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Will be pushing for Bernie in my local primaries.

 

Hillary is more of the same.

 

Trump is a fucking asshole.

 

Cruz is a fucking asshole.

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Yeah, nothing worth looking at on the Reps side. I'd like to see Hilary in because of her Asia-focus and simply because she's a wooza.

 

I don't mind conservatism in regards to small govt and free markets but that's about it. So anything that weakens social conservatism is a good thing in my books. Lastly, Hilary has foreign policy experience and when compared with most others that's a massive benefit, especially at a time of serious strategic challenges (Mid East/Iran/IS, Russia, China, etc...).

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Agreed. I do think by resume alone, Hillary is the most qualified candidate. But I think she'll represent 4-8 more years of Obama. Still a much better option than the Rs are putting up, but far from my top choice.

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Agreed that Hilary is just another career politician and that's not often a good thing. But hey, Trump isn't a career politician and he's a fucking clown. It would be interesting to see what a Trump presidency would look like, just to find out what he would actually do. Remember how Obama said he'd pull US troops out of the Mid East, how he'd shut down Gitmo, etc. etc. Yeah, well, all leaders are constrained by reality when they have to put their money where their mouth is and be responsible for the decisions. It's too easy making grandiose statements and unreasonable promises from the stump, when they're in office things usually drop back a few notches in terms of their toughness and resoluteness to bring about change. He'd probably just blame an uncooperative congress and obstructionist this and that....

 

I actually don't know much of Bernie, I guess I haven't paid attention as I feel that Hilary will get the nom...., for better or for worse.

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I'm pulling for hillary, she has more experience navigating domestic and foreign political landscapes and we know her history. Bernie is your typical political new comer who makes alot of bold statements and how hes gonna make changes, but has little experience coalition building and would end up alienating his supporters. He would be a 1 term president. The right wing candidates are ridiculous, they truly don't advocate traditional republican economic and social values. Many are extremists that go to far to get attention, but wouldn't get any meaningful legislation past. Also they would most likly fuck up foreign relations more than they already are

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I'm confused as to how Bernie could be perceived as a newcomer? Dude has been punching the same ticket, with the same ethics, and same stance for decades.

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The Obama administration confirmed for the first time Friday that Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained closely guarded government secrets, censoring 22 emails with material requiring one of the highest levels of classification. The revelation comes just three days before the Iowa presidential nominating caucuses in which Clinton is a candidate.

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While we may indeed be sick and tired of hearing about her damn emails, I hope this is a serious blow to her campaign.

 

Sorry doesn't cut it, lady.

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Yeah, that was a pretty dumb move, from the little bit I know of it.

 

I'm not so sure that Hillary will be 4 more years of Obama, I think it might be simplifying things a little too much. There are some pretty fundamental differences:

  • Younger black male - older white female
  • Single term new-comer - former first lady and secretary of state

Straight away their fundamental differences reduce the likelihood that they will view and approach the same issues in the same ways. They haven't always agreed on policy either, which suggests that there is daylight between them on particular issues as well. I think Hillary would be a bit more of a deal maker than Barry was and I think she would probably be a little more decisive and active than he was in some areas as well - mostly regarding foreign policy. I get the feeling that Hillary would listen more to her advisers on strategic matters than Barry was known to have done.

 

To be honest, this is not well researched or learned opinion, bit more gut than head, but it's the way I'm leaning on that issue.

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I think the deal making you predict is absolutely correct. Her center left deal making would further the blur between what the two parties of our failing system are meant to represent.

 

I hope Bloomberg really throws his hat in the race to further splinter the Rs

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Her center left deal making would further the blur between what the two parties of our failing system are meant to represent.

 

In your view is that a good or bad thing?

 

Not my view in particular but an interesting one none the less: Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable - the art of the next best.

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I think the idea that 2 parties can possibly represent a nation of 300 million people is ludicrous. That the line between those parties (in action, not words) is impossible to read aside from a few key issues (gay marriage, abortion, war) is a very painful joke. All this to me reinforces that American democracy itself is a joke. Glorified mob-rule with those at the top manipulating the masses to vote against their own interests.

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Starting a party isn't the problem. I'm a huge fan of socialism and there are plenty of parties that represent my ideals.

