semi automatico Posted June 1, 2001 Share Posted June 1, 2001 im all about my cool effects gee ------------------ bitch gets no love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post*it Posted June 1, 2001 Share Posted June 1, 2001 Originally posted by cathartic: alot of people have said the same shit and repeated one another, but the fact is US writers have handstyle and a much better handle on throwups and overall class. i love european shit and i hate european shit... they walk a fine line, its hit or miss... they execute shit on a pro level but in alot of ways are still amateurs to the overall game of graff (im not saying this in a condescending way at all) there are alot of europeans that could burn me at the drop of a hat but they also seem to have this bullshit view of being a graff writer means your automatically a hip hop soldier that is just stupid... most of the best writers and most respected writers arent "hip hop soldiers" theyre just regular dudes that listen to hatever they want and do what they want with no guidelines set by the "hip hop" culture.. well ive rambled enough... say what you want......... I also see a whole lot of shit US pieces, so don't think that Europe is far behind just because you don't like every Euro piece you see. About the hiphop. Yep, you're right - everyone in Europe listens to hiphop even if they dont like it.... been to Europe much have you?? Backing up CrazeeBob, we got the trains. So called 'real graf'. But whatever, each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tmf0 Posted June 2, 2001 Share Posted June 2, 2001 you sadass americans dont shit about graffiti compared to the euros! i live in canada and i fell real fuking sad for the guy trying to peice walls and stuff but its hot working for them and then theyre bragging about how the got busted. someof the american writers are awesome..t-kid....cope....ouija and more but damnit....you dont know europe. half of the people that say us is better probably havent actually been to europe or seen anything....i really really wanna be considered a european writer cause they are on a higher respect level all around the world. so offence to any of thde good american writers out there...but i think most of you are try hards that do throwups and bomb stuff or tag....thats it. go to www.graffiti.org/daim or www.graffiti.org/seak or just go to www.graffiti.org/europe tats where you'll find the nicest peices ever! someof you guys are dumb-no offence tho. Jesus Christ!I hate this place! (canada) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Awful Posted June 2, 2001 Share Posted June 2, 2001 U.S. burns.Canada is cool. Eruope has some cool writers...swet and bates are ill. U.s. has the badest styles. most writers in the U.S. dont even think their graff is art. in europe its all art related. European styles look like PoP art in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hINt* Posted June 7, 2001 Share Posted June 7, 2001 i have a crush on the bombed piggy car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeoo Posted June 7, 2001 Share Posted June 7, 2001 AUSTRALIA SHITS ON ALL OF YA'S......(as smeoo ducks thrown tomatoes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted June 7, 2001 Share Posted June 7, 2001 Originally posted by mr.yuck: ...that American style is based to a certain extent on a solid base of uniformity and how letter stucture works, where as European styles are just totaly invented based on nothing but look hella cool european styles didn't just pop out of a kinder egg. problems with your argument... 1.euro styles are descended from the same places as US styles and not 100% new. 2.Americans (and CANADIANS) innovate just as much as euro styles do. 4.you said 'hella cool' point: you cant say euro is more original or innovative than anywhere else. Same for the rest of the world. Just like ethnics.. evolution made them different, but not superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeque Posted June 7, 2001 Share Posted June 7, 2001 Originally posted by --zeSto--: european styles didn't just pop out of a kinder egg. problems with your argument... 1.euro styles are descended from the same places as US styles and not 100% new. 2.Americans (and CANADIANS) innovate just as much as euro styles do. 4.you said 'hella cool' point: you cant say euro is more original or innovative than anywhere else. Same for the rest of the world. Just like ethnics.. evolution made them different, but not superior. Interesting. I guess it's all very much subjective. Personally I havent seen even Us graf to comment, but when I went to NY, the little I did see blew my mind. The fucking subway was blitzed to pieces. Every window on every tube was scratched. I thought it looked ugly, but it's all about getting up. We just dont get that here, which might be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra1.0 Posted June 7, 2001 Share Posted June 7, 2001 Fuck it, Los Angeles is king of style worldwide... Is there anyone out there brave enough to say that they could take out Saber or Revok? Everyone knows that Mear is basically THE best in the game. European graff (with the exception of the Germans) looks like old school New York shit anyway- so why would you even start a post like this? ::my 2 cents:: ------------------ -Suck my dick, it's the kid with the fat knob/ That bust all into face/ Plus it comes in globs/ -Ghostface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proph UAcrew Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 well... I think US has superior writers, all around, And a much better scene. We can rack over here. My boy is from France and he