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The Off Grid living thread (Dropping out the rat race)

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Little things from how to fall trees, buck wood, cure wood, start fires, bank fires, maintain chimneys, etc. make a huge difference in the scale of how off-grid you want to be. It doesn't inherently mean "loner" or "wholly self reliant" but the less reliant you are on others, the better you'll do.

 

Being basically handy is essential, but understanding how every normally "gridded" system in your life works and how to do basic maintenance on it will set you up for better successes. 

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@ndvI pick up a magazine, i think its quarterly, called modern pioneer or american pioneer or something. They have all kinds of articles on what kind of knife blade you use for what, how to build traps, how to make your own clothes and things of that nature. Its a pretty good resource and probably everything you are looking for. 

 

Im leery of a lot of these blogs from preppers and wilderness off gridders claiming to live a primitive lifestyle but some how have a reliable internet connect to keep up with an online presence. People spouting off information as fact that doesnt have any practicality in its application.

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12 minutes ago, mr.yuck said:

claiming to live a primitive lifestyle but some how have a reliable internet connect to keep up with an online presence

So I am not the only one who thought this while reading some of these blogs which ultimately put distrust in internet searches and decided to ask 12oz.  

 

Thanks for the tips on the publications.  I have a pdf copy of the anarchist cookbook but I have a strong feeling knowing how to hack a vending machine is gonna help fending off a bear or pack of wolves.  However, learning how to make explosives might help tenderize and cook meat all at once. 

 

Sounds like I have a whole lot of reading to do.  

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4 hours ago, ndv said:

For a couple of years I have been thinking about the whole homesteading thing and I get excited when I watch life below zero.  I am not sure what it is about isolation but it excites me.  I guess the excitement stems from being an extreme introvert... but anyhow, I am bored of what I do and no longer want to keep doing it, I am single, no kids, and ready to make a change in my life.   

 

I have boiled it down to two options I would like to pursue and I hopefully by summer of 2021 I will being a ranch hand somewhere in the north US or living in the wilderness in alaska some where in total isolation.

 

So with that being said, my question right now is, does anyone know/have a good lead where I can start educating myself for living in alaska?  

 

Talk about dropping out of the rat race.  I am ready to completely fall off the face of the earth for my next 40 years of life.  

I posted a week ago in the screenprinting thread that we were looking to bring people on. Obviously the apocalypse has shit complicated right now, but DM if you’re interested in maybe heading to NW Montana and doing a combo of screen printing and ranch work. 

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3 hours ago, ndv said:

I appreciate the advice, @Fist 666 

 

I came across a few blogs, couldn't distinguish if the bloggers were off the grid seasonally (summer home) or are hard core.  

 

Right now I am just thinking logically about what I think I will need  and seeds, a lot of seeds come to mind, I also thought about hunting as well so I was thinking what are going to be the best tools for that.  And for now I am thinking bow/crossbow is going to be the best bet as it may be more sustainable to make and retrieve an arrow than having to chase down the resources to make or purchase bullets.  

 

I guess with that being said. Kinda tells you how remote and isolated I wanna be.   

 

But you're right, I am going to have to learn few things first.   

Having a bow is great but that’s not something you just pickup and put food on the table with. It’s a hell of a skill and takes a lot of time and dedication, as well as quality equipment. Same can be said for guns but I’d bet the learning curve isn’t quite as steep. Either way, you’ll need a good gun (likely, several). Ammo will be the least of it. You don’t take that many shots while hunting so ammo isn’t going to be an issue. If there’s anything you’ll learn about self sufficiency, is that it’s synonymous with preparedness. 

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Ripping on OMB's steez, but I'm too lazy to crop out these obnoxious watermarks and time stamps.

 

This cam is set up right my by bear can (a locked jobox) in the last switchback of my driveway so it acts a security cam for me to see if any vehicles have come up to the house that shouldn't have. 

 

Not really stoked to see the coyotes up here as they'll go after a dog potentially.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Fist 666 said:

Ripping on OMB's steez, but I'm too lazy to crop out these obnoxious watermarks and time stamps.

 

This cam is set up right my by bear can (a locked jobox) in the last switchback of my driveway so it acts a security cam for me to see if any vehicles have come up to the house that shouldn't have. 

 

Not really stoked to see the coyotes up here as they'll go after a dog potentially.

Would prop you twice if I could.  Been hanging on to a few flix myself but was beginning to think no one gave a fuck.  Truthfully I only edit out watermarks and stamps to remove needless personal info from the webz.  Post more.  My dog mostly sticks to the yard, and the wild beasts mostly stick to the woods, but I carry an air horn outside if the dog is w/ me in the event our paths should cross.  I wouldn't worry as much about a solo coyote if you're with your dog unless your dog is the type to want to run up and investigate.

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Same general group posting in here it seems, but maybe this question will open things up a little...

 

For those of you living urban / suburban... After being locked in your house for three months from a pandemic to now waking up to cities in fire... Wondering how many might be rethinking their lives and the merits of living in cities? 
 

This is a jibe or criticism. Respectfully curious... What makes you want to keep living as you do, especially seeing how things seem to be trending these days?

 

I know @Kults has shifted about half way since when we last discussed. Die hard city guy that’s now rethinking things. 
 

What are people’s thoughts now that we’re closing on the mid point of the shittiest year in recent memory, that just happens to be the latest in a string of shitty years?

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35 minutes ago, misteraven said:

Same general group posting in here it seems, but maybe this question will open things up a little...

