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When the Fast and Furious story broke it got little to no coverage. The congressional hearings and Obama invoking executive privilege to save Holders ass did get covered. The level of coverage does not equate to the level of attention it garners. To believe that the ATF actually thought that it could "track" weapons once they crossed the border is a leap of blind faith that I'm not willing to make. The pending economic collapse has been covered but the average 'Merican is more worried about Lindsay Lohans next meltdown.

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That graph does not add anything to your argument and takes nothing away from my link.

If I learned anything from ch0 I learned entering into any dialogue with you or even reading the things you post is purely moot. From beginning to end. You have the ability to cancel yourself out and have no idea you've done so, like a zombie that does not know he is dead.

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Are you fucking stupid?

 

Hilary would have been about a thousand times better. Go ahead and let the sexist jokes rip, Obama was not nearly experienced enough for the position and he has proven that.

 

Not directed at you, DAO, politically we're probably pretty similar (except on some social issues I'd guess). Just a dash of opinion.

 

Adele was one of the only fresh acts out there, I feel the same about the Black keys.

 

Cosign the fuck out of the Black Keys, never listened to any Adele really. But I know she was/is quite popular.

 

Look at Rap, I remember last year/few years ago everyone got all hype thinking a new batch of sweet rappers were coming out. Wiz Khalifia, Wale, J cole, Big Sean, Drake etc etc.

Everyone started talking about rap music making a revival, which of those clowns could stack

up against anything from the 90's?

 

They're all garbage, except maby J cole.

 

Wiz Khalifa fucking blows, and can't do a live show to save his live. Fuck that giggly faggot. Wale had it for a minute, then signed to MMG and got generic as fuck, regardless of his rhyming ability. I'm a huge Meek Mill fan, but there is nothing super special about dude, or any of that team. J Cole I will cosign to the fullest, and truly DO believe he brought something fresh.

 

But hell, even the "hip-hop is dead"/"hip-hop is coming back" argument is tired as fuck. You're still hearing it, and have been since long before Nas did that album.

 

Every single movie that comes out is a sequel, re make, or the same formulation of:

Heres the good guys, everything starts getting good, a problem occurs and a climax is reached where everything falls apart and then it all ends in a fairy tale way that makes everyone ''happy''.

 

This I take some issue with. Gasface mentioned it in another thread, but this can be solved with patience and looking for the right movies. The Oscars may be overhyped and guessable/rigged, but they still highlight a few great movies every year. Or you can go independent.

 

The true "movie era" was over in the 1950s, when going to the movies still held a sense of magic. Second hand observation coming from me and anyone else on this board, but you'd be hard pressed to find a dissenting opinion. Even so, there was still a staggering amount of dreck produced by major studios. There have always been shitty movies produced with big budgets and tacky stars, and there always will be. Just as there will always be legitimately well written and acted ones that are a pleasure to watch. And you can DEFINITELY find films from the last few years that don't follow that sunshine and puppy shit formula.

 

 

Even politicians spew the same garbage and cant divulge from party lines because it'd be too much for the average shit-for-brains person to understand the concept of a Republican being pro-choice(if they even know what that means) or a Democrat in favor of loose gun laws.

 

See above where I criticize Obama. Congress will not play ball, because neither side will capitulate to the other one on ANYTHING. Rather than be decisive, Obama has harped about bipartisanship for the last 4 years, and done very little to enforce or enact it. (Yes, I'm aware someone may very will make a point to mention the healthcare, but what about the fucking economy?)

 

Well this was fun. Channel Zero lookin' like Crossfire in this thread.

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* @ Eviltrailer

 

Since when has the average person been all about foreign affairs, security issues, global econ and a lot of other higher altitude issues anyway?

 

Most people have enough on their plates to worry about regarding career, family, enjoying their time here, etc. to spend time educating themselves on that shit. And as some one who is paid to research I will also add in order to educate yourself to a valid degree on such complex issues a fuck load of time and determination (a bit of education doesn't go astray as well) is required.

