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Disagree. short term solution for Europe, confidence will not be high for the future as the problems that led to the Euro-crisis have not been fixed.

 

This gave Europe a couple of months, 6 at the most.

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Don't think of it as a short-term solution for europe. Think of it as a long term solution for Europe's banks. Greece still needs to figure out how it's going to tell it's people "The government can't pay for everything." Banks can't do that.

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Yeah, I understand what you're saying but the banks are directly tied to their governments and the governments are tied to the EU. So the banks have been thrown a printing press right now but that isn't an open ended deal. The EU won't work and will have to change drastically or die. The meeting on the 9th is supposedly going to be moving towards something like this. I don't think that anyone is working with the understanding that the swap deal has fixed anything, it's just bought time for the banks to keep going until a solution for the larger, systemic problem is found.

 

The EU as an economic union simply cannot work. you have a merrcantilist, family based (meaning 'black') economy such as Greece using the same currency as one of the world's largest industrialised economies, the second largest exporter in the world with stringent tax regime. Greece can't service their debt without the EU, they won't be able to get their people to accept the Austerity, they don't have the Soviet threat so the US won't be throwing modern weaponry at them but the Turks haven't gone away. So the structural problems of the EU remain and the US swap deal isn't infinite, the problems and imbalances have to be dealt with and Germany has to bail other EU countries out or face massive defaults and a break up of the EU.

 

Where this comes back on topic is NATO, it's almost dead already and if the EU goes belly up you're going to have Germany looking more towards Russia than ever whilst the Baltic states, Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden and the UK shitting themselves and looking directly at the US for support. This at a time when they US is adjusting its posture to the Pacific.

 

Should be interesting.

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Because you were trying to mediate my conversation with dudes I've talked to for years and know by first name.

You started this derail by talking across (rather than to) Christo-f about some kind of conflated mixture of corruption, taxation and GDP.

 

Who does that? Nobody knows you. Please, shut the fuck up.

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I say that most australians are argumentative retards and that translates to me crying nobody understands me.... Hmmm

 

Why are you derailing the thread with this nonsense? What do you want?

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no. its the general direction you always steer things.

 

if you think soup or anyone else is stupid you don't need to argue about it for any number of posts. everyone in crossfire and a good portion of ch0 knows you think soup is a moron.

 

a lot of us think you're off your rocker, we just don't give enough of a shit about it to argue with you or turn every thread into the same arguments.

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Posting this with the relevance of Hu Jintao's comments to prepare for war.

 

Keep in mind that public statements, the one below by Flournoy as another good example are not to be taken at face value and need to be seen as part of the maneuvering process between the two states. I'm sure most people here realise this, just good to remind ourselves from time to time that for the best insight in to geopolitics one must view actions as opposed to words and constraints as opposed to intent.

 

 

 

US official says military pacts not aimed at China

APAP – 12 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/us-official-says-military-pacts-not-aimed-china-023106097.html

 

BEIJING (AP) — A top U.S. defense official says U.S. moves to strengthen its military alliances in Asia are not aimed at containing China.

 

Defense Undersecretary Michele Flournoy said Thursday that she communicated that message to her Chinese counterparts during annual defense talks the day before.

 

She said her comments came in response to Chinese questions about a decision to base 2,500 Marines for training in Australia next year.

 

Flournoy also said the sides would reschedule joint anti-piracy exercises and other exchanges postponed in September by China in anger over a massive U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

 

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

 

BEIJING (AP) — Chinese and U.S. defense officials met in Beijing on Wednesday to talk about reducing the risk of confrontation after recent friction over arms sales to Taiwan and a stepped-up American military presence on China's edges.

 

The 12th round of U.S.-China Defense Consultative Talks are a barometer of relations between China's 2.3 million-member People's Liberation Army and a U.S. military that is repositioning itself in the Pacific following the winding down of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

While the Chinese military has lashed out at the recent U.S. moves, Beijing's decision to proceed with the talks appears to show it is placing a new importance on regular talks between the sides, even as their rivalry sharpens.

 

Lead Chinese delegate Gen. Ma Xiaotian said going ahead with the meeting shows both sides are committed to improving relations.

