industry has been steadily decreasing throughout the years with this same principle of thought: It's just too much. 

 

With the creation of sites like Twitter, reducing any sort of information to just 250 characters has made it possible to get your world news for the day in about 10 minutes while sitting on the toilet. Reddit can be browsed in a similar fashion through just reading headline, watching GIFS, and then just scrolling through relatively short comments. Instagram boils down peoples lives to a single picture, which no one really spends more than 3 seconds looking at. Even news stations on TV are forced to have bottom scrollers, flashy transitions, and completely exaggerated titles in order to keep the attention of the viewer. Our entire culture at this point has reduced to bite sized connections so that we can always be moving, never sitting and digesting the life we are actually living.

 

I think your intro paragraph, Raven, would only be read by those who might have grown up with nothing else to do then read a book on a cloudy day. Even in the early days of the internet, the large bodies of text were so easily tackled since no one was distracted by the thousands of other fully optimized sites we have now.

 

We, as a culture, have lost the ability to simply sit and focus on one thing until completion. If text is too long, it becomes a hindrance on our seemingly important lives. How often do you find yourself mindlessly scrolling through instagram while sitting on the train/bus? There are very few moments where people just simply think. We have certainly devolved in this aspect, but I hope that places such as the oontz, with the incredible wealth of information and experienced people here, with see a resurgence due to our innate nature to learn, and develop social connections with others.

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I'd go so far as to argue that in an attempt to make it more conversational, its actually becoming less... twitter at its core is just void of essence

 

this thread, for example, is probably the most "realistic" representation of conversation you could have

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