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@IntangibleI think you certainly make some valid points, but I think it really boils down to the fact that meaningful relationships need to be built on something meaningful. It truly is as simple as that.

 

The interactions on Instagram are not meaningful. The platform simply limits that from having even the potential to occur. Its a steady stream of digestible content, no longer even curated by the individual themselves. You can follow whoever you want, but you're stuck seeing already abbreviated (consumable) content, that is now filtered and then also presented in an order that they've defined. How can a person find any meaning when its shallow to begin with, but then also happens to be spoon fed according to whatever method or agenda Instagram has deemed best for you. Then further ruining any potential towards meaning, is that the platform is dumbing down interactions to the point of literally a double tap. Because of the nature of mobile, we developed the "emoji" so we can express ourselves on the run, without the benefit of time or even the instrument to compose an articulate response, let alone a meaningful one. So where does that leave us.... Instagram.

 

Think about this... You guys have established meaningful relationships with each other to the point that many of us are back here picking up the pieces and rebuilding the community. Most of you have followed each other on Instagram as well, so you know what both sides of this coin are like. Do you believe that the people you've followed on Instagram only, that you do not know in real life, will be people you will still interact with 10 years from now? Do you expect many of those relationships will be people you're cool with enough that many will turn into meetups and road trips? 

 

We had something very special with 12ozProphet. Naturally it had good things and bad things, but the fact that so many of you stayed in touch even after the forum collapsed and years after its "dark era" so many of you stayed connected. So many of more of you are now greeting each other like the long lost friends you indeed are, as more and more people find out about all this and come trickling back. We were all really just kids trying to figure out life. None of this had a master plan and I can tell you for fact, there was never any corporate investors, consultants or business plans. (maybe if there had been it would have become Instagram). My point is that, its an amazing thing to look back on all that came from the old forum and honestly, it's almost more amazing that what we did as dumb kids here on the 12ozProphet forum, having fun and trying to understand what life was about was so meaningful that we might actually have a chance at rebuilding this community again today.

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In case people have been distracted and forgot that you're being tracked, followed and monetized by Social Media / Tech (and who knows how many other people.

 

Bummer to find out Apple doing it too when they seemed to be putting out so much messaging claiming respect for privacy.

 

Facebook Said It Wasn't Listening to Your Conversations. It Was.

Facebook's excuse? All the other tech companies were doing it, too.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjw889/facebook-said-it-wasnt-listening-to-your-conversations-it-was

 

 

Apple contractors 'regularly hear confidential details' on Siri recordings

Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings

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Almost done with this book also. It's a good read and a good reminder about community. Loved Bobby's blog back in the day, never much into their prints tho/ also hard AF to cop downunder back in the day.

 

Anyone else been noticing a bunch of music coming out calling out social media and the internet? I know that Post Malone just did one with Kanye, Tom McDonald is rapping about people being buttholes online and A Perfect Circle had a recent single that touches on it too.

 

I don't know what it all means but it's definitely being talked about imho.

 

Perhaps I'm overthinking these tho.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/15/2019 at 9:09 AM, misteraven said:

In case people have been distracted and forgot that you're being tracked, followed and monetized by Social Media / Tech (and who knows how many other people.

 

Bummer to find out Apple doing it too when they seemed to be putting out so much messaging claiming respect for privacy.

 

Facebook Said It Wasn't Listening to Your Conversations. It Was.

Facebook's excuse? All the other tech companies were doing it, too.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjw889/facebook-said-it-wasnt-listening-to-your-conversations-it-was

 

 

Apple contractors 'regularly hear confidential details' on Siri recordings

Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings

Amazon too.  I see people shilling for smart speakers all the time.  Not sure why I should spend +$100 for amazon to be able to market to me constantly.

They need human interpretation to fine tune the machine learning to help it grasp context, and some of the things that people overhear are so upsetting that the employees have created places online where they can decompress and share horror stories because they aren't allowed to report anything to authorities.  So you can buy ass wipe easier.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/amazon-workers-eavesdrop-amazon-echo-clips/587110/

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Definitely haven’t skimmed the thread yet. However, I’ll go out on a limb and say that all of this probably connects the dots between wether or not 2 people who have never met irl but constantly interact via social media hardly ever say a word in person if given the opportunity🤷🏽‍♂️. Perhaps i’m off base. Either way it’s definitely had a negative impact on life as we know it. I know that personally I am guilty of this malarkey. Exchanging likes and comments and messages for years on end and freezing up like a statue irl. 