tells me that the writers out there all buy paint, and theres basicly nobody who racks anything. Also, I have seen flicks of some French/Belgian handstyles, and of coarse... My boys handstyles, and they are WAY more superior than almost ANY handstyle I have seen in US. Also, I think that Euro Writers have way more determination nowadays than American writers. Look at these Whole cars they do, they are neverending, almost every graff magazine I pick up has pages upon pages of trains from Europe. I think certain places have different things to contribute to the culture. And without Europe we would be missing alot from the Graff scene we know today. On that same page, Without the US, Europe probley wouldnt have graff... or at least, they really wouldn't have a culture as rich as it is today. ------------------ There comes a time in every mans education when he reaches the conviction that envy is ignorance: and Imitation is suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHATEU Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 this is sooooooo awful but i will say....determination and soul are key words in this arguement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locationtwelve Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 London actions http://www.graffiti.org/dj/sw.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locationtwelve Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 More London action http://www.graffiti.org/dj/jig.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenvandals Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 london takes this thread for sure. there is dope writers everywhere. usa, uk, europe, australia..... some places had thier peak ten years ago, some places are having it now, and some yet to come. time will tell. and for the ones claiming that one place is "better" than the other, you better be one of the top writers in your region to be making claims. in other words...if you arent one of the ones in charge, then dont challenge other countries. ok? cool? yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest william Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Trains are what graffiti is about! That entire experience, from the rust, the smells, the pressure, the sussing, the steel, the chases, getting flicks, getting runners, all of it is the essence of graffiti. To me all that comes before style. It is the foundation. Any real writer who has done trains would rather be in a yard than doing some pissy line peice, but sometimes you have to comprimise due to busts, heat etc. But if you were honest with yourself, it would be trains everytime..and some people manage to do that, and to me they are running things......You could show me the biggest most crazy amazing super dooper wall peice, and it wouldn't stand up to the heart and determination of a fucking 5 minute runup panel..in my opinion. Walls are about the outcome, wheras trains are fun in the context of the entire operation from start to finish, it is an entire experience that is too profound for words. blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest william Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 PS to the dude that said "Australia is the best", with just a hint of harmless sarcasm.........no way...we hold our own, I've travelled to many so called hot spots, Australia has nothing to envy mate, be proud of where your from, some of the most active train bombers WORLDWIDE come from Melbourne and Sydney. no diss dude:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embalmwon Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 listen your the one who thinks your better so you be trying to convince us that europe is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 ok to solove all of this will some1 dig deep in their piles of pics and post that 1 huge ass saber piece? i mean that kills all. it shows persistance,will power,and love for the art. post that and we will win. even though we shouldnt be having a contest or ne shit like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by Serkoff no. stick a leg of a table from ikea up your ass. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. funnie shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdz Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 we get silly in the states:p -cdz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hated Pigeon Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 This aint that relevant..... I've been to the states three times, New York, Cali and the Mid West and also visited a quite a few countries in Europe. So I think I've got a fairly good idea about style. The thing is EVERYWHERE NOWADAYS has got good writers, whether its Poland, South Africa or the Bronx. Just love graffiti for what it is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catwash Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by rip ok to solove all of this will some1 dig deep in their piles of pics and post that 1 huge ass saber piece? i mean that kills all. thats your opinion. my opinion is that it looked better with JA FOE all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_sofarok Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 hmm, this post is fucking irritating, at the end of the day it comes down to personnel taste. What I find really interesting is that the majority of pieces I see posted on here, with the exception of the msk/lts west coast stuff seems to be fairly ‘euro’, people like LEAD, ERUPTO, ONO, GREY, etc etc, all seem to rock a more simple style that compares more directly the Scandinavian an eastern European styles. The more traditional eastcoast wildstyles don’t get much play on here even tho that seems to be the archetype people are holding up against European examples. There’s no way I can or any one else can some up the whole state of affairs in a few paragraphs, a graff mag or forum post. Maybe we should initiate some kind of exchange program!