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Darwin's Theory: Natural Selection, "EVOLUTION"

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If you can't convince em, confuse em. That seems to be McLovin's strategy. McLovin, tell me, what is the difference between science and evolution? You fail to understand that if evolution is wrong, the scientific method is wrong, and all of science is therefor wrong. Or you're suggesting that evolution fails the scientific method, in which case scientists would disagree with evolution, which they don't.

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I don't have a strategy .. am i confusing you Soup?

 

"Darwinism is a trivial idea that has been elevated to the status of the scientific theory that governs modern biology." - Dr. Michael Egnor, Professor of Neurosurgery and Pediatrics at State University of New York, Stony Brook

 

just a few scientist who question evolution http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/scientists/

 

I have noticed the parallels between evolution and creationism, If you question or disagree you are bound to be ridiculed. If you disagree with evolution you must not believe in science!?? Evolution is not science it is the act of science. That is like saying im an artist so i am art or i invented art or before me art did not exist. I appreciate the amount of research and study that goes into it and i encourage more. but i don't think it is fair to push this theory as fact. I understand the definition of theory, is there only one definition you choose to observe?

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an article about your dr egnor

 

Egnor is decades out of date and shows no sign of knowing anything at all about evolutionary biology in the 21st century

 

the dissent comes from christians, not scientists. (read into that sentence heavily)

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You are confusing me. Im confused by how you say you're not religious and yet you're arguing that creationism has as much credibility as evolution. There is no body of research by scientists backing the theories of creationism because the world wasn't created 5000 years ago and jesus didn't ride a triceratops. If you've ever been to a creationist museum (and I highly reccomend you go) you know the ENTIRE purpose of the museum is make people leave believing that JESUS RODE DINOSAURS. That's literally their entire agenda. Millions of dollars poured into each of those museums with animatronic statues and exhibits and whatnot ALL in hopes of making you think THIS happened:

 

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Dont believe me? This photo is FROM a creationist museum, whats going on here:

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Darwin was one of the first scientists to identify a piece of evolution called "natural selection." If you don't understand what natural selection is, I posted this already, but here it is again:

 

It's not the whole picture of evolution, but it started the study of evolution. Just like Einstein's theory about light being particles started the study of physics.

 

All of science is based on evidence. If there is no evidence, then it's not scientist. There is no such thing as a "Creationist scientist" just like there's no such thing as "healthy ice cream"

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One obvious way to interpret that poll (at least where it's concerned with church attendance) is that when the scientific experts (like Dawkins) tell you that evolution and religion are not compatible, there will always be a certain portion of the religious community that will deny evolution.

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Who cares what other people believe anyway. There is fact and there

is fiction choose one and get over it.

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the reason i care what other people believe is because i vote and am affected by laws, policy, and regulation put in place by religious folk.

 

the above stats imply that the least educated people are religious. birth control, stem cell research, gay marriage, women's rights, general civil rights, etc are all massively affected by campaigns from churches and "christian" organizations and "christian" voters.

 

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Actually if you read the link soup posted, there is no implication that the least educated people are religious:

 

"Previous Gallup research shows that the rate of church attendance is fairly constant across educational groups, suggesting that this relationship is not owing to an underlying educational difference but instead reflects a direct influence of religious beliefs on belief in evolution."

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Who cares what other people believe anyway. There is fact and there

is fiction choose one and get over it.

 

How bout no? We gotta get America flat out accept Evolution as a fact. Can you imagine living in a country where SIXTY PERCENT of the population thought the world was flat? That's basically where we are right now. SIXTY PERCENT of america doesnt agree with Evolution yet you can see evolution just like you can see the world is round.

 

Evolution is so crucial to your everyday life. It's the reason you're fat, skinny, tall, short, weak, strong, diseased, etc. It's the reason why we can test drugs on mice first, because we're EIGHTY PERCENT genetically similar. It's the reason why we have sex, and why we don't look exactly like our parents, and why it's a bad idea to procreate with your sister. Its the reason why I had to have my wisdom teeth removed when I was eleven.

 

Evolution doesnt dispute RELIGION or the existence of a god. It disputes ONE dumb idea from a group of Abrahamic monotheists (Judiasm and their offshoot religions, Islam and Christianity) that somehow went from being a handful of hipsters in the middle east to 65% of the world population. Evolution still totally jives with monotheism, hinduism, and everybody else who doesnt think Even was spawned of Adam's broken rib.

