MOCA Art in the Streets Los Angeles.............................

[TheoHuxtable..]

Looks pretty incredible. I'll probably be there...

[TheoHuxtable..]

Iz the wiz will be going there too?? cool... glad to NOT see cope in that line-up

 

 

Funny I saw an Iz The Wiz throwup in an alley in LA today... that must be why he's in town.

[Pistol]

Planning on going.

Maybe i'll snipe some flicks.

[Tavaruawon]

Fittin' to be in LA early May anyways. Good call Poe.

I will be there with my illest Fedora. Oh yes, I will be there.

[Swindle]

if i could go i would. and id take it for what it is; a show with cool stuff to look at, nothing more.

[Poesia [ ] T]

Catch me there in a velor Sean John sweat suit freshly manicured nails gold fronts rocking zulu beads with a Furry Kangol talking bout keeping it real street

[substanceOVERhype]

T;8081421']Here is the best article so far on how and why deitch picked who he did. Also Roger Gastman was a co-curator and he just put out the new book history of graffiti which also could be argued.

 

http://www.laweekly.com/2011-04-07/art-books/street-art-at-moca/

 

One thing i will say is that I am a whole lot more relieved that this is the lineup than what has been shown in galleries the last 10 years, you should hear how much the street artists are bitching about the lineup as it seemed graffiti prevailed over street art in the amount of artists that where represented. Your never going to get something this big right but i think this is pretty damn close for a first attempt.

 

Then why arent you in it? You are arguably one of the people from the 90's ( along with Joker and Gaze) who where doing "influential " things that most of the people today are getting credit for, It's almost too ironic to me, that you are excited about this. I dont have any problem with people getting their 15 minutes of shine, but the whole thing to me stinks to high heaven. I dont expect anything to change, and I understand how something like this can happen, and did happen. But it doesnt mean I have to agree with it. Things need to change. And I can say for myself, Im not waiting around for handouts to make them changes.

[substanceOVERhype]

SPIKE JONZE?

 

WTF???

 

i saw spike breakdance in front of a movie theatre on MTV once, lay off him... he's an O.G.

 

and influenced me from that day forth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

plus hes guerranteed to promote the event to his people so....... he's a smart decision.

[christo-f]

I'm down for Van Halen!!

[Poesia [ ] T]

Then why arent you in it? You are arguably one of the people from the 90's ( along with Joker and Gaze) who where doing "influential " things that most of the people today are getting credit for, It's almost too ironic to me, that you are excited about this. I dont have any problem with people getting their 15 minutes of shine, but the whole thing to me stinks to high heaven. I dont expect anything to change, and I understand how something like this can happen, and did happen. But it doesnt mean I have to agree with it. Things need to change. And I can say for myself, Im not waiting around for handouts to make them changes.

 

I understand your point but its just the way the ball bounces i guess, I dont feel that if so and so isnt in the show its not correct. Its just the circumstances i look in the mirror about not being in a show like this or not having my part in history. I did take some time away, and it cost me. I agree artists like Gaze and Joker should be included but i understand why there not, our culture is too big to get it all done with one sweep. I think what IHU said is correct there are some other talents that got left off the list, but i guarantee alot of those guys will be involved when this show travels east. The reason why Im excited about it is because they came close to getting it right and took a step in the right direction. With street art being such a fad and dominating the art world the last 10 years it would have been easy for deitch to erase us from history and crown street art in our place. What he did is a big deal, you can ask anyone that follows our history and place in Art. Legends cant get shows with talent over some hipster that paints in his studio and uses social media to get fame. You guys might not give a shit but a lot of the older cats like myself and other middle age graffiti artists who have evolved into painting and showing work in galleries its important. Most the guys that do paint to make a living are competing with street art kids with no history and a strong hipster following. If your a legend trying to make a living in art this is a daily issue you deal with. So when a show like this comes along you take the good for what it is, crying over the small shit is just not seeing the big picture. This is our history and when guys that are young now want to maybe fuck it put up the krink for a paintbrush cause your going on 3 strikes or 3 kids you know what fuck it. Shows like this will have paved the way for you to make that decision. You can transition 20 years of graf into a career or go and flip burgers. Thats on you.

[IHATEU]

spike is a "smart decision" like all them fools... gonz, terry richardson, templeton (all who i admire their art and own originals from) but none of them did "street art" let alone graffiti but i mean hey lets leave out sp, porn, gaze, ghost, vulcan(whoms work i dont even care for but understand his place), erni, min, skeme, cap just to name a few off the head whom i know are not in the moca show... i mean i know its a huge undertaking and i respect the effort but think old jeffery should have been kept in check by roger and writers who told them BOTH to specifically include two whom were left out who BOTH do art in the "art world" but in the end he was allowed his personal parade of favorites which in my opinion soiled the integrity of the shows actual point...

i see poes point of view and i can respect the way he is looking at it too.. cup half full for you bro! ha

 

ps. not in the show as installing and getting major wall space, some of the above could have photo representation in the show, im not 100% on that part...

