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I took some art classes at a city college which is basically just as cheap as community college and i learned a good amount of stuff. The basic skills for drawing/painting. I guess if you peruse it your work will get alot better, not necessarily because you are learning alot, but more because your doing so much of it everyday for 4 years. You probably will get sick of art and once you graduate never want to do it for enjoyment ever again.

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I have two friends who went to art school. One went on to become a reasonably compensated illustrator who makes a living drawing. The other finished school and realized he could not take the ten dollar an hour pay cut to get the entry level jobs that were available to him.

 

All that IT and creative shit is about what you can do, degrees matter only in certain executive positions in so far as I can tell.

 

My unrelated 0.02.

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im currently enrolled as an Art B.A. but i havent chosen a concentration yet. recently ive been feeling like i want to switch my major to Music/sound engineering, seeing as how DJing/making shit has been my main focus for a while, and possibly drop art to my minor? because ultimately i feel like art is more of a hobby to me, although, i still want to have some formal education in that area.

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Judging by the people I know who work in marketing, marketing is nothing but bitches and faggots. Real alphas do sales.

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^ :lol:

 

Some of the most commercially sucessful artists I know dropped out of art school. I think trying art school definately helps though.

 

If you want to learn design, you need to learn more about practicalities I think. In Australia theres an institution called TAFE. It's less expensive than uni and has more or less a purely practicle focus. Something like that I think is ideal for getting a base for design. Find out which places are the most reputable and obviously try to get into the best one.

 

During your time studying such a thing you should obviously make any possible internships and your portfolio your prime concern and not much else.

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I went to art school for design, had a great time, and now work in a well paying job. The only downside is that art school makes you think you'll be doing awesome projects when in reality 90% of the time its boring. Its that 10% that makes you want to continue working. That said, I'm probably going to make a slight career change by next year.

 

If you go to art school, like Mams said, keep and open mind and dont let the other fuckers get you down.

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Also what drue down said is true about low paying highly competitive work at first. The difference is in your portfolio.

 

It's highly competitive but there's alot of people out there who do not have stand out porfolio's also. If you have some talent and you work very hard at it. You'll still have to do a mind numbingly boring job at first. But you'll get your foot into the door faster and possibly in a better place. If you find yourself shit kicking in a good media place to start off with, that's better then making shitty catalogues or something.

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after seeing what became of many of the people i know who went to art school, i have no regrets about getting a science degree and doing art on the side.

if i had to do a quick rough sketch, only about 1 in 10 became what people think of as 'artists' ...some others, maybe 2 of the 10 got a little luckier and ended up with jobs doing crappy shit like advertising or faux finishing.. the rest didn't do shit with the degree and have tons of loans

 

granted, i'll never be famous, but i don't have that kind of talent anyway, and in my experience, art school doesn't matter when someone DOES have that kind of talent.. for example i bet el mammerro would have turned out pretty well even if he hadn't gone

of course i could be wrong about that, who's to say? it's also obvious that he really exploited the opportunities he was given. being super hungry and open-minded will get you a long way, but that goes for any field.

 

if you are going to become an art teacher, or are totally comfortable going to art school and ending up a cook, then go and make the most of it

if you really want a serious jobby job one day that will pay, you should think about a 'career' instead

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I nearly went this route- I checked out CCA, FIDM and SFAI- but realized I wasn't going to learn anything I either didn't already know or could learn about for free. Plus I was 28 and have never been much of a scholar, so it didn't really make sense or sound appealing when I thought about it....I think what you get out of art school is a lot of art history and marketing skills. Which aren't bad, but anyone can figure that shit out independently, but you go to school to get that piece of paper. Meh.

 

A bunch (20+) of my friends have art degrees. Three of them are really successful fine artists. A couple tattoo. My best friend is finishing up an art history degree she doesn't want since she's a photographer. The rest are doing shit where an art degree doesn't apply.

 

But if that's what you want to do, do it. If I ever change my mind I'll probably go for something like fabrication/industrial arts.

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honestly, i think art is one of those things where you can learn more just doing it than paying for an education for it. kinda like cooking, you can either start out as a prep cook, or pay 40grand for a culinary degree, and then still start out as a prep cook. then you can work your way up at the same pace, except one person didn't spend 40,000$

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If you want to learn design programs you can teach yourself if you have the discipline.

 

If you want to learn how to produce fine art. Formal training can help and I think to be honest a lot of people who say learn it on the street or whatever are not people who spend a lot of time making art for galleries.

 

I'm not saying formal training is absolutely nessecary. I deliberately don't have much and I've been fine so far. But I am saying it can make a real difference to someone with some natural talent and that you can often tell from a persons work if they were trained or not. ( that's not always clear cut good or bad).

 

If you go to a traditional school or you learn illustration for example. You also run the risk of developing a finished look that ultimately looks similar to a lot of other people from such schools or that typical illustrative style. So you have to think about that.

 

A lot of peoples stuff is technically pretty well painted but it personally bores me because it looks the same as a lot of other people... And on of that their ideas aren't all that good. ( having good ideas makes a huge difference I think )

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Go blue collar.

 

Live without a school loans. Get paid well. Work with your hands. Talk shit to co workers all day without repercussion.

 

I know youve seen office space.

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i just wrote a fucking ton and closed my browser.

 

i'll be back tomorrow to re-write it.

 

if you love it: go get a bachelor's degree in design. don't get a degree in advertising. advertising is essentially a shitty design degree with a little bit more of the marketing side thrown in. do your best and make a fucking amazing book. go to a reputable school. if you can't afford it, hustle harder. i was broke as shit and did it by myself.

 

a degree gets you an interview and an outstanding portfolio gets you the job.

 

if you're unsure: save your money, time, and sanity.

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I enrolled in community college at 30. I had been on a 15 year hiatus from education. I hate authority and a lot of the ideology that's settled into formal education. I tried to educate myself and I became pretty good. I was landing shows for my painting but I was sick of working service and construction. I wanted a career in the arts.

When I enrolled in the local college I just took whatever I wanted (e.g. art history classes, swimming, marketing, small buisness, all kinds of art shit & welding.) Never got a degree.

I did end up figuring out that I am and never will be the next white wall phenom; I had a good chance to take that style that I was raised on through graffiti and apply it to metal. I was accepted as a transfer student to a great craft school and got a bfa in metal. This education and ability to network with experts in the field was and continues to be invaluable to my everyday life and career.

In short:

Is art school insanely expensive-yes

Is it filled w/TFK'S that I couldn't relate to at all-yes

Did it teach me a better way to create and a way to get paid doing it-yes

Would I take it back and learn it "on the street?"- fuck no.

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