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Your onion rings look good.

 

i stopped cooking them as I realised I was getting far too boozed to be playing with hot oil. They were good though!

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Haha, probably a smart idea. I have a deep dish cast iron pot that I have full of peanut oil to fry things in. It works pretty well, but fortunately i do not use it that often. Recently I've been trying to perfect stuffed jalapenos. I'll make another thread for favorite recipes at some point soon.

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Feb. 1, 2017

By George Friedman

 

 

Immigration Chaos

As long as illegal immigration is permitted, the foundations of American culture are at risk.

Last week, President Donald Trump temporarily blocked both “immigrants and nonimmigrants” from seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the United States. From the beginning of his presidential campaign he has spoken at various times and in a variety of ways of taking a step like this. Having done it, the action created uproar in part because it was done without adequate preparation, and in larger part, because it was done at all. The mutual recriminations over this particular act are of little consequence. What is important is to try to understand why the immigration issue is so sensitive. The uproar over Trump’s action is merely one of many to come, which also will be of little consequence.

 

Trump has pointed to two very different patterns. One is immigration to the U.S. by Muslims. The other is illegal Mexican immigration. Both resonated with Trump’s supporters. It is interesting to consider other immigration patterns that have not become an issue. One is immigration to the U.S. from India. The other is immigration from China and other parts of Asia. Both have been massive movements since about 1970, and both have had substantial social consequences.

 

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Protesters gather at the Los Angeles International Airport’s Tom Bradley Terminal to demonstrate against President Donald Trump’s executive order effectively banning citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries. KONRAD FIEDLER/AFP/Getty Images

Indian migration to the U.S. has been one of the most successful in American history in that it has been among the least disruptive, has generated minimal hostility and has been extraordinarily successful economically. Today, Indian-Americans are the wealthiest single ethnic group in the United States. They are hardly invisible, as they are present in all professions and as corporate executives.

 

Chinese and East Asian immigration is more complex. Chinese immigrants began coming to the U.S. in the mid-19th century. They came as laborers supplied by Chinese contractors and were crucial in building American railroads alongside – and in competition with – Irish immigrants. The Chinese were exploited and brutalized and didn’t get citizenship. But after the 1970s, their story matched the Indians’ – the Chinese were not quite as wealthy, but they did well.

 

About 3.7 million people of Indian descent live in the U.S., many of them second-generation immigrants. About 4 million people of Chinese descent live in the U.S., with somewhat more complex backgrounds. There also are 3.3 million Muslims and 35.8 million people of Mexican descent, including an estimated 5.2 million of the 11 million who are in the U.S. illegally, according to Pew Research Center.

 

If there was a strain of intense, anti-immigrant or racist sentiment in the United States, it would be directed against Indians and Chinese just as much as Muslims and Mexicans. There would also be a persistent strain from previous Irish immigration in the 19th century, and of Italians, Jews and other Eastern and Southern Europeans who flooded into the United States between 1880 and 1920. To the extent that racism exists against any of these groups, the anti-immigration fervor is marginal; century-old immigrant cohorts have become mainstream. They are not the ones marginalized – their detractors are.

 

It is the example of the Chinese and the Indians that blows up the theory that Americans have an overarching anti-immigrant sensibility that Trump is tapping into. It also raises serious doubts that Trump is anti-immigrant. I have searched and may have missed it, but I didn’t find that Trump made anti-Chinese or anti-Indian statements, as opposed to anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican statements. If it were classic anti-immigrant sentiment, the rage would be against Indian immigrants who have emerged as a powerful and wealthy ethnic group in a startlingly short time. But there is minimally detectable hostility toward them, which means that the immigration situation in the United States is far more complex than it seems.

 

The issue is not whether Trump and his followers are generally anti-immigrant. The question is why they are so hostile toward Muslims, who roughly total the same number as the Chinese and Indians, and to Mexicans, who vastly outnumber these groups. I wish the explanation were more complex, but it is actually quite simple in both cases.