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So with this recent Instagram update they've done away with the activity feed half where you get to see what people you follow are liking and commenting on. 

 

Why would they do that, you ask?

 

Because everyone is dropping off and its getting harder to disguise it. As I believe I already mentioned (can't recall anymore), they made some changes a while back where now they repeat the same posts in your feed. More recently, they updated the activity feed where you get activity alters for something that occurred in your own feed more than once. So if you get a comment, they'll keep pushing alerts about it more than once, within 24 hours to make it seem like stuff is happening. If you scrutinize the new activity, you quickly see that its the same thing you already got alerted to and checked out previously. Now they're hiding other people's activity to mask the fact that its not just you that slowed down, but everyone else as well.

 

Getting harder and harder for them to find new ways to hide the fact that Instagram is in a death spiral. Nail in the coffin will be for all the people that are truly addicted to the endorphine rush that comes with people 'liking' their posts as well as all the FOMO, to find a replacement for Instagram. 

 

I'm still hearing about businesses that are clueless and chasing an outdated marketing and promotion strategy that was once well serviced by social media, but likewise, I'm also hearing of many others that are at a loss as they see what's happened but are unsure what the next move is. Regardless, we're seeing the beginning of the end.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, misteraven said:

So with this recent Instagram update they've done away with the activity feed half where you get to see what people you follow are liking and commenting on. 

 

Why would they do that, you ask?

 

Because everyone is dropping off and its getting harder to disguise it. As I believe I already mentioned (can't recall anymore), they made some changes a while back where now they repeat the same posts in your feed. More recently, they updated the activity feed where you get activity alters for something that occurred in your own feed more than once. So if you get a comment, they'll keep pushing alerts about it more than once, within 24 hours to make it seem like stuff is happening. If you scrutinize the new activity, you quickly see that its the same thing you already got alerted to and checked out previously. Now they're hiding other people's activity to mask the fact that its not just you that slowed down, but everyone else as well.

 

Getting harder and harder for them to find new ways to hide the fact that Instagram is in a death spiral. Nail in the coffin will be for all the people that are truly addicted to the endorphine rush that comes with people 'liking' their posts as well as all the FOMO, to find a replacement for Instagram. 

 

I'm still hearing about businesses that are clueless and chasing an outdated marketing and promotion strategy that was once well serviced by social media, but likewise, I'm also hearing of many others that are at a loss as they see what's happened but are unsure what the next move is. Regardless, we're seeing the beginning of the end.

 

 

Using my browser to sign in, and check an IG link, checked the feed and first 3 page loads had the same days old thirsty thot selfie as first post. I stopped clicking likes on thot photos, and haven't for years since I got called out for it. I think they look at what you stop scrolling and look at now to tell what to feed you. Smells of desperation, like a dumb bitch trying to tell me everything she thinks I want to hear.

 

Also, I know quite a few people that have placed too much of their professional eggs in the IG basket. They're complaining, but still in a state of denial as if it's just a temporary dip. Metrics appear to be going up but the conversion rates are dropping off. The moment I hint towards IG becoming obsolete, the conversation reels back to, yea, but I mean everyone is on it so...

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49 minutes ago, misteraven said:

So with this recent Instagram update they've done away with the activity feed half where you get to see what people you follow are liking and commenting on. 

 

Why would they do that, you ask?

 

Because everyone is dropping off and its getting harder to disguise it. As I believe I already mentioned (can't recall anymore), they made some changes a while back where now they repeat the same posts in your feed. More recently, they updated the activity feed where you get activity alters for something that occurred in your own feed more than once. So if you get a comment, they'll keep pushing alerts about it more than once, within 24 hours to make it seem like stuff is happening. If you scrutinize the new activity, you quickly see that its the same thing you already got alerted to and checked out previously. Now they're hiding other people's activity to mask the fact that its not just you that slowed down, but everyone else as well.

 

Getting harder and harder for them to find new ways to hide the fact that Instagram is in a death spiral. Nail in the coffin will be for all the people that are truly addicted to the endorphine rush that comes with people 'liking' their posts as well as all the FOMO, to find a replacement for Instagram. 