 

"We attach great value to this platform to enhance communication, to expand common ground, to promote mutual understanding, to manage and control risks and to avoid miscalculation, this maintaining the stability of our military-to-military relationship," Ma, the People's Liberation Army's deputy chief of staff, said in opening remarks at the hulking Defense Ministry in downtown Beijing.

 

Representing the U.S., Defense Undersecretary Michele Flournoy said next year would be a "very significant" year for relations and "it's very important to cooperate on a number of issues that impact both of our countries," apparently referring to a looming political leadership transition in China and the U.S. presidential election.

 

Neither official referred to the Taiwan arms sale. Beijing says the self-ruled island is Chinese territory to be recovered by military force if necessary.

 

China summoned the U.S. ambassador and warned of damage to relations following an announcement in September of a decision to offer Taiwan the $5.85 billion package to upgrade the island's F-16 fleet.

 

In the weeks that followed, it postponed a visit by the U.S. Army Band and Adm. Robert Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, along with joint anti-piracy exercises and a military medical exchange, scholars Bonnie Glaser and Brittany Billingsley said in an analysis for the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 

China's decision to proceed with the talks, however, appears to show that Beijing has "accepted that suspending overall bilateral military ties does not serve U.S. and Chinese interests," Glaser and Billingsley said, warning also that it wasn't clear yet whether the Chinese side is willing to restore the full range of military-to-military contacts.

 

Besides the U.S. military sales to Taiwan, China is also expected to complain about U.S. military surveillance missions within China's Exclusive Economic Zone.

 

Ma is likely to raise U.S. plans announced in late November to rotate Marines to Australia for training with Australian forces from an Australian army base in Darwin, beginning in 2012, Chinese officers quoted in state media said.

 

Up to 2,500 Marines, infantry units as well as aviation squadrons and combat logistic battalions, will go there from Okinawa or other Marine stations in Japan and elsewhere in the Pacific for a few months at a time.

 

Chinese hard-liners have called the move, along with strengthened military ties with allies Japan and the Philippines as well as former enemy Vietnam, a new U.S. containment policy that must be resisted through more active diplomacy.

 

"The U.S. has always asked China to be transparent about its strategy. It is the U.S. who should make its intentions clear," Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan, of the PLA's Academy of Military Sciences, was quoted as saying in the China Daily newspaper.

 

Flournoy is expected to raise U.S. concerns about territorial disputes in the South China Sea, North Korea, Iran, maritime security, cyber security, nuclear weapons policy, and outer space, Glaser and Billingsley said. She will also seek to reschedule postponed exchanges.

 

China's recent start of sea trials on its first aircraft carrier have emphasized its growing capabilities, particularly in the naval field, raising concerns it apply those to make good on its claim to the South China Sea and its island groups.

 

President Hu Jintao told navy officers Tuesday to extend the modernization of the force and "expand the deepening of preparations for military struggle."

 

Results of Wednesday's discussions will provide an indication of the overall health of military-to-military ties, including whether or not they set an agenda for exchanges next year and how extensive the list is, Glaser and Billingsley said.

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I kinda read that and just thought, "Yep, those are exactly the quotes I was expecting." Who I want to hear from are Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, and every other country that's affected by China's decision to take whatever land it wants for whatever reason they think is valid. Actually, I want to hear China try to explain to westerners why they think they're deserving of taiwan and the south china sea... without resorting to "Fuck you we're china. We gave you pork buns you ingrates."

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haha! they've got a ton of pog jobs.

 

does it say what the time requirement is? if i were single i'd go pog to get australian citizenship

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If you're talking to me, I didn't mean to be misleading. I am not in service, but if you come to Australia - I'll pour some fucking good pints for you.

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not your fault.. but i will drink me some pints.. but i think its a fat chance that it will happen, i did more reading on it and they want me to fly myself to england for a interview on our own expense. If it was more than just an interview i would consider it but flying there to only be told no possibly is kinda crazy.. but who knows, guess i will wait for an email back..

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Yeah, army but I got out in 2000 so it's been a while.

 

I don't get why they would want you to fly to England for an interview, that seems weird as hell. You'd think that they would have points of contact in US, England, France, Canada, NZ and a few other places. I don't get it.

 

Aussie diggers are among the highest paid in the world, not a bad gig, mate.

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That is the only part that gets me too... dont matter really cause i emailed em and got nothing back so far.. so i aint worried about it.. would be fun though

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