 

The United States has been at war with Muslim groups since Sept. 11, 2001. When the U.S. has gone to war with foreign powers, there has been a surge of hostility toward immigrants from that foreign power’s country. During World War I, German immigrants in the United States who still spoke German came under suspicion and were pressured to adopt English. During World War II, Germans who had maintained close and cordial ties to Germany prior to the war were harassed, and in some cases, arrested under suspicion of espionage and subversion. Japanese citizens of the United States were arrested and sent to detention camps out of fear that they might be conducting espionage or sabotage for the Japanese. During the Cold War, post-war émigrés from Soviet satellite nations were distrusted by the FBI, which feared they were sent by the Soviets as spies and saboteurs.

 

When there is war, there is suspicion of the enemy. When there is suspicion of the enemy, there is fear that émigrés might be in the United States on false pretenses. Historically, émigrés have been caught in the middle to some extent because their loyalty is questioned. In war, there is rage as the casualties mount, particularly if sabotage and terrorism are carried out in the homeland. This is hardly new or difficult to understand. If those of us old enough to recall the terror after 9/11 will do so, we can remember the fear and uncertainty not only about what comes next, but also whether the next terror team already was present in the United States. After 15 years of war and many Americans dead, this has congealed into a framework of distrust that may well go beyond the rational. The detention of the entire Japanese community was not rational. Nor was it something that cannot be understood. It is hard to calibrate what you ought to be afraid of in war, but you know that something dreadful might happen. Are all Muslims warriors against the United States? No. Do you know who is or isn’t? Also no. Wars, therefore, create fears. There is nothing new in the American fear of Muslims in the context of war.

 

The Mexican situation is different. There was a war, but it was long ago, and fear of war is not the driving issue. Rather, the driving issue is illegal Mexican immigration. There is a great deal of homage paid to the rule of law. Congress passed a law specifying the mechanics of legal migration. Some 5 million Mexicans broke the law. Whether this has harmed the U.S. economy or not, the indifference to enforcing the law by people who are normally most insistent on the rule of law has created a sense of hypocrisy. At the same time that the middle and lower-middle classes feel as though their interests are being ignored, the presentation of illegal aliens as “undocumented immigrants” reveals a linguistic maneuver. The “illegals” are transformed into the merely “undocumented,” implying a minor bureaucratic foul-up.

 

The anger is not only directed at the Mexicans. It is part of the rage against those living in the bubble, who present themselves as humanitarians, but who will encounter the illegal aliens, if at all, as their servants. And rightly or wrongly, some suspect that open support for breaking the law is designed to bring cheap labor to support the lifestyles of the wealthy at the expense of the declining middle class. The fact that the well-to-do tend to be defenders of illegal aliens while also demanding the rule of law increases suspicions.

 

There is a somewhat deeper layer. As long as illegal immigration is permitted, the foundations of American culture are at risk. It is not simply immigration, but the illegality that is frightening, because it not only can’t be controlled, but also the law is under attack by those who claim to uphold it. The fear that a person’s livelihood is being undermined and his cultural foundation is being overwhelmed creates deep fear of the intentions of the more powerful.

 

The issue appears to have little to do with NAFTA and other economic concerns. The U.S. and China have equally intense economic issues, but there is minimal tension over Chinese immigration. The economic and immigration issues seem only tenuously connected.

 

It is rare that an issue of such emotional impact as Muslims during a war with Muslims, or immigration in violation of the law, would not cause tension. As we saw with President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Japanese, things that are obvious to those living decades later are not obvious at the time. Indeed, it is a failure of imagination to be unable to empathize with the fear felt after Pearl Harbor. In our time, the failure to empathize comes from those who feel immune to illegal immigration or the 15-year war. It is part of the growing fragmentation of American society that different classes and regions should experience these things so differently, and that each side has so little understanding of the other.