 

 

Just jumped in here because i find 12 pages of discussion a bit daunting but noted this post and checked

 

 

wow this latest development is a kick in the balls for those of us who like to find new accounts with good stuff.

 

It was handy to find those aggregator style accounts ( oldschoolitaly, Bestofswedenoldschool,  or whatever) more passively without having to type in details

 

At  least it means my wife can't see that I liked . 7 of  "Honeybooty404077777:"'s noods.

 

 but how am I going to find Honeybooty404077777 if i can't see that my mate liked a shot? 

 

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13 hours ago, Mercer said:

Metrics appear to be going up

Fake news and fact is I'm seeing the same small uptick. Instagram is showing the same content over and over again, so would make sense that people are seeing a little uptick. Completely meaningless as far as all else I'm seeing. Part I'm not quite understanding is why they're still pushing that heavy handed algorithm and not showing content to your full range of followers. Only explanation I can come up with is if they do it, it sort of wrecks the pay to play business model they have.

 

Either way, the shit is done. Many would argue it died ages ago when Facebook bought Instagram. Perhaps true, but shit is clearly on its way out even with the benefit of a government backed unfair competitive advantage and documented addictiveness to it.

 

Anyone feel like whipping out their crystal ball and predicting what the next era of online life will look like? I'm not talking Minority Report far off the deep end shit or Musk brain implant shit, but more what the next few years might look like?

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Thank god they did away with that feature that allows you to see what others are doing. Fuck I want someone knowing who I’m commenting on for?

 

I hate what social media is doing to society, but I also realize that when I don’t pay attention to it, the world still goes on. I’m kinda trying to focus on that shit for a while. 

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33 minutes ago, seeking said:

Thank god they did away with that feature that allows you to see what others are doing. Fuck I want someone knowing who I’m commenting on for?

 

I hate what social media is doing to society, but I also realize that when I don’t pay attention to it, the world still goes on. I’m kinda trying to focus on that shit for a while. 

Definitely been a wild ride man... Never could have predicted it back in the days when we were kids trying to figure out how to import zRussian brides.

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22 hours ago, seeking said:

Thank god they did away with that feature that allows you to see what others are doing. Fuck I want someone knowing who I’m commenting on for?

 

I hate what social media is doing to society, but I also realize that when I don’t pay attention to it, the world still goes on. I’m kinda trying to focus on that shit for a while. 

I never check what my friends are liking.. I feel I’m the odd one out thought. Def strange to me that people would even want to do that. Must be pretty bored. 

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I used to occasionally. Mostly to get turned on to new feeds. But then it came to be that people were just auto liking specific individuals as a sign of support rather than liking things cause they were actually good. 

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2 minutes ago, Mercer said:

So, I haven't fucked with IG for years now, but recently decided I no longer wanted it to look like I follow accounts I no longer had any interest in. Just didn't want to add to their metrics as a "follower".

 

Nike is one of these accounts, great shoes and gear, but I didn't want to follow for several reasons. I honestly liked when they stood up for Kapernic, even though as a minority I think police violence is a policing problem, as opposed to a racial thing but whatever.  One thing I'm really big on is free speech no matter if I agree or not, so was kind of glad they sponsored Kapernic just from the free speech perspective alone.

 

Now that Nike has exposed themselves as fake, by censoring athletes from speaking out on China, that changed my perspective. Clearly I'm 100% for the Hong Kong protesters, so fuck Nike (I'll still wear their shit though) but I'm not going to make myself availiable for their marketing campaigns, and def don't want to look like I am. Decided I should unfollow, so I logged into IG via my desktop web browser because I refuse to install IG (or any other spyware) on my phone and unfollowed the official Nike account.

 

That's when a weird thing happened, my account automatically re-followed them. I was scrolling for other accounts I no longer wanted to follow, and noticed a Nike post. WTF? So I did some experimenting by unfollowing several verified accounts. Half of them wouldn't allow me to unfollow, no matter what I did, I eventually ended up blocking those accounts, at least blocking them finally worked.

 

Here's proof:

 

 

 

Anyway, I unfollowed close to 75 accounts this morning before I left, mainly targeting the verified ones which is bullshit to begin with. Why are some accounts verified, and other's aren't? It's using the platform to play favorites. I ended up blocking every verified account that I couldn't unfollow, which was a little more than half the verified accounts.

