Fist 666 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 shai: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/11/29/1925600/occupys-new-tactic-on-the-west.html not a great article, but its something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shai Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The Senate passed the full National Defense Authorization Act and killed the Udall Amendment Tuesday, thus making it possible for the military to hold US citizens without due process. The White House has stated that a veto is imminent and it's very unlikely the Supreme Court will rubber stamp this, but still....if there was any question about who was in charge right now, this should dispel those doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Wow. What. The. Fuck. Total suspension of habeas corpus, even when that was one of the main reasons for the American revolution. Also one of the reasons we closed Guantanamo bay. It's like the senate just declared marshal law. It's the 60's all over again. Now's a good time to start rioting. Edit: I just realized we never closed guantanamo bay. Which means we still have a prision who's inmates are mostly innocent dudes turned in by their neighbors for $10,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~KRYLON2~ Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 look on the bright side, atleast they get health and dental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorteRed Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Heat Our nation is in crisis So what's it's gonna be Hide your head in the sand Or defend your liberties Poverty devastating Unemployment at record highs Congress and their stimulus A shell game in disguise When they feel the heat Oh, they will see the light It's time to mobilize and make them realize We won't be backing down from the fight Let's take what's wrong Oh...and make it right Be the heat and They will see the light Regulations and taxation Is modern day slavery Entitlements trap generations Creating government dependency Real leaders makes it easy With plans we can understand Tee 'em up so we can heat it up It's time to make a stand When they feel the heat Oh, they will see the light It's time to mobilize and make them realize We won't be backing down from the fight Let's take what's wrong Oh...and make it right Be the heat and They will see the light Oh, when they feel the heat Oh they will see the light It's time to mobilize and make them realize We won't be backing down from the fight Let's take what's wrong Oh...and make it right Be the heat and They will see the light We'll be the heat Be the heat And they will see the light Yes, they will see Be the heat And they will see the light © 2011, Lisa Mei Norton & BigDawg Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOPE NOT Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 - you get DANGEROUS. MISSING FOUNDATION . By: RJ Smith - Village Voice - Dec 13, 1988 PETER MISSING - OCCUPY WALL ST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 To OWS: Withdraw Consent and Starve the System[/url] Kinda cool. I saw Rothbards name, so I was expecting a bunch of anarcho-capitalist (an oxymoron) hogwash, but actually center for a stateless society ain't so bad. I'm more of an collectivist rather than an individualist, but at least they're against bosses, capitalism, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I like to tell people that I don't like being told what to do because I already know what to do. Granted, that outlook makes having a job kind of difficult because people in charge tend to take themselves a little too seriously...I also think people that want to be in charge shouldn't be, and vice versa. edit- My friend predicted that there would be a lot more press about the NDAA by today and it turns out that he was right. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Workplace Democracy, yo. Shai, go check out the AK Press in the Bay Area. They are a direct democracy workers collective that print anarcho-books.. Bay Area IWW is coo too. Anyway, that NDAA shit is bonkers. I saw guy speak named Scott Crow and he was on the FBI watchlist for a grip.. An informant by the name of Brandon Darby even tried to get him blow some shit up with dynamite. Because of 9/11 our tax dollars are being spent on the Patriot Act and the DHS trying to entrap anti-war/environmental/peace activists. Even one's like Scott Crow who took care of poor starving peeps in post-Katrina New Orleans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Ground_Collective) when the government didn't are getting spied on and fucked with. And now this NDAA shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 AWESOME SHOW (dogmatic pacifists might not like it) Is this the Revolution? http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2011/11/09/is-this-a-revolution/ Occupy the Machine! http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2011/11/21/occupy-the-machine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Workplace Democracy, yo. Shai, go check out the AK Press in the Bay Area. They are a direct democracy workers collective that print anarcho-books. A bunch of my friends have lived at AK over the years. Believe it or not, they used to have awesome July 4th parties...in 2003 I drank a bunch of lean then almost blew up a car throwing M80s off the roof, got forgiven for that, then packed a lit Weber grill with a bunch of sparklers, ground bloom flowers and firecrackers. Me and my friends thought it was cool when all hell broke loose, but they got super pissed and I said something like "Some kind of anarchists YOU are" and left. They do publish good books though. We ran Brandon out of the camp one night. That was fun too. He's lucky the turf kids didn't know who he was or he probably would have gotten killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klobersaurus Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/28/376430/wall-street-banks-fed-loans-secret/ I really don't see what the protestors are so upset about. Everything seems to be on the up and up to me! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindle Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Rumor has it that the brains behind it are Hamas leaders just trying to get us (America) to turn on each other. rumour has it. And these kids are being tricked into taking down these sites/getting into gov't sites because they think they are doing good for everyone.. and human rights. When in reality it is just Hamas using scapegoats and smokescreens.. now its a fact? :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 alan moore responds to frank miller's comments on occupy this made me happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I wonder if anyone ever told Frank Miller that drawing comics was an unproductive waste of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 People have a hard time separating idealism from reality. I would think career comic book writers would have an even harder time than most. And regarding that thing kobersause posted: It's not unusual for banks to be indebted to the federal reserve for billions of dollars. It's a loan, everybody needs loans, and when you're one of the biggest banks those loans have to come from something bigger. Now the question that Bloomberg asks, "Should the money a bank owes to the federal reserve be public record and/or regulated?" that's up to you to decide. There is no clearcut answer. For a bank like CitiCorp to owe $81 Billion to the federal reserve on any given day, when it at one point was making a billion dollars every month, doesn't bother me. And if the total amount in transactions to all these firms—including a few government agencies if i read that correctly—totaled up to the amount of $7.7 trillion, wheres the foul play if it was all payed back, with interest? This is a normal mechanism of the central bank. I dont know if this is where you want to get mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 how could funds nearly 100x the size of TARP, given in secret, not reported to shareholders or the public, and kept in secret to affect legislature being written/repealed at the time be viewed as "normal mechanism?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Banks by law need to keep a certain percentage of money on their books for all the money they've lent out. The central bank is there to provide short loans to help a bank balance their books on a daily basis. A bank could need to borrow a hundred million dollars for only three days, pay it back, then need to borrow another hundred million a day later. You could see how fifty banks could get up to $7.7 trillion in transactions in just two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorteRed Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 we are not alone :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I could have a lot of fun with that phone number and email address... Panic Good, they should be worried. Imagine what could transpire if people remembered that the way to deal with a bully is not to give them any power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The Port of Oakland got shut down again today. When I left around 7 pm they were discussing whether or not to extend the blockade to the 3 am shift- which was fine, except during the GA it was presented to the crowd as "Everyone who is staying till then, needs to sit down right now." And since I don't like being told what to do, that meant it was time for me to leave. On the way out I ran into my neighbors who were doing a mobile crisis/counseling center out of their bus, so I sat with them and ate pizza till 11 or so and caught a ride home with them. Overall it was pretty uneventful, the crowd was well behaved and the few cops who were there barely seemed interested. I heard different reports about what was going on elsewhere on the West Coast but I haven't caught up on the news yet. I'll probably do that tomorrow, it's been a long couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 And I got in the newspaper- Trust me, I'm in the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 cops beat up preacher... now i'm as pro-church-fire as they come, but seriously? how fucking stupid are police if they'll punch a guy in a collar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 How dumb is someone that punches a cop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltrailer77 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 ^^^ congrats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Shai, I don't really know the background for this blockade. What are the occupiers objectives here? An Open Letter from America's Truck Drivers on Occupy the Ports Submitted by admin on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:05 Originally Posted At cleanandsafeports.org We are the front-line workers who haul container rigs full of imported and exported goods to and from the docks and warehouses every day. We have been elected by committees of our co-workers at the Ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, Oakland, Seattle, Tacoma, New York and New Jersey to tell our collective story. We have accepted the honor to speak up for our brothers and sisters about our working conditions despite the risk of retaliation we face. One of us is a mother, the rest of us fathers. Between the five of us we have 11children and one more baby on the way. We have a combined 46 years of experience driving cargo from our shores for America’s stores. We are inspired that a non-violent democratic movement that insists on basic economic fairness is capturing the hearts and minds of so many working people. Thank you “99 Percenters” for hearing our call for justice. We are humbled and overwhelmed by recent attention. Normally we are invisible. Today’s demonstrations will impact us. While we cannot officially speak for every worker who shares our occupation, we can use this opportunity to reveal what it’s like to walk a day in our shoes for the 110,000 of us in America whose job it is to be a port truck driver. It may be tempting for media to ask questions about whether we support a shutdown, but there are no easy answers. Instead, we ask you, are you willing to listen and learn why a one-word response is impossible? We love being behind the wheel. We are proud of the work we do to keep America’s economy moving. But we feel humiliated when we receive paychecks that suggest we work part time at a fast-food counter. Especially when we work an average of 60 or more hours a week, away from our families. There is so much at stake in our industry. It is one of the nation’s most dangerous occupations. We don’t think truck driving should be a dead-end road in America. It should be a good job with a middle-class paycheck like it used to be decades ago. We desperately want to drive clean and safe vehicles. Rigs that do not fill our lungs with deadly toxins, or dirty the air in the communities we haul in. Poverty and pollution are like a plague at the ports. Our economic conditions are what led to the environmental crisis. You, the public, have paid a severe price along with us. Why? Just like Wall Street doesn’t have to abide by rules, our industry isn’t bound to regulation. So the market is run by con artists. The companies we work for call us independent contractors, as if we were our own bosses, but they boss us around. We receive Third World wages and drive sweatshops on wheels. We cannot negotiate our rates. (Usually we are not allowed to even see them.) We are paid by