 

It is the president’s job to bridge the gap. But regardless of his wishes, the president is trapped by the upwelling of feeling on questions of immigration by Muslims at a time of war, or the refusal of government at all levels to enforce the law. But what is not true is that this represents a generalized hostility to immigrants or even racism. If it did, the Indian and the Chinese immigration in recent generations would have encountered a very different greeting. This issue is about two groups. The response may well be extreme and clumsy. But after many years of ignoring the anxiety that both issues generated, or dismissing it as racism, it inevitably ratchets out of control. In fact, neither issue is mysterious, unprecedented or subject to cautious management, given the passions on all sides.

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I've worked with George in the past, he's one of the most objective people I've come across and is one of my favourite contemporary writers.

 

If you can find something that he wrote called "for the love of one's own" and "the Geopolitics of China: A great power enclosed" - they're not much longer than that article above - give them a read.

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This is really bad news.

 

I understand that it's hard for Trump's political legitimacy given his campaign platform but it suggests that he's taking a very transactional approach to US relations. That will not go down well at all in Australia. We have accompanied the US into every major conflict since 1945, many that Australia had no direct interest in at all. We did to support the US led order and US prestige and primacy. The US is our major ally so we do everything we can to support it. Our interests are the same and our values are the same so we are like brothers. For some one like Trump to come in and utterly disregard all the blood we've shed together and the political capital Australia has spent around the world to support the United States is a disaster.

 

It will make the US look arrogant, selfish and ignorant. Most of all it will make them look like untrustworthy partners that go from deal to deal trying to screw everyone for every little advantage they can get. Foreign relations are not business deals, trust and history matter.

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Trump today:

"I just wanted to ask a question of you — why? 1,250… it could be 2,000 it could be more than that," Mr Trump said, referring to the number of refugees covered by the agreement.

"I said 'why, why are we doing this. What is the purpose?' So we will see what happens.

"We're tough. We have to be tough. We're taken advantage of by virtually every nation in the world. It's not going to happen any more"

But the Washington Post claimed Mr Trump abruptly ended the phone call with Mr Turnbull regarding the deal, calling the conversation "the worst by far" in a day that included calls with a clutch of world leaders.

Overnight Mr Trump said people should not be concerned about strongly-worded phone calls between world leaders like himself and Malcolm Turnbull.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-03/trump-defends-australia-comments-on-us-refugee-deal/8237640

 

Can't tell you how fucking angry this makes me as an Aussie and as a soldier.

 

As an Aussie, we see Americans as loud and obnoxious but compete with them for that title. We look at America as wild and free, warts and all, but we compete with them for that highest standard. We see America and strength and the standard of justice, as imperfect and raw, and we compete with them on ideals of betterment and progress. We love America, we love Canada, we love Great Britain and we love New Zealand because we all share the values of the individual and of merit. America was not the first and it is not the best but it is the leader and we have followed it with blood, with treasure with mateship and with faith for 70 years.

 

Our leaders can be fucking idiots too. We sold our values for votes in the early 2000s. Our leaders demonised Muslims a month before 9/11 to win elections (the Tampa Crisis for those who like to read). So this deal that Trump is fighting over comes from our own failure, we can't blame anyone but ourselves.

 

But shit, we followed the US into Iraq, into Somalia and into Syria (Korea, Vietnam, etc. etc.). Sure, we actually wanted Vietnam more than you guys did at first and Korea was also a pretty big deal for US - Japan continued to scare us well after Nagasaki and Hiroshima. But we really didn't care about Iraq, Somalia, Kosovo and a whole lot of other shit we got messed up in. We did that stuff because we care about America. We like your leadership, we share the same interests and we support the values you fight for. We don't fight for you, we fight for us.