 

Hard time believing this is just me, or a technical error. Out of curiosity, if any of you have IG on your phone are you able to unfollow verified accounts?

 

Dropping this in here since it's in line with/relevant to the conversation in this thread.

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Add me to the list. Deleted the app from my phone a few wks ago didn't delete acct tho.

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As people are bucking back against FB and Twitter, and now Reddit is owned by China and pretty much openly censoring shit, I can see a resurgence of forums being a possibility. The people need a place to communicate and this seems like the way. 

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Likely to have already been discussed but figure some here might appreciate:

 

Facebook isn’t free speech, it’s algorithmic amplification optimized for outrage

 

This week Mark Zuckerberg gave a speech in which he extolled “giving everyone a voice” and fighting “to uphold a wide a definition of freedom of expression as possible.” That sounds great, of course! Freedom of expression is a cornerstone, if not the cornerstone, of liberal democracy. Who could be opposed to that?

The problem is that Facebook doesn’t offer free speech; it offers free amplification. No one would much care about anything you posted to Facebook, no matter how false or hateful, if people had to navigate to your particular page to read your rantings, as in the very early days of the site.

 

But what people actually read on Facebook is what’s in their News Feed … and its contents, in turn, are determined not by giving everyone an equal voice, and not by a strict chronological timeline. What you read on Facebook is determined entirely by Facebook’s algorithm, which elides much — censors much, if you wrongly think the News Feed is free speech — and amplifies little.

 

What is amplified? Two forms of content. For native content, the algorithm optimizes for engagement. This in turn means people spend more time on Facebook, and therefore more time in the company of that other form of content which is amplified: paid advertising.

 

Of course this isn’t absolute. As Zuckerberg notes in his speech, Facebook works to stop things like hoaxes and medical misinformation from going viral, even if they’re otherwise anointed by the algorithm. But he has specifically decided that Facebook will not attempt to stop paid political misinformation from going viral.

 

I personally disagree with this decision, but I think it’s something about which reasonable people can disagree. However I find it deeply disingenuous to claim that this is somehow about defending free speech. If someone were to try to place a blatantly false political ad on any platform or network, would anyone seriously consider a decision not to run that ad an attack on free speech? Of course not. And they shouldn’t take the converse argument seriously either.

 

The larger issue, though, is that Facebook seems to think that if an algorithm is content-agnostic, it is therefore fair. When Zuckerberg talks about giving people a voice, he really means giving those people selected by Facebook’s algorithm a voice. When he says “People having the power to express themselves at scale is a new kind of force in the world — a Fifth Estate,” what he actually means is that Facebook’s algorithm is itself that Fifth Estate.

 

The belief is apparently that any human judgement based on content beyond the absolute minimum required by law and implied by the social contract — i.e. filtering out hate speech, abuses, or dangerous medical misinformation, all of which he stresses in his speech — is dangerous and wrong, and that this goes for both native content and paid advertising. According to this belief, Facebook’s algorithm, so long as it is content-agnostic, is definitionally fair.

 

And that belief is just flat-out wrong. As we’ve all seen, “optimizing for engagement” all too often means optimizing for outrage, for polarization, for disingenuous misinformation. True, it doesn’t mean favoring any side of any given issue; but it does mean favoring the extremes, the conspiracy theorists, the histrionic diatribes on all sides. It means fomenting mistrust, suspicion, and conflict everywhere. We’ve all seen it. We’ve all lived it.

 

Facebook’s decision to accept political ads regardless of content is essentially a logical extension of how their algorithm optimizes for engagement. It speaks to their belief that as long as they don’t pass judgement based on content, their ongoing, ceaseless editing of what people see and don’t see — and please call it censorship if you think this is any way about freedom of speech — is therefore fair and just. This belief was defensible ten or even five years ago. It is not defensible today.

 

But it is also not going to change. Facebook’s original sin is not political ads; it is optimizing for engagement so that their users see more ads of all kinds. That’s what needs to change for Facebook to become a positive force in the world … and it’s also what never will, because that engagement is the fundamental engine of their business model.

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Been thinking on this thread title... I think the point I’m going to make can be seen in the posts within this thread. 
 

typing out long drawn out responses is a bitch on a smart phone. I think I can tell who oontzes on a computer by how long their posts are lol. 
 

 

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