[substanceOVERhype]

Sent, Ghost, Ja, Cope2, Veefer, Stay high 149, Vulcan, Rif170, Tkid 170, Daim, Cornbread, Banksy, Blek Le Rat, JOZ and EASY, SEEN, SANE/SMITH, CASE2, KEL1ST, CES, JEST TVT, VET TMC, and the list can go on and on. All of which arguably had huge impacts on the world for their individual reasons. There are people included with this show who never had any impact in ANY way on their own scene.

 

There's actual writers names on that list Ive never even heard of in my entire life. Toxic? ajk161? Roa? Snake 1? Stelios? Koor? Eine? Stecyk ? Andre? Forgive my ignorance in advance, but these guys are either some West coast guys I never heard of cuz theyre super underground, some street artists who got lucky, or just someone who knows someone.

 

The real problem here is a man who knows nothing about graffiti and a co curator from DC being the authority on who or who isnt involved in a show with an amazingly arrogant name.

 

The worst thing that is going to come from all of this is the people who know absolutely nothing about Graffiti or street art will now have a warped view of actual history. They would have been better of doing a West Coast history in the LA Moca and then a East Coast history in Brooklyn next year. Both including whoever they felt where important European assets divided amongst the 2 shows.

 

 

Again, the show as an accomplishment is commendable in its size, but the title is wrong and amazingly arrogant of a claim and a lie.

[Poesia [ ] T]

Yeah alot of those guys are street artists and pretty wack street artists but like i said i look at the percentages and percentage wise im ok with it.

 

I think thats the plan playing local favorites to location then traveling and allowing the other local guys do the installs. Alot has to do with cost also of shipping 20-30 artists back and forth im sure they had the budget but its like home field advantage. Im sure the core of the show will be the traveling part that will have the real legends. I also agree its pretty tough, really there are no authoritative figures on this if you read that article there are some good quotes on that. Who would you choose to co curate, thats a tough one.

 

"Still, MOCA invited only those artists who have a certain finesse. If you’re a die-hard devotee searching for a ’90s tagbanger from Portland, Ore., you may be disappointed. “What people need to understand is that this is not a graffiti nerd show,” Deitch says. “It’s not one piece from everybody who ever worked. Some people are bound to come out and say, ‘You got the story wrong,’ or, ‘You didn’t include this person.’ Well, maybe, but this is unlike when somebody is doing a pop art show 30 years after it happened. There you’re dealing with a whole body of exhibition records and books and artists’ archives. We don’t have that here. Things come from different directions — people with good memories or fanatics with pictures, not one central place.” "Some artists who were invited, among them self-described “graffiti nerds,” were hesitant to get involved. “The common misconception here is that this show is a complete history or an L.A. graf show,” Gastman says. “It’s neither of those things. It’s 30 to 40 artists who raised the profile of an entire movement with high artistic merit. ... The participating artists were very supportive once they understood this intent. ... There is a reason and thought behind every one of the pieces included.”

[substanceOVERhype]

T;8081973'] I dont feel that if so and so isnt in the show its not correct. Uhh' date=' what? Thats exactly the problem.[/color']

 

 

With street art being such a fad and dominating the art world the last 10 years it would have been easy for deitch to erase us from history. You may not realize it now, but that is exactly what is happening in the long term ramifications of something of this magnitude and its effects on a global scale.

 

Most the guys that do paint to make a living are competing with street art kids with no history and a strong hipster following. This is the reason the power to tell the truth should be done correctly, this is a split second in time to wipe clean all the bullshit and set the record straight, so moving forward the world can see the truth. A hipster fanbase doesn't mean shit to someone whose dedicated his entire life to his craft, especially the ones who've impacted the globe in their own right. Instead of Dietch and his side kick using their power of voice to come correct to a worldwide forum, they're continuing to allow the bullshit and playing favoritism.

 

 

If your a legend trying to make a living in art this is a daily issue you deal with. So when a show like this comes along you take the good for what it is, Tell this to the people who got left out who have dedicated over 30 yrs of their life to graffiti that some street artist whose been around for 5 yrs took his place, or some proffessional skateboarders, or Fab 5 Freddy. ...

 

 

Shows like this will have paved the way for you to make that decision. This is amazingly inaccurate, the writers and their impacts on the globe are making the youth pick up a brush and try painting, these types of incomplete views of history confuse the youth and sometimes even create false idols. These shows are only notorious for curators and gallery owners to profit off of the credentials , integrity and history of the artists they choose to show.