 

Sometimes we ask for a favour, a bit of a hand, as all mates do. We've actually asked a couple of times - Indonesia in the 60s and East Timor in the 90s. Both times you've told us to fuck off (in Timor we got the minimum, nobody was prepared to die with us except the kiwis). Now we're being humiliated for a couple of genuine asylum seekers (we've already extreme vetted them and then imprisoned them - plus, there is 1200 MAXIMUM. Not thousands and there are no more to follow, it's a one off "leg up" for some mates that have always been there for you).

 

I shit you not, this means a fucking massive amount to the average bloke on the street. This is headline all over the country and it will not go away. IF the current leadership takes the "what have you ever done for me" approach, it will be over. Yes, we need a great power partner to ensure our security but there is no sense in paying for a rip off. IT makes more sense to go it alone (or eventually go with Asia) than to pay to a leader that will through you under the bus for the next election.

 

Think about this:

 

Japan is watching

Great Britain is watching

South Korea is watcthin

Thailand is watching

Germany is watching

Italy is watching

Saudi Arabia is watching

Kuwait is watching

The UAE is watching

Singapore is watching

Djibouti is watching

The Philippines is watching

Israel is watching

Egypt is watching

Jordan is watching

Turkey is watching

Poland is watching

Estonia is watching

Canada is watching

Pakistan is watching

 

Ukraine is watching

Taiwan is watching

Malaysia is watching

India is watching

Finland is watching

Romania is watching

Greece is watching

Georgia is watching

Vietnam is watching

Indonesia is watching

Iraq is watching

South Africa is watching

Sweden is watching

Denmark is watching

Spain is watching

Azerbaijan is watching

 

China is watching

Russia is watching

Iran is watching

Al Qaeda is watching (no they haven't disappeared)

North Korea is watching

 

 

 

If the US shits on one of its best friends because its current leaders has such a thin legitimacy, it's other allies and partners will start hedging their bets. Japan, Korea, Germany, the UK, etc. will all move to repair relations with China, Russia and other folk that don't hold America's interests close. Other countries like India, Indonesia, Sweden and Ukraine will figure that US partnership and support cannot be trusted. Worst of all, countries like Russia, China, Iran and DPRK will see the doubt in US friends and allies and exploit the opportunity.

 

What the fuck you think China has been doing in the East China and South China Sea for the last 5 years?! They've proved to everyone that the US doesn't have the balls to stand up against China or the intelligence to read the play. China today asks Japan, ROK, Taiwan, Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, etc. "where is your god". The answer is - "Our god is off humiliating Australia for requesting a little bit of help after generations of loyalty".

 

 

Now, look back at my previous post and ask yourself how strong America is when it loses Eurasia.

 

Trump's interests are not the same as the national interest.

 

These folk need to speak as loudly as they can:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-03/australias-day-in-us-headlines-after-trump-comments/8237946

http://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/4444344/donald-trump-defends-tough-phone-calls-as-john-mccain-expresses-unwavering-support-for-australia/?cs=12

 

Thnkfully I believe that most Australian's think Trump is a buffoon that does not represent all of the US. We hate our system of political leadership as much as you cats do, we get it. But we cannot forget the loyalty and friendship we've had for the political benefit of a presidency by social media.

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"We're tough. We have to be tough. We're taken advantage of by virtually every nation in the world. It's not going to happen any more"

This line fucks with me.

 

 

Taken advantage of?! Really? I have mates without feet because they followed America into a war that had nothing to do with Australia. Korea pays of the all the US bases in South Korea and for 75% of the cost of all soldiers deployed there. Korea spends 2.6% on defence - how they fuck are they taking advantage of the US. Singapore spends billions for ports that can accommodate and maintain US vessels for ver little cost to the US - how they fuck are they taking advantage of the US? Sure, Japan and some Europeans should do more - no doubt. But many other countries actually PAY to have the US deployed in their region.

 

 

Try seeing what life is like when no one trusts you or likes you an won't let you into their house.

 

When you can't leave home without everything you need for your journey you will not get far. Any battle you have will be in your own neighbourhood.

 

National security requires a international strategy.

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