 

Breaking the stranglehold of Ds and Rs, and having 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 20th parties represented what needs to happen. They've created a false dichotomy of choice, and we're forced to accept it. By voting for independents we gamble in taking away votes from whom we might view as being a lesser of two evils.

 

My hope is that Cruz gets the R, Trump runs independently, Bloomberg throws in too, and Bernie/O'malley get the D ticket. Pretty sure that is unrealistic, but a grown as man is entitled to dream on occasion.

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Starting a party isn't the problem. I'm a huge fan of socialism and there are plenty of parties that represent my ideals.

 

Breaking the stranglehold of Ds and Rs, and having 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 20th parties represented what needs to happen. They've created a false dichotomy of choice, and we're forced to accept it. By voting for independents we gamble in taking away votes from whom we might view as being a lesser of two evils.

 

My hope is that Cruz gets the R, Trump runs independently, Bloomberg throws in too, and Bernie/O'malley get the D ticket. Pretty sure that is unrealistic, but a grown as man is entitled to dream on occasion.

 

there are a number of 3rd parties in the united states - they just don't get the play they deserve. the political/party infrastructure in a lot of states is engineered to force people into R/D/INDEPENDENT, and largely make it harder for genuine third parties to play. this is at a time when american affiliation /self-identification with the two parties is at its lowest EVER.

 

i believe in casting votes for third parties if they align with your own ideals, have done it before, and will likely do it again.

 

 

Will be pushing for Bernie in my local primaries.

 

Hillary is more of the same.

 

Trump is a fucking asshole.

 

Cruz is a fucking asshole.

 

will also be pushing for bernie as i'd like the dems to go in that direction. naysayers: if bernie does well, you could see elizabeth warren on a ticket in 2020. she hasn't endorsed anyone in this election for good reason - i don't imagine that she will.

 

And scary as hell

 

yes.

 

If Hillary wins the nom, I'll reluctantly support her with her Iraq War-voting, Wall Street-loving ass.

 

this is understandable.

the iraq war issue is haunting her now but in the wake of 9/11 an enormous majority of americans wanted war/violent international intervention to CATCH THEM TERR-RISTS! even dems. hindsight is 20/20, of course. so i don't really fault her for that vote as senator.

 

the wall street issue - and her defenses invoking 9/11 - is pretty inexcusable. thankfully i think most voters see through it.

 

I'm pulling for hillary, she has more experience navigating domestic and foreign political landscapes and we know her history. Bernie is your typical political new comer who makes alot of bold statements and how hes gonna make changes, but has little experience coalition building and would end up alienating his supporters. He would be a 1 term president. The right wing candidates are ridiculous, they truly don't advocate traditional republican economic and social values. Many are extremists that go to far to get attention, but wouldn't get any meaningful legislation past. Also they would most likly fuck up foreign relations more than they already are

 

as president, bernie would have to resort to executive actions to get any of his agenda items done. even if dems win back the senate (and they could - my money's on yes at this point, but barely) they won't wrestle control of the house for at least 8 years. but i think there's still a substantial amount he could do as president on the domestic front that would be achievement-worthy - family leave, etc.

 

as president, HRC has said she'd be open to executive actions to create mandatory gun buybacks. fuck outtahere.

 

i'm center left but fear/reject the democratic hysteria on guns ("assault weapons," a convenient term that can essentially mean whatever you want). HRC and o'malley both seek sweeping changes regardless of any actual understanding of guns - look at the laws o'malley passed as MD governor for a sampling of how reality-free his gun proposals are.

 

bernie's different and comes from a gun state. i'm with it. there's a reasonable middle ground on guns that we can reach as a nation. at least, i think there is.

 

The Obama administration confirmed for the first time Friday that Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained closely guarded government secrets, censoring 22 emails with material requiring one of the highest levels of classification. The revelation comes just three days before the Iowa presidential nominating caucuses in which Clinton is a candidate.

 

i think it's safe to say that her handling of this issue is a good indicator of how another clinton presidency would go. the clintons truly play by their own rules; i didn't trust her before and don't now.

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I'm not so sure an executive action has enough power to override the 2nd amendment, in fact I think they have very little if any legal power.

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