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Oh well, thread is off track now so might was well keep it rolling.

 

 

@ DAO - why would you think politics is more important now for the US than during the revolution, the Civil War, WWI, the Depression, WWII or the height of the Cold War? I'd say the US has some interesting times ahead of it with the rise of the Asia-Pacific but shit, compared to the country's history I'd say times are pretty sweet right now.

 

Well, except for the entertainment industry, according to the original poster.

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I just think it is sad that I get the feeling you give a shit what other people do on here

 

 

Ya know, looking back at your posts full of conviction and fervor I take back what I said. This is just another podium that should be used for thoughtful discourse.

 

 

 

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this thread confused the fuck outta me, im in channel zero right???

 

nowadays everyone just wants to be famous, they don't give a fuck about how or the quality just famous. well that is how it seems. Like with music, people used to care about that, want to be a great band or whatever, but now they just want to pander the the fucking moronic bullshit that people have been forcefed that they should want.

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Oh well, thread is off track now so might was well keep it rolling.

 

 

@ DAO - why would you think politics is more important now for the US than during the revolution, the Civil War, WWI, the Depression, WWII or the height of the Cold War? I'd say the US has some interesting times ahead of it with the rise of the Asia-Pacific but shit, compared to the country's history I'd say times are pretty sweet right now.

 

Well, except for the entertainment industry, according to the original poster.

 

 

I don't think the American electorate has ever been this polarized.

Or at least not since the Civil War.

By "electorate", I mean the people who actually give a shit and vote.

It's not even that half of America are a bunch of Fox news watching, right wing, brainwashed retards hell bent on destroying any social progress this country has ever made and sending us back to the 19th century.

It's just that all of them actually vote whereas most people don't.

And so now we have a hijacked congress, and a poster-child for the unregulated corporate greed machine that has ransacked our economy running for president to show for it.

We're following in the same footsteps as every other empire that has fallen.

The right wing of this country has depleted our economy through a combination of wars for global conquest, while simultaneously cutting taxes on the rich who use said tax cuts to build factories in China thus exporting American jobs.

And our hijacked congress and Romney are straight up PROMISING to re-continue on that path.

And their solution to the financial hole that their war mongering and overzealous military spending has gotten us into is to blame it on the working class and eliminate any and all social programs and infrastructure spending while making absolutely no cuts at all to the pentagon and the military industrial complex that is the main cause of the federal deficit to begin with.

 

If Romney becomes president, this recession we're slowly coming out of will reverse and send us into another great depression.

We'll become a third world country while maintaining the largest military in the world.

And maybe that's their agenda. De-fund education while shipping all the blue collar jobs overseas to basically starve the working class into having no other choice than to join the military?

 

That's why I think politics now is more important or consequential than it ever has been.

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I haven't been in here much this year either.

What should I do in NYC on the 5th? Gonna be there with no other plans one day and leaving out in the morning. Local Breweries? azn escorts? anything thursday specific? Restaurant recs? good spot to cop an outfit? is there still phone in a bag services? A club i may have a nice time at?

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Ya know, looking back at your posts full of conviction and fervor I take back what I said. This is just another podium that should be used for thoughtful discourse.

 

 

Your over-dramatisation and efforts in re-reading my posts goes straight to the heart of your giving a shit what other people do on internet forums.

 

Thanks for caring.

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I don't think the American electorate has ever been this polarized.

Or at least not since the Civil War.

By "electorate", I mean the people who actually give a shit and vote.

It's not even that half of America are a bunch of Fox news watching, right wing, brainwashed retards hell bent on destroying any social progress this country has ever made and sending us back to the 19th century.

It's just that all of them actually vote whereas most people don't.

And so now we have a hijacked congress, and a poster-child for the unregulated corporate greed machine that has ransacked our economy running for president to show for it.

We're following in the same footsteps as every other empire that has fallen.

The right wing of this country has depleted our economy through a combination of wars for global conquest, while simultaneously cutting taxes on the rich who use said tax cuts to build factories in China thus exporting American jobs.