 

Being informed that shit is going down is one thing, that takes reading shit like NYT, Foreign Policy, Economist, some other non-US sources, etc. Even being informed you need to spread yourself to get a number of viewpoints. To actually know what you're talking about and to come to your own credible conclusions takes some pretty serious commitment in time and money.

 

People don't have time for that when running small businesses, families, studying, traveling, dancing, falling in and out of love and generally living life.

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Oscar Wilde said that, what,100 years ago or thereabouts. Nothing changes, people are always going to feel disenfranchised at some point, in one way or another. When you were teenagers everything was new and exciting, you had few worries and was less cynical...then you grow up. Humans suck, always have, always will.

 

I think you're wrong though, there are genuine artists/artisans out there. You just have to make the effort to look. Or, as the Dali Lama said, be the change.you want to see in the world.

 

/end drunk ramble. Someone make me a cuppa tea, please.

 

 

 

Maybe it's different on your continent, but here in the States even the "underground" shit is mostly garbage.

It didn't used to be that you had to dig so deep to find good music because a good enough amount of it was discovered and put on blast to the mainstream.

 

One thing that puts it more in perspective for me is when I hear some old 80's or 90's song that was whatever to me when I was a kid because there was so much better music being played, but when I hear it today I can actually appreciate it more as actual good music because of how fucking terrible everything else being played these days is.

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When the Fast and Furious story broke it got little to no coverage. The congressional hearings and Obama invoking executive privilege to save Holders ass did get covered. The level of coverage does not equate to the level of attention it garners. To believe that the ATF actually thought that it could "track" weapons once they crossed the border is a leap of blind faith that I'm not willing to make. The pending economic collapse has been covered but the average 'Merican is more worried about Lindsay Lohans next meltdown.

 

This shit has been getting coverage ever since it lead to that border patrol agent getting killed by one of the guns a couple years ago.

In the main stream media.

You just don't watch the news like that.

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That graph does not add anything to your argument and takes nothing away from my link.

If I learned anything from ch0 I learned entering into any dialogue with you or even reading the things you post is purely moot. From beginning to end. You have the ability to cancel yourself out and have no idea you've done so, like a zombie that does not know he is dead.

 

 

 

It clearly shows that only 12.6% of the population are black.

What it doesn't show is what percent of that percentage are even registered voters.

Being as black people are a lot more likely to be convicted felons in modern day America, combined with the fact that they're also a lot less likely to be motivated to even bother registering to vote, that graph actually does take a lot away from your point that the black vote somehow swayed the election.

 

But if there's anything I've learned from arguing with you nit-wits on here it's that I could go on for days with statistical charts on demographics and links to scientific proof of the evolution of whales and dolphins and you flaming bag of fucktards will still resort to "DOGWHALEWOLFDOLPHIN!!!" with pics of the boul who shot some dude in a movie theater talking bout "he's from Philly!!! that's fucking DAO!!!!" even though it's clearly doccumented through the anals of 12oz that I was already living in Texas when that shit happened and posting on 12oz while dude was locked the fuck up.

 

SMFH

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Hilary would have been about a thousand times better. Go ahead and let the sexist jokes rip, Obama was not nearly experienced enough for the position and he has proven that.

 

If Hillary had won, you people would be saying she won because she's a woman.

Nobody expected either of them to win because one of them was black and the other a woman.

But now that one of them won, you hindsight motherfuckers are saying that they won for the same exact reason that you would have said cost them the election had it gone the other way.

 

 

Also, this:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101745_2102133_2102330-1,00.html

"The President was at all times presidential," he says. "I would contend he was the smartest guy in the room. He had leadership skills we'd expect from a guy who had 35 years in the military."

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Hilary would have been about a thousand times better. Go ahead and let the sexist jokes rip, Obama was not nearly experienced enough for the position and he has proven that.

 

Not directed at you, DAO, politically we're probably pretty similar (except on some social issues I'd guess). Just a dash of opinion.

 

 

 

Well this was fun. Channel Zero lookin' like Crossfire in this thread.

 

I just wanted to know if there were any satellite theories or if anyone else was with me. I hoped politics wouldn't be relevant but shit has a life of its own.

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I hoped politics wouldn't be relevant but shit has a life of its own.