the load, not by the hour. So when we sit in those long lines at the terminals, or if we are stuck in traffic, we become volunteers who basically donate our time to the trucking and shipping companies. That’s the nice way to put it. We have all heard the words “modern-day slaves” at the lunch stops. There are no restrooms for drivers. We keep empty bottles in our cabs. Plastic bags too. We feel like dogs. An Oakland driver was recently banned from the terminal because he was spied relieving himself behind a container. Neither the port, nor the terminal operators or anyone in the industry thinks it is their responsibility to provide humane and hygienic facilities for us. It is absolutely horrible for drivers who are women, who risk infection when they try to hold it until they can find a place to go. The companies demand we cut corners to compete. It makes our roads less safe. When we try to blow the whistle about skipped inspections, faulty equipment, or falsified logs, then we are “starved out.” That means we are either fired outright, or more likely, we never get dispatched to haul a load again. It may be difficult to comprehend the complex issues and nature of our employment. For us too. When businesses disguise workers like us as contractors, the Department of Labor calls it misclassification. We call it illegal. Those who profit from global trade and goods movement are getting away with it because everyone is doing it. One journalist took the time to talk to us this week and she explains it very well to outsiders. We hope you will read the enclosed article “How Goldman Sachs and Other Companies Exploit Port Truck Drivers.” But the short answer to the question: Why are companies like SSA Marine, the Seattle-based global terminal operator that runs one of the West Coast’s major trucking carriers, Shippers’ Transport Express, doing this? Why would mega-rich Maersk, a huge Danish shipping and trucking conglomerate that wants to drill for more oil with Exxon Mobil in the Gulf Coast conduct business this way too? To cheat on taxes, drive down business costs, and deny us the right to belong to a union, that’s why. The typical arrangement works like this: Everything comes out of our pockets or is deducted from our paychecks. The truck or lease, fuel, insurance, registration, you name it. Our employers do not have to pay the costs of meeting emissions-compliant regulations; that is our financial burden to bear. Clean trucks cost about four to five times more than what we take home in a year. A few of us haul our company’s trucks for a tiny fraction of what the shippers pay per load instead of an hourly wage. They still call us independent owner-operators and give us a 1099 rather than a W-2. We have never recovered from losing our basic rights as employees in America. Every year it literally goes from bad to worse to the unimaginable. We were ground zero for the government’s first major experiment into letting big business call the shots. Since it worked so well for the CEOs in transportation, why not the mortgage and banking industry too? Even the few of us who are hired as legitimate employees are routinely denied our legal rights under this system. Just ask our co-workers who haul clothing brands like Guess?, Under Armour, and Ralph Lauren’s Polo. The carrier they work for in Los Angeles is called Toll Group and is headquartered in Australia. At the busiest time of the holiday shopping season, 26 drivers were axed after wearing Teamster T-shirts to work. They were protesting the lack of access to clean, indoor restrooms with running water. The company hired an anti-union consultant to intimidate the drivers. Down Under, the same company bargains with 12,000 of our counterparts in good faith. Despite our great hardships, many of us cannot — or refuse to, as some of the most well-intentioned suggest — “just quit.” First, we want to work and do not have a safety net. Many of us are tied to one-sided leases. But more importantly, why should we have to leave? Truck driving is what we do, and we do it well. We are the skilled, specially-licensed professionals who guarantee that Target, Best Buy, and Wal-Mart are all stocked with just-in-time delivery for consumers. Take a look at all the stuff in your house. The things you see advertised on TV. Chances are a port truck driver brought that special holiday gift to the store you bought it. We would rather stick together and transform our industry from within. We deserve to be fairly rewarded and valued. That is why we have united to stage convoys, park our trucks, marched on the boss, and even shut down these ports. It’s like our hero Dutch Prior, a Shipper’s/SSA Marine driver, told CBS Early Morning this month: “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” The more underwater we are, the more our restlessness grows. We are being thoughtful about how best to organize ourselves and do what is needed to win dignity, respect, and justice. Nowadays greedy corporations are treated as “people” while the politicians they bankroll cast union members who try to improve their workplaces as “thugs.” But we believe in the power and potential behind a truly united 99%. We admire the strength and perseverance of the longshoremen. We are fighting like mad to overcome our exploitation, so please, stick by us long after December 12. Our friends in the Coalition for Clean & Safe Ports created a pledge you can sign to support us here. We drivers have a saying, “We may not have a union yet, but no one can stop us from acting like one.” The brothers and sisters of the Teamsters have our backs. They help us make our voices heard. But we need your help too so we can achieve the day where we raise our fists and together declare: “No one could stop us from forming a union.” Thank you. In solidarity, Leonardo Mejia SSA Marine/Shippers Transport Express Port of Long Beach 10-year driver Yemane Berhane Ports of Seattle & Tacoma 6-year port driver Xiomara Perez Toll Group Port of Los Angeles 8-year driver Abdul Khan Port of Oakland 7-year port driver Ramiro Gotay Ports of New York & New Jersey 15-year port driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 How dumb is someone that punches a cop? Wouldn't this all depend on the circumstance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 In the exact same way as a cop punching someone is dependant on circumstance? Of course? Did anyone even click on the link to the so called 'church' that he is the "convener (not minister)" of? http://valleyandmountain.org/ Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunt sauce Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Shut the fuck up. All Cops Are Bastards. Don't you know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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