 

For those of you living urban / suburban... After being locked in your house for three months from a pandemic to now waking up to cities in fire... Wondering how many might be rethinking their lives and the merits of living in cities? 
 

This is a jibe or criticism. Respectfully curious... What makes you want to keep living as you do, especially seeing how things seem to be trending these days?

 

I know @Kults has shifted about half way since when we last discussed. Die hard city guy that’s now rethinking things. 
 

What are people’s thoughts now that we’re closing on the mid point of the shittiest year in recent memory, that just happens to be the latest in a string of shitty years?

For me, it's almost 100% based on the financial incentives present in a larger, more competitive job market. I've tried to hit the sticks, demand for someone with my extremely specialized skillset is low, almost non existent in your neck of the woods. Best I could do is 1/2 of what I'm earning now (total compensation) here in a booming urban economy. This coupled with the fact the cost of living is actually less for me here (no vehicle expenses, housing prices are virtually identical, virtually unlimited options for employment) makes it a no brainer. I'll be buying property in a semi rural, suburban area that's maxed out on expansion due to the terrain, working in the city, and letting my employer cover my commuting expenses via a company gas card and brand new vehicle.

 

Not sure if any of that makes sense, but the overwhelming majority of people don't have the access to resources required to make a move to a rural area. Most of us on this board would make terrible farm hands, and can't thrive, or even survive off from seasonal/low wage employment at this point. That's not to say I'm doing everything I can to establish financial independence, but realistically most of my goals require a higher than normal income level, which is highly unlikely in a rural area, but virtually guaranteed for me here. I also understand the cons of living in an urban area and we most likely agree on most of them. Combined, these cons do not outweigh the pro's of being able to retire early, and establish financial independence. 

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Before we bought our house a few years ago, we were looking to buy land up to an hour away from the nearest metro area and the land itself wasnt affordable. Its crazy that since this area is bordered by water everywhere there is only one way for expansion and that is inland. So with expansion pushing outwards places that were rural woods and 2 lane roads 10 years ago are now fully developed strip malls for the new shitbox communities to go spend their extra money. 

 

My worst fear is buying a piece of land an hour out to build my dream retreat only to have it converted into another suburb. I dont know how far I would have to go before this wasnt an issue anymore.

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I'm one of the people who will require both. It's weird to think about it though. I say that shit all the time and then I take a moment to think about all the city ass shit that I don't even do. Every year, things get more and more confusing. The truth is I guess I'm just not at the point in life where I can definitively say where I want to be or not be. 

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On 5/30/2020 at 9:21 AM, Mercer said:

Not sure if any of that makes sense, but the overwhelming majority of people don't have the access to resources required to make a move to a rural area. Most of us on this board would make terrible farm hands, and can't thrive, or even survive off from seasonal/low wage employment at this point. That's not to say I'm doing everything I can to establish financial independence, but realistically most of my goals require a higher than normal income level, which is highly unlikely in a rural area, but virtually guaranteed for me here. I also understand the cons of living in an urban area and we most likely agree on most of them. Combined, these cons do not outweigh the pro's of being able to retire early, and establish financial independence. 

I think that's getting quickly outdated. Internet made it possible for people to make money from anywhere. I know two people puling in near or over 6 figure incomes per month (yes, month!) from out here. Both are self made and both came up thanks to the internet. Yeah, I know not everyone is as savvy and maybe these guys also had a little luck on their side, but its happened often enough that it clear that it can be engineered. Working on exactly that myself.

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On 5/30/2020 at 7:35 PM, mr.yuck said:

Before we bought our house a few years ago, we were looking to buy land up to an hour away from the nearest metro area and the land itself wasnt affordable. Its crazy that since this area is bordered by water everywhere there is only one way for expansion and that is inland. So with expansion pushing outwards places that were rural woods and 2 lane roads 10 years ago are now fully developed strip malls for the new shitbox communities to go spend their extra money. 

 

My worst fear is buying a piece of land an hour out to build my dream retreat only to have it converted into another suburb. I dont know how far I would have to go before this wasnt an issue anymore.

I have the EXACT same fear.  I think you really have to just judge the city.  I live in a "cool" city so it's growing like stupid fast.  45 minutes out of downtown austin isn't far enough right now.  I think you'd have to move 1.5h out of town to be safe for the remained of your life span..... depending on where you live now.

 

My biggest gripe, I know, already is going to internet speeds that suck..... but maybe by that time the muskrat satellite internet system will be working and available for civilians.

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3 hours ago, misteraven said:

I think that's getting quickly outdated. Internet made it possible for people to make money from anywhere. I know two people puling in near or over 6 figure incomes per month (yes, month!) from out here. Both are self made and both came up thanks to the internet. Yeah, I know not everyone is as savvy and maybe these guys also had a little luck on their side, but its happened often enough that it clear that it can be engineered. Working on exactly that myself.

This.  I fully intend to live in a rural setting and continue to make money doing tech work remotely.

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2 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I have the EXACT same fear.  I think you really have to just judge the city.  I live in a "cool" city so it's growing like stupid fast.  45 minutes out of downtown austin isn't far enough right now.  I think you'd have to move 1.5h out of town to be safe for the remained of your life span..... depending on where you live now.

 

My biggest gripe, I know, already is going to internet speeds that suck..... but maybe by that time the muskrat satellite internet system will be working and available for civilians.

Ive been dreaming of moutain towns in the Appalachias in western Virginia. Its beautiful up there but I dont know. That shit might be too banjo for my tastes. The last time I was out that way, I saw one too many roadside tent church revivals with healing snakes for my liking.

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The argument here being the bear may have been a female protecting its cubs.

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