TRAYVON vs. ZIMMERMAN

[injury]

DAO always teaches me so much about anthropology.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

Nigga you white!

[Walid Jumblat]

An ethnic grouping? Isn't that what the word race means?

 

Nope, ethnicity is culture, language, religion - behaviour so to speak.

 

Race is genealogy, physical make up - how you look, so to speak.

 

You can be racially Mongoloid (as in Chinese) but ethnically different. Han Chinese speak Mandarin, are generally devoid of religion and follow a generally Confucian ethic. The Mongols are also Mongoloid but speak Mongolian, are predominately Buddhist and follow a clan based ethic.

 

These are the same race and look pretty much the same but are ethnically different because they act different. That's race v. ethnicity in a nutshell.

[injury]

Nah man I'm hispanic

 

See my location? Orale.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

Nope, ethnicity is culture, language, religion - behaviour so to speak.

 

So then white people from Philly, or NYC are a different ethnicity than white people from SF?

Or what about white people from Scotland -vs- white people from Scandinavia?

Are Koreans a different race or ethnicity than Philippinos?

Oh wait, the Philippines got conquered by Spain hundreds of years ago, so that means they're Spaniards now. Right?

So if Ireland invades Laos some time in the future and makes them all start speaking English, does that make all Laotians a bunch of drunken Irish mics now? Or does it make them English being as that's the language they'll be speaking?

But what if Germany invades them and they all start speaking Dutch? What then?

Either way they'll no longer be Asian, they'll be Caucasian now right?

Unless Ethiopia invades them of coarse.

[Walid Jumblat]

So then white people from Philly, or NYC are a different ethnicity than white people from SF? if they speak a different language, have different religions and customs, then yes, they are same race, different ethnicity. if culture is the same then same race, same ethnicity.

Or what about white people from Scotland -vs- white people from Scandinavia? if they speak a different language, have different religions and customs, then yes. if not, no.

Are Koreans a different race or ethnicity than Philippinos?

Oh wait, the Philippines got conquered by Spain hundreds of years ago, so that means they're Spaniards now. Right? Both are predominately Mongoloid race but the Phils have been 'interbred' with Caucasians due to colonisation from Europe. Ethnically they are different because diff language, customs, religion, etc.

So if Ireland invades Laos some time in the future and makes them all start speaking English, does that make all Laotians a bunch of drunken Irish mics now? Or does it make them English being as that's the language they'll be speaking? "English' is a language and nationality, not an ethnicity. The Laotians would remain Mongoloid, unless interbred but if their customs, language, etc. was completely changed then they would altered ethnically, so to speak

But what if Germany invades them and they all start speaking Dutch? What then?

Either way they'll no longer be Asian, they'll be Caucasian now right? Nope, Caucasian is a race, not an ethnicity.

Unless Ethiopia invades them of coarse.

 

are we having fun?

[TheoHuxtable..]

And so then why do the pure European whites that you speak of get to call themselves hispanic, and not just admit that they're white?

 

They are White. They're also Hispanic.

 

An ethnic grouping? Isn't that what the word race means?

 

Not in terms of a social construct. It's things that separate you from another group in terms of culture, language, religion, tribal belonging, etc. A person who is Norwegian is a different ethnicity from a person who is Russian. But they are both White.

 

And then what is "Meztizo" other than another tribe of Native Americans?

 

A "Mestizo" is not a tribe. It's a Spanish word that Spaniards used to describe people in Latin America who were of mixed race, namely mixed with "Native American/Indigenous", and Spaniard. Where did you get the idea that it was the name of a tribe???

 

You left out the Aztechs and Myans by the way. Which are just other tribes of Hispanics or native Americans.

 

I mentioned the "Mexica", which is the actual name of the "Aztecs." "Aztec" was a name given to them by Spaniards.

 

"Other tribes of Hispanics"? What does that even mean? All Native Americans are not Hispanic. For example, an Eskimo in Alaska is a Native American, but they are not Hispanic. They don't speak Spanish. The etymology & meaning of "Hispanic" means "of Spain" or "pertaining to Spain." But more specifically it means someone who is from or a descendant of a Spanish-speaking country. Spaniards from Spain are also considered Hispanic. And they're White Europeans.

 

And for the record, the term "Native American" is mainly used in the US. So it sounds like you're talking about Native Americans from the United States being "Hispanic." In Canada they're called First Nations, and in various parts of Latin America they're either called either Indigena, Amerindio, or Indio.

 

I guess you're gonna argue that they're not the same race at all, while still maintaining Irish, German, and Russians are all just white people... unless they speak Spanish.:rolleyes:

 

Well if a person of Irish descent were born & raised in a Spanish-speaking country and spoke Spanish as their first language, they can be considered a Hispanic. A Hispanic but of Irish descent.

 

Look at this Irish-looking dude "Canelo" who is going to fight Floyd Mayweather, from Mexico. He has red hair & freckles, but he's a Mexican. He's a White Hispanic.

 

 

"Hispanic" is similar to "American", as in a person from the US. Are all Americans the same race? No. What makes a person an American is they all come from the same place (United States) and share a common language/culture, regardless of what race or ethnicity they are.

[TheoHuxtable..]

So then white people from Philly, or NYC are a different ethnicity than white people from SF?

 

Nope, all are Americans. They share a common country and language. What separates Whites in ethnicity in this country is whether they are Irish, Italian, English, or German. Most American White people however are "mixed" with more than one European ancestry.

 

Or what about white people from Scotland -vs- white people from Scandinavia?

 

Different ethnicities, but the same race.

 

Are Koreans a different race or ethnicity than Philippinos?

 

Both. Filipinos speak a different language and have a different culture than Koreans. But racially, they are not the same. You can look at Koreans and see they are much lighter than Filipinos who are brown-skinned. Filipino share some racial lineage to both Pacific Islanders and Southeast Asians (who are also darker than Koreans).

 

Oh wait, the Philippines got conquered by Spain hundreds of years ago, so that means they're Spaniards now. Right?

 

Who ever was implying that? You should have paid attention in school, man.

 

So if Ireland invades Laos some time in the future and makes them all start speaking English, does that make all Laotians a bunch of drunken Irish mics now? Or does it make them English being as that's the language they'll be speaking?

 

You do realize that the "Hispanic" categorization is really only unique to Spanish-speaking countries? There really is no equivalent to English-speaking countries of labeling all English-speakers as being one group, or all French-speakers being one group. Spanish-speaking countries however are labeled "Hispanic."

 

The closest term for countries who all speak English is called the "Anglosphere." These are usually made up of nations formerly part of the British Colonies -- Canada, Ireland, England, Australia, United States, Singapore, India, South Africa, etc.

 

But what if Germany invades them and they all start speaking Dutch? What then?

Either way they'll no longer be Asian, they'll be Caucasian now right?

Unless Ethiopia invades them of coarse.

 

That logic gave me cancer.

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