And our hijacked congress and Romney are straight up PROMISING to re-continue on that path.

And their solution to the financial hole that their war mongering and overzealous military spending has gotten us into is to blame it on the working class and eliminate any and all social programs and infrastructure spending while making absolutely no cuts at all to the pentagon and the military industrial complex that is the main cause of the federal deficit to begin with.

 

If Romney becomes president, this recession we're slowly coming out of will reverse and send us into another great depression.

We'll become a third world country while maintaining the largest military in the world.

And maybe that's their agenda. De-fund education while shipping all the blue collar jobs overseas to basically starve the working class into having no other choice than to join the military?

 

That's why I think politics now is more important or consequential than it ever has been.

 

Well-said on the polarization front, and it's a point many people miss: there ARE people who dont fit neatly into one party or the other. They're just not represented. They dont want to vote for something that doesnt fit them. This trend will only expand as we go forward.

 

We have a "hijacked" congress because people got sick of the Dems running the show and didnt see the value in obamas reaction to the recession. i believe economics is cyclical but i personally also dont believe the bailout was the thing to do. We've begun to restrict the banks more and more but it irks me that in this country we turned to corporate welfare to shore up big business. what about small business? what about bailing out americans whose homes are underwater? what about students graduating with tens of thousands of dollars in debt? The parties i just mentioned did nothing wrong and are hurting because of the recession. Big business ran us into the ground and are getting checks? That shit has irked me since the beginning. Fuck GM and the big 3. Fuck the UAW as well. A forklift operator shouldn't make $70,000 a year and they know that, they happen to have GM by the nuts at the moment. PS - all that taxpayer money to GM? Most of it has been repaid. Much of it has gone to constructing dealerships, manufacturing facilities, and hiring people. Awesome! Too bad thats all happening in Russia and China.

 

I'm not totally sure that lumping romney in with the "corporate greed machine" is the right step. His company, on occasion, bought dying companies and tried to make them right again. They fired people. GM fired and laid off people when it was getting restructured, too - Obama and the government required them to, as a condition of their plan to stop bleeding money.

 

Why is it such an evil in America, the nation of at-will employment, to fire people? Open question, I really want to know.

 

I'm a firm believer that we're running into the ground already and regardless who wins we're gonna double (triple?) dip. Our current political compromise model is mind numbingly backwards: when a piece of law passes now, it generally includes some type of spending increase as well as a tax cut. This appeases both parties. This is wholly and embarrassingly unsustainable. There will be a president who will take a stand and have the balls to tell people what the fuck is going on. Neither of these two are that person. Honestly, I dont believe it'll happen until it's too late.

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Finally, the one thing i WILL say about romney that gives me some flicker of hope is that the guy has seen a fucking balance sheet before. He has, at least, experienced some semblance of financial management in his life - whether he goes by it is another story

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I don't think anyone considers it evil to fire people.

 

Layoffs and restructuring due to outsourcing and a horrendous economy...well, that's an entirely different pill to swallow.

 

Romney also has a shady history of playing around with money in ways he shouldn't, not to mention repealing universal healthcare rabble rabble rabble. And he's a humorless cock.

 

Whoops, back on the politics.

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Haven't read the full posts yet but it's difficult to argue against outsourcing from the country that champions the free market system. Be competitive or find something else to do.

 

Disclaimer - I am not an economist and know dick all about it

 

 

PS, please note my sincere halfheartedness and fervor in this post. I'm not enjoying a discussion on topics of interest, I'm desperately trying to convince everyone of everything.

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@realism

 

Yes it is.

I'm not angry that GM is moving to other countries. I'm angry that they funded these moves with my money. Theyre a fucking poster child for mismanagement. Dudes were building shitty, unreliable small cars and big SUVs as gas prices increased by a factor of 5 from 2003-2008. You dont have to be a businessperson to see this. You have to have electrical currents running through your fucking brain ... gas is $5/gallon, let's build more avalanches! more tahoes and suburbans! genius!

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