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Getting everyone to except evolution and disregard what they have been taught their entire lives i think would be a bad idea. It would remove the prospect of everlasting life and the kingdom of god and going to heaven to marry a dozen virgins ect.. It gives meaning and stability to their lives and to life itself. Don't pop the balloon bruh

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God damn if I dont hate agreeing with Soup but your last two post were on point.

 

McNothin, ignorance is bliss and to most extents I say let people do what makes them happy,

and if believe and live their life concerning themselves is what they do with their faith,

im a hundred percent for that, but as fist and a few others have said these unfortunately are

many of the people who vote on retarded laws that dont effect them in any way other than by hurting their little feelings.

 

Keep religion out of politics, and as far as evolution goes ive believed in it for a while now, but I do also consider the possibility of a creator of some sort.

As Soup said, that can totally co-exist

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God damn if I dont hate agreeing with Soup but your last two post were on point.

 

McNothin, ignorance is bliss and to most extents I say let people do what makes them happy,

and if believe and live their life concerning themselves is what they do with their faith,

im a hundred percent for that, but as fist and a few others have said these unfortunately are

many of the people who vote on retarded laws that dont effect them in any way other than by hurting their little feelings.

 

Keep religion out of politics, and as far as evolution goes ive believed in it for a while now, but I do also consider the possibility of a creator of some sort.

As Soup said, that can totally co-exist

 

I love how in order for anyone to agree with me it's obligatory for them to say how much they hate doing so.

 

I do want to add that there are a number of religious people that contributed greatly to the study of genetics and evolution. Gregor Mendel, the Abbott of a monastery in zee Deutschland, was one of the most significant contributors to genetics in history. Even the pope thinks the creationist vs evolution debate is retarded. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-creation-vs-evolution-clash-absurdity/

 

So even if hating on Soup is popular (because Im smarter and better looking than everyone else), you can at least agree with the holy man in the pointy hat.

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No, that shit is false anyway but the reason I hate to agree with you is you're a bleeding heart.

 

And half the shit you say in here is retarded, 3/4 in channel zero and probably 100% IRL.

But when you've got a point, you've got a point.

 

Religious fools throughout history have got down on some science, I dont see why the two cant co-exist. Its like if you're religious, you have to be a retard and fight against science. If you believe in science and evolution it seems to mean you can't believe in anything else.

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Why is it being pushed as complete fact? It is only a theory right? Is it because the idea of one thing changing into another thing over millions of years supposed to be more scientific or is more suitable to teach in schools vs anything else? Should anything be taught in school regarding human origin if there are no definite answers?

 

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There is a small group of researchers that ask these very same questions challenging creationism, natural selection and everything else in between. I suggest a good starting point if you're interested would be Lloyd Pye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE&feature=player_embedded#!

 

http://www.lloydpye.com/

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And there's the obligatory explanation for WHY it's obligatory to hate Soups when he puts you in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with someone smarter and better looking than the rest of 12oz.

 

 

sorry, just trying to give some empirical evidence for this statement you made.

 

 

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:lol: ^

That image was in my head the whole time he was speaking his nonsense.

 

Soup, calm the fuck down jesus.

All I agree with you is that evolution and religion can co-exist.

 

You're not getting a medal or anything, and because you say one thing I agree with it dosent make me uncomfortable, it makes me go ''wow, he's not 100% retarded''

 

Anyway though the subject of evolution and religion are tired to me.

just had to knock Soup off his soap box.

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I'm shaking my head at how you don't get satire. All the years of posts you've gathered thinking you were developing a profile of a person you actually think exists.

 

Meanwhile I have no clue who you are, what other posts you've made, or how long you've been on 12oz. I am gonna judge you for typing "IRL" tho.

 

Also that picture is damn sexy. Makes me want to grow my hair out again.

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Its the internet you fucking dork, sarcasm and satire dont always translate.

Not to mention your dull sense of humor, and poor delivery of such dosent help your cause.

 

I dont know what you're rambling about concerning developing a profile and yada yada yada mainly because I bearly skim what you write.

 

I could care less bruh, no idea who you are other than that horrendeous picture that numerous

oontzers have used to clown you. Basically the only reason I even skim your post in crossfire is a lack there for of as far as anyone consistently posting in these threads.

 

And all thats funny, because you seem like the type of douche who would notice that shit and keep fucking notes like a loser.

 

So whats wrong with an acronym?

I guess that black kid did more brain damage to you in kindergarden that you've shared.

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