Guest imported_Tesseract Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 OK, some of you seen it some of you heard about it. I'm talking about that animation patent thats been instaled in the london subway(at first) and in many euro subways later. It works like this: You're on the train lookin out the window, and on the wall at your side there are these lighting signs, each one is a frame and as you see them with the speed of the train and your eye focused on the only bright thing, you see a lil movie. I hope you know what i'm talking about. Now, i know some people in here work with movies and know stuff(ghhhhhmm, zesto?) some others may have read about it or even have a nice link/book/article whatever. I'm mostly interested in the frame rate and the number of frames(signs) that is required, anyone? thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkaline Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Film quality animation (a la Disney) is 24 frames per second. Lesser quality animation is done in 12 frames per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT! There is a water one on the train. I wanna put one up so bad, please get this man a link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NATO Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 its not a subway its called the tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 its the tube on the subway, cheesedick Akaline, so i think 12 would work. Now...what about the frequency? lets break it down, we have 5 secs of filmed material which is 60 frames and the train is going at about 60km/h(30miles?) how much length that should have, what would be a good spacing between the frames? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkaline Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 You're going to have to do a little bit of math and measurment if you are planning on doing what it sounds like you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Its all hypothetical bro,:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Now...what about the frequency? lets break it down, we have 5 secs of filmed material which is 60 frames and the train is going at about 60km/h(30miles?) how much length that should have, what would be a good spacing between the frames? oh my god i just had a flash back to the dreaded fourth grade word problems....dont ask me im hiding under my desk waiting for recess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkaline Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I just got booted from my computer ... I hate it when that happens. How big are you planning on making each individual "frame"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkaline Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Okay, I think I might have figured this out ... At 60 km/h (37.28 mi/h), with 12 frames/second, for 5 seconds, you would need a total length of 273.4 feet. Each frame would be 4.557 feet long. You are going to have to do some kind of prototype or test of some kind to see if this actually works right, but I think that should do it. Go to the library and check out a couple of books on animation. I'm sure there are tons of books that teach you how to make a slot wheel animation (I don't think that's the traditional term for it, but I think you know what I'm talking about). Since that's basically what you are doing with this subway tunnel, this could be a really good way to test your animation on a scaled level. I dunno ... do some experiments. Also, there has to be a company that is making and installing these advertising frames in the tunnels. Try to get in contact with them. Say that you are running a story on the science and design of these ads for your "design school newspaper." Ask tons of questions. This will be a good way to get information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 *edited, you're the king, thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NATO Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 its actually the tube in the underground. http://www.dsv.su.se/~mats-bjo/bean/b-nerd.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr430n5_666 Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 http://www.netgoth.org.uk/people/736.jpg'> "interesting?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 man, I can't believe I missed this thread... I remember hearing about this about 6 years ago, when it was in the planning stages... ever since I have dreamed of the 'live action bomb'... perhaps one day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Dude! I cant believe you found that thread!...Btw, same here, i see these coca cola ads everyfuckin day in the subway, i want that spot so bad!...i even though about doing it legaly..but that just doesnt cut it...after the olympics maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest uncle-boy Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest platapie Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 sounds dope. plink please.......anybody:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 completely unrelated but...check out this dope flash site about the millenium line. http://www.rapidtransit.bc.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deadlydnut Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Here's what you do, you go to your tubes if their running this shit, go to the frames on the tube, then instead of figuring out the math and shit, Just make your own frames and go right over theirs, then you dont need to worry about spacing / other shit, you just measure how big the frame needs to be and how many you need... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MR BOJANGLES Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 here in america...we just have pee on our subways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bruno Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by deadlydnut Here's what you do, you go to your tubes if their running this shit, go to the frames on the tube, then instead of figuring out the math and shit, Just make your own frames and go right over theirs, then you dont need to worry about spacing / other shit, you just measure how big the frame needs to be and how many you need... brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 we dont have fancy movie screen subways here , we donet even have subways at all actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Here in LA the trains crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eminusone Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 x the patco speedline from philly to jersey has one right before the ben franklin bridge when your going from philly to jersey, its an add for dasani bottled water. its a pretty cool idea im sure someone made alot of money of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 if you pull it off you're a better man than i. mr abc barely has the patience to tie his shoelaces (hense the fact they rarely are) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Miscellaneous/JCMBhouse/Zoetrope.jpeg'> yep... I missed this thread... because I was asleap! I know all about frame rates and the effects of shutter speed, but this bit of math all comes down to distance and velocity. I say... sneak into the tunnel after the last train and remove all the signs, then you'll have a working template! Just dont get squashed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 I think that, in the planning stages at least, there was some sort of 'vented' window covering attached to the train itself... this is just an arbitrary number, but you could only see out the window from a 35 - 50 degree angle or something... kinda like the kinetiscope up above... is that a kinetiscope or something else? I have to go to work... I'm a couple hours late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 it's a zoetrope, the first EVER moving picture machine. They shot a series of stills of a horse running, then put them together and make the first action-movie-chase-scene. the Kineticscope was WAY more adwanced. It was built by Edison and it was a combo camera/peep-hole projector. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/edhtml/scopeopsm.jpg'> then along came the Lumiere Bothers from France and the world changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 yeah, I had a feeling I was using the wrong word... thanks man :) as I recall the Zoetrope was developed using candles as a light source and Edison put an electric bulb into the kinetiscope... but I could be wrong about that as well... one of the things you "go and check it out on foot" folk may be overlooking is that, the frames are split up over several rectangular surfaces and reassembled by the viewers eye into a full 'frame'... but somewhere in between the 4 (let's say) panels that make a 'frame' are a couple panels from the next 'frame', this is how they create the smooth motion animation... anyway, when you get down there it might be so confuckulated that you can't tell where one thing begins and another ends... oh yeah... work... time to find a clean shirt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 there's no light source with a zoetrope. You're thinking of the classic 'pin-hole-camera'. The "footage" for the zoetrope is simple a series of pictures, held on the indside of the drum. There's no further light or lenses. It's about a basic as a cartoon flipbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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