 

You can transition 20 years of graf into a career or go and flip burgers. Thats on you. And its on you for not speaking up if Vulcan is forced to flip burgers. It's your responsibility as a mature adult writer who knows the deal to not support bullshit or at least see whats going on right in front of you and realize history is about to be RE written in the favor of the elite.

:nope:

[substanceOVERhype]

really there are no authoritative figures on this if you read that article there are some good quotes on that. Who would you choose to co curate' date=' thats a tough one.[/quote']

 

 

They could have easily had one person from Frisco curate his area, one from L.a. curate souther cali, one or 2 people from NYC choose their peers. and one person choose the European impacts to be chosen, as well as the respectable street herbs to pic from their peers, this way it is easy to hold each responsible. As it is now, Dietch and the guy from While you where sleeping? LOL

[Late90's-LooneyToons-G]

[Late90's-LooneyToons-G]

REFRY

 

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k544/bumslife11/Screenshot2011-04-09at124820AM.png

[Poesia [ ] T]

I deal in Reality, or you can call me a realist but this is as close graffiti is ever going to get to being accurate. This is a Museum, and in a Museum setting which is basically a higher end gallery your going to have a snapshot of a larger picture. So dealing with these institutions you are always going to get a skewed image of reality. There is no other place anywhere besides the streets that can bring an alternative and true image. Reality is galleries, and museums have hidden agendas we cant change that, whats the alternative not to do any show? Maybe we can all step up as a culture and do something about it, but i dont see that happening anytime soon. Although we are huge in numbers we are the most split up and divided culture there is. There is no common ground really with graffiti writers. These are things that I have been discussing with og's over the last year and its the reality. We barely have a voice because writers in nature are not supportive of each other and would rather keep it local, crew or just elitist. Street artists work together are nice people generally, blog about each others work give props. It sounds gay, but thats the truth. Its like they are the polar opposite of us, and that works to there advantage. When something happens in graffiti do you see any blogs re blogging shit till you throw up. When Banksy puts a piece up you cant read any blog without seeing it. When vulcan does a piece in a SF Alley its not even a footnote, its not even in the SF thread in this a graff website. Thats reality. So unless we start changing some of those things, i dont see us being able to enforce the power of our numbers. There is more pieces damage, and burners done daily than probably a months worth of street art but when you look on the internet it feels backwards.

 

I agree these cats have no reason to be in this show, but Im not going to disregard the positive in the show for the small negative. The name of the show pisses me off. Reading the new juxtapoz, which i dont anymore cause shit is wack. It pisses me off as you read the interviews and hear them trying to slant the street art perspective into graffiti. Subliminally trying to distance themselves from the term. So yes it upsets me, but i can only do what i can with my own site that i discuss and showcase artists and comment on my perspective. Also keep painting and contributing. Thats all i can do. If everyone did that who knows we might have more blogs with real content and perspective. Its an uphill battle Im in no way conceding, but we all need to get on the level then see what can happen then.

[Poesia [ ] T]

Damn if you guys are upset about this lineup what did you think about Gastmans book.

 

[CONCRETE RIVER]

This conversation sucks I wanna talk about vaginas

[CLICKCLACKONER]

I know in my mind what's real when it comes to graff. I don't really give 2 shits on what some hipster in silverlake or williamsburg think what our shit is about.

[screaming hand logo]

lol

 

mr cope2 says:

March 13, 2011 at 5:06 pm

 

i was one of the first artist to be informed about this by roger gastman

and really thought i had a shot to get my art and name up in here

but i guess not

its all good im sure someday it will allot of the artist in this show are really good friends of mine so im happy for them and proud that there up in there im sure they all deserve it

but otherwise i think mr jeffrey deitch did a really good job

ill be there to see it and enjoy the show got my flight booked already!!

[The Fun Police]

Cope fixed his caps lock?

[yinz n'at]

lol

[KnifeHits RS]

Cope2 speaks only in really long run-on sentences though and thats how you know its him and its legit but they really should have given him a spot in the show but Im glad he ll still be there and at least his some of his friends are in there too and that's whats up!

[KILZ FILLZ]

I'm pointing at my phone right now

[RIPS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y0T60MwBc4

[El Mamerro]

"Art in the Streets"

 

I don't get what's so wrong and arrogant about the title. Seems straightforward to me.

 

I'm prepping a shoot that day (pretty close to Santa Monica) so I don't think I'll be able to make the opening, but if we finish early I'll try to drop by.

[sausage party]

im going to go there and take a big dump in the middle of the floor and then steal like three bags

[sayWORD?]

maybe you can steal copes cheque book.