DPMS556 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 This thread is literally Fools arguing with Fools. Its a repetitive battle on ones personal opinion , each trying to convince the other, that thier opinion and facts are wrong. Fist666 to call me a troll on 12oz. ( dude its 12oz ) Honestly Next to AOD ( who I know personally and assocaite with) your views are more in line with us. I rather just talk shit on crossfire threads and I dont take this crap serious. Why even try to have intelligent debates on here. who are you even trying to convince, some left wing hipster, some college kid who probably never held a shovel in his hand, a individual who is regurgitating the latest slogan put out by moveon.org.. LIke I said in early post.. This occupy is Joke, all aspects are unamerican and anti constition/bill of rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 then keep it in channel zero. crossfire has always been for serious discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 This thread is literally Fools arguing with Fools. This is one of those "when you point the finger at someone there's always three pointing back at you" moments. What I want to know- as a generality- is why it's patriotism when the Tea Party wants to air their grievances but anyone associated with the Occupy movement gets painted with the "hippie/socialist/spoiled college brat" brush....and the irony is, if everyone involved hashed out their differences so they could work together on their common goals they'd be a force to be reckoned with. But thanks to things like vanity and shortsightedness it probably won't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mamerro Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 That retarded list of demands you guys have been spending so much time arguing about is not in any way an official summary of what the protest aims to achieve. Says it right there at the top of the page: Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands. I suggest leaving that list alone. Everyone agrees it's stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareOnElmStreet Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 telling my same idiot friends and acquaintances to "fuck-off" as a response to they're questioning the sense in my interest in the topic is getting tired and redundant. what would some of you say, simply, to someone asking "why you're occupying anything???" fucking CHRIST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 This thread is literally Fools arguing with Fools. Its a repetitive battle on ones personal opinion , each trying to convince the other, that thier opinion and facts are wrong. Fist666 to call me a troll on 12oz. ( dude its 12oz ) Honestly Next to AOD ( who I know personally and assocaite with) your views are more in line with us. I rather just talk shit on crossfire threads and I dont take this crap serious. Why even try to have intelligent debates on here. who are you even trying to convince, some left wing hipster, some college kid who probably never held a shovel in his hand, a individual who is regurgitating the latest slogan put out by moveon.org.. LIke I said in early post.. This occupy is Joke, all aspects are unamerican and anti constition/bill of rights. This has to be one of the dumbest things someone has typed out in this thread. You're basically saying that sharing an opinion in here is foolish. Then immediately after saying so, you share yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 telling my same idiot friends and acquaintances to "fuck-off" as a response to they're questioning the sense in my interest in the topic is getting tired and redundant. what would some of you say, simply, to someone asking "why you're occupying anything???" fucking CHRIST! to clarify, you're asking for a basic response as to why we're protesting OR why the act of occupying a place is being used as a means of voicing complaint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Occupy Portland Is Born With Ten Thousand Strong Jeez....that's almost 2% of the population of Portland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareOnElmStreet Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 telling my same idiot friends and acquaintances to "fuck-off" as a response to they're questioning the sense in my interest in the topic is getting tired and redundant. what would some of you say, simply, to someone asking "why you're occupying anything???" fucking CHRIST! to clarify, you're asking for a basic response as to why we're protesting OR why the act of occupying a place is being used as a means of voicing complaint? i'm basically no good at sonning people on the matter. but how can you son someone stupid enough not to think theres ANYTHING worth at least physically participating in demonstration for.? heads in the clouds oners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 my quick response is this: America's democracy and future has been bought, sold, and destroyed in the name of profit for the elite, this is the biggest protest of my lifetime and i cannot stand aside, apathetic and complacent, while my working class brothers and sisters take a stand to try and make our elected leaders hear us and start representing us and our interests, not the interests of wall street and big business. i'm in the middle of watching THE INSIDE JOB (i'd post a link, but the source i found isn't great, i'm sure you can find something better), it seems like its headed in a direction that could motivate some people to be furious enough to take part in their democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 This is admittedly dated, but the principals of the flaws remain the same; http://www.populationenvironmentresearch.org/papers/Colemanmigration.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 There are holes in both, I don't put anything behind the article personally. Always nice to have two sides to the coin though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 'Seeding' as you put it can be initially played hand by the government, but it is undeniable that if large groups from other cultures, especially ESL's, migrate to a different country, they will congregate and segregate by their own choice. Also, there will always be someone willing to exploit the cheaper service of migrant workers. Some of the survey response information regarding Muslim's in the UK is bit on the nose - but that probably has a fair bit to do with when the article was written. Outside of that, the idea of looking within, to increase birth rate before increasing migrant numbers is one I'd have to agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 http://www.blacklistednews.com/Occupy_Wall_Street_Protests_Full_Of_Useful_Idiot_Communists_And_Socialists/15972/0/38/38/Y/M.html Don't know if this has been posted, but I'm kind of agreeing with it, I don't like the views these guys are starting to have. It's leading towards the wrong kind of "revolution". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If you can't see any problem what so ever with a mass group of ESL moving to Australia and segregating from the rest of society - then we obviously will have to agree to disagree. How is 2 racist? Saying that by 2050 white, non Hispanics are likely to be the minority in America isn't racist. Saying that Germany could have a country where over a third of the population isn't German, isn't racist. Consumption before GDP I would speculate. Also, call me a racist if you like, but I still want to be an English speaking country in fifty years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 How did the ethnic replacement in Australia go for the Aboriginals? There is a definite problem with different cultures isolating themselves and segregating through labour force, geography and even general cultural beliefs. You create one country, with multiple culture sets, different morals/beliefs will always battle out and through shear weight of numbers, one will be the majority. Saying they are sweet to come and do all the dirty work, and don't need to be paid as much, or if they're here illegally - it's all cool because they're not entitled to state benefits, is just pushing for that segregation to happen faster. If the entire border policy is purely dependant on economic benefit as a whole, it would be a hard one for me to argue - except maybe consumption. But really, it's more than that. This is only one bloody demand as well! Haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen X Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Also, call me a racist if you like, but I still want to be an English speaking country in fifty years time. Yeah, not because I like it, but you're a racist. This hyperbole is retarded on it's face. The fact you even entertain this position shows your lack of qualification in matters both general and specific relating to history, politics, and finance. Quick, look behind you! No really! It's Obama and he's comin' fer yer guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 People are fleeing countries where their culture, over time, has broken down, or failed to build society to a point where it is desirable to live there at all. Allowing that ingrained culture/religion to simply move, whilst not changing the mind set, will surely just create the same situation over time. By culture I will admit I am leaning that more towards religion. I do understand that culture is a very broad term, heck, so is religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah, not because I like it, but you're a racist. This hyperbole is retarded on it's face. The fact you even entertain this position shows your lack of qualification in matters both general and specific relating to history, politics, and finance. Quick, look behind you! No really! It's Obama and he's comin' fer yer guns! Obama has pretty much zero impact on my life in the Outback of Australia. That specific line wasn't great. I'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen X Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Obama has pretty much zero impact on my life in the Outback of Australia. I couldn't think of an Aussie specific paranoid screed so I went with something which would typify you easily in the eyes of our American users. I suppose I could have said it was dingo after your baby but that's not really apropos either... Nonetheless, I think my point was made and taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I don't take it person by person. I take it the only way it can be taken, and that is by looking at a mass of a certain cultures populations. As wrong as you think it is for me to assume that all of the people from a certain country harbour some of the cultural 'problems' of that country, it is equally as wrong of you to assume that they don't. There have been a lot, yes, quite a lot, but that flow is stemmed by migration policies which means that half the country can't jump on a plane and head over to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen X Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Wouldn't the most logical assumption be that anyone dedicated and affluent enough to migrate to Austrailia is fully aware of their own "cultural 'problems'"... or is that just a euphamism for 'ways they don't immediately fit with indigenous norms'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 It would be the most logical assumption NOW, yes, of course. I am talking under a completely open border policy - we aren't talking about what is already happening, we are talking about opening the doors to anybody that wants to come here. Right now I assume all of the migrant workers that I currently employ are dedicated, fluent(ish) in the first language of our country, and have been sufficiently record checked. They all work very hard. We aren't talking about current policy - we are talking about completely open borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareOnElmStreet Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 my quick response is this: America's democracy and future has been bought, sold, and destroyed in the name of profit for the elite, this is the biggest protest of my lifetime and i cannot stand aside, apathetic and complacent, while my working class brothers and sisters take a stand to try and make our elected leaders hear us and start representing us and our interests, not the interests of wall street and big business. i'm in the middle of watching THE INSIDE JOB (i'd post a link, but the source i found isn't great, i'm sure you can find something better), it seems like its headed in a direction that could motivate some people to be furious enough to take part in their democracy. "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fist 666 again." i took a LOT of fucking pictures at todays march in boston. i'll be uploading some here if there are no objections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Excuse the derail from me and Frankotronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen X Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 It would be the most logical assumption NOW, yes, of course. I am talking under a completely open border policy - we aren't talking about what is already happening, we are talking about opening the doors to anybody that wants to come here. Right now I assume all of the migrant workers that I currently employ are dedicated, fluent(ish) in the first language of our country, and have been sufficiently record checked. Well, in the case of Austrailia, what I'm saying is that everyone either gets off a boat or a plane. It's not like America where immigration issues are most often saddled on the Mexicans. Mexicans can literally walk across the border unhindered. There are large populations of Spanish speaking people (Mexican or not) in every region of the US so language doesn't have to be an issue. I don't think this makes them any less able or willing to work, no less desirous of police protection nor more willing to commit crime, and, no less willing to participate in a representative democracy so... as far as Austrailia, I think that's just a non-argument and in America I think it's overhyped. Language proficiency can be easily taught and it's long been proven that those who fail to gain a working skill with new languges are often past the age of 50, old enough to be great grandparents in most parts of the world. I'm ok with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprotester Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You're talking about current climate still. I have been talking about the proposition of completely open borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen X Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 No, I'm talking about any workable immigration plan in the future. Nobody is going to just fling open the gates and let everybody come on in. Nobody wants war criminals, or criminal criminals or anybody like that moving on in. Period. There will always be some sort of vetting, Again you've journeyed into the realm of absurdity. But you're correct w/ the derail apology and we can take this up in an immigration thread at another time. Back on topic, who else thinks this 53% guy is an asshole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 http://www.blacklistednews.com/Occupy_Wall_Street_Protests_Full_Of_Useful_Idiot_Communists_And_Socialists/15972/0/38/38/Y/M.html Don't know if this has been posted, but I'm kind of agreeing with it, I don't like the views these guys are starting to have. It's leading towards the wrong kind of "revolution". idiots will be idiots, but those groups are not capable of steering this any direction. they are capable of catching the camera's eye and furthering the idea that this has no direction, thus steering downwards... i guess we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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