 

Politics is way more relevant now than it's ever been in the history of this country.

If you were hoping it wasn't, then you were sadly mistaken.

 

Hate on Obama all you want, but take a long hard look at the fucking douchebag who's actually got a good chance of taking his job.

And try to imagine what him and his Bush on a steady diet of steroids and lead paint chips policies would do to our country.

Especially at a time like this.

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If Hillary had won, you people would be saying she won because she's a woman.

Nobody expected either of them to win because one of them was black and the other a woman.

But now that one of them won, you hindsight motherfuckers are saying that they won for the same exact reason that you would have said cost them the election had it gone the other way.

 

 

Also, this:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101745_2102133_2102330-1,00.html

"The President was at all times presidential," he says. "I would contend he was the smartest guy in the room. He had leadership skills we'd expect from a guy who had 35 years in the military."

 

I never said anything about Obama winning for being black, yet you lump me in with that crowd.

 

I never supported him as my favored candidate in the Democratic primaries, so had Hillary won, regardless of the job she did, there is no way I would have pined for Obama. Yet you lump me in with the hindsight crowd.

 

As long as we're lumping people in with crowds, I'm willing to bet that had Hillary won, you would be blindly defending her every action, simply because she "plays for your team." You are the epitome of a liberal pundit, and people like you are just as annoying as your Republican counterparts to talk about politics with, even if I do tend to agree more.

 

You would also benefit from understanding that just because I am not Obama's number one fan, that does not mean I will vote for Romney.

 

Sorry about this, Croc. Tried to be relevant in most of my other post. I'll taper off the politics...

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Politics is way more relevant now than it's ever been in the history of this country.

If you were hoping it wasn't, then you were sadly mistaken.

 

Hate on Obama all you want, but take a long hard look at the fucking douchebag who's actually got a good chance of taking his job.

And try to imagine what him and his Bush on a steady diet of steroids and lead paint chips policies would do to our country.

Especially at a time like this.

 

 

 

I voted for Obama, and i'm going to vote for him again.

I just wanted an opinion thread, not some political back and forth, If i wanted that I'd watch hardball or some bullshit on span. I refuse to get political, bc its so cyclical it hardly goes anywhere. hum hum hum.

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I never said anything about Obama winning for being black, yet you lump me in with that crowd.

 

I never supported him as my favored candidate in the Democratic primaries, so had Hillary won, regardless of the job she did, there is no way I would have pined for Obama. Yet you lump me in with the hindsight crowd.

 

As long as we're lumping people in with crowds, I'm willing to bet that had Hillary won, you would be blindly defending her every action, simply because she "plays for your team." You are the epitome of a liberal pundit, and people like you are just as annoying as your Republican counterparts to talk about politics with, even if I do tend to agree more.

 

You would also benefit from understanding that just because I am not Obama's number one fan, that does not mean I will vote for Romney.

 

Sorry about this, Croc. Tried to be relevant in most of my other post. I'll taper off the politics...

 

You're right, you didn't. And I did lump you in. Probably due to the rest of the shit you said in that post.

My bad for lumping you in, bro. But these dipshits would be saying similar shit if Hillary won.

 

And since when am I known for blindly defending anybody?

"You are the epitome of a liberal pundit"

^Do I need to post pics of my guns?

 

"people like you are just as annoying as your Republican counterparts to talk about politics with, even if I do tend to agree more."

 

^Maybe you agree more because there actually is HUGE difference.

Left wing pundits might occasionally spin to get a point across, but rarely if ever lie.

Right wing pundits literally lie like it's their fucking religion.

And a good portion if not the vast majority of their audience knows they're lying, and cheers them on for it.

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I voted for Obama, and i'm going to vote for him again.

I just wanted an opinion thread, not some political back and forth, If i wanted that I'd watch hardball or some bullshit on span. I refuse to get political, bc its so cyclical it hardly goes anywhere. hum hum hum.

 

 

 

So then you're so cynical that you had to spout your cynicism of how cynical you are, then retreat from said cynicism and refuse to get cynical because cynicism is just so cynical?

 

 

My bad, bro.

I was feeling your original post though.

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