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenvandals Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by william Trains are what graffiti is about! That entire experience, from the rust, the smells, the pressure, the sussing, the steel, the chases, getting flicks, getting runners, all of it is the essence of graffiti. To me all that comes before style. It is the foundation. Any real writer who has done trains would rather be in a yard than doing some pissy line peice, but sometimes you have to comprimise due to busts, heat etc. But if you were honest with yourself, it would be trains everytime..and some people manage to do that, and to me they are running things......You could show me the biggest most crazy amazing super dooper wall peice, and it wouldn't stand up to the heart and determination of a fucking 5 minute runup panel..in my opinion. Walls are about the outcome, wheras trains are fun in the context of the entire operation from start to finish, it is an entire experience that is too profound for words. blah blah blah. i see your point, but the truth is- hitting streets is an crazy experience. i have had alot of fun hitting streets, roofs, trucks, etc. and doind trains. i think legal graff is wack. but you are wrong to say that "walls" are not exciting, because some "walls" are 15 story high ledges in a main part of town....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cree Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 represent what,my nuts Originally posted by crazeeb0b <img src=http://www.southlondon.org.uk/tubes.jpg> this is a collection of shit,the best peice on here is by an australian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catwash Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Re: represent what,my nuts Originally posted by cree this is a collection of shit,the best peice on here is by an australian yeppers. Busie gets down.... the rest of it, hmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hated Pigeon Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Yeah... Got to agree, thats not a very good selection of tubes. Can someone post that moas,tpg,ats affair on the districts. That was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 when it comes to letters and shit like that overall europe apears to be way better.. a definate variety in styles, technique, etc seems to be stressed out that way, but then again thats a continent and this is just a country.. new yorks just a city, and has more shit up its sleaves than a lot of countrys. most of this country seems to drag along behind the innovations of a few people from california and new york.. and the last few years europe has been added into that pot of influences... i guess its understandable given short length of time a lot of these cities in the u.s. have even had graffiti scenes. <most of them still dont have large scenes when you get away from the coasts> .. so overall, no america isnt very good, but there are a handfull of people in america paint shit thats interesting still. hopefully things will pick up though. i know i will still always try my hardest at least to do something new, whether im good or not, well thats a different story all together. <ouch> i dont think you're going to get a very good representation of americas top notch shit (by european standards of top notch) on here or in u.s. magazines... i dont know anyone that i thinks good that sends flix to magazines, or would post something on here. . . im sure most europeans like the stuff that ghost, reas, revs, espo, sento, etc paint ... they do tight shit and get a lot of play for it... but i can understand any europeans thinking america isnt so fresh these days, if its based on letters or styles or whatever. the arguement of trains has always been a useless one, the american scene has no emphasis on them, lots of writers will go and do 1, just to do it.. but its not something to continually hit, or try and compete for quality on. europeans brag about hitting trains in new york, yet ive never heard of a european fucking up the streets of new york extensively... maybe some not so bad areas of manhatten or brooklyn, but ive never heard of anyone thats had south bronx gritty neighborhoods locked down or anything like that. and thats not what european train guys care about. get it? and yes, freights are easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ZEMONEDOE$ Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 fuck you fuckin foriegn fucks. if you aint swet daim loomit or mode2,you flat out stink. i hate that euro shit.they like five years behind us.tryin to jock good style,but they just junk it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evileats Posted November 15, 2001 Share Posted November 15, 2001 Originally posted by *ZEMONEDOE$ fuck you fuckin foriegn fucks. if you aint swet daim loomit or mode2,you flat out stink. i hate that euro shit.they like five years behind us.tryin to jock good style,but they just junk it up. I fucking hate your shitty ass attitude. You sound as nationalistic as a Nazi for christ'sake. Just go die....I fucking hate your attitude. BTW, I am american. And yes, I like Euro shit. And yes I like American shit. But fuck you. Seriously, die slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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