a terrorist tried to blow up my city

[pornbooth]

Reality tho, someone slid a burning match book under my door last night.......

 

I understand now. it was the somolians who own the store fronts under my apartment building and what was pointed out by a friend today before I heard this is that I'm a minority in this building, its true I'm one of the only light skinned peeps livin here.

 

Somolians fo allah!

[Soup]

Arguments set aside.... what if he was smart enough to not find the feds to help him out? This would be no wtc status but it would be fucking horrible and a big part of the world would be watching they tv's seeing the deth tolls rise.....

 

 

This could of been bad, real bad michael jackson.

 

If you read the FBI report theres a lot of holes, which you can fill any way you want. NH. Here's my take on it.

 

Mohammud, raised in america hates america. He emails some random dude in pakistan, asking around for some contact information with a terrorist group. The dude gives him a fake email address and tells him to email that addy and leave him alone. Since it wasnt a real email address, the FBI email him, pretending to be a terrorist saying "doh, i changed my email address, I want to meet you." This kid doesnt even email the first guy again saying "yo is this your friend or am i getting played?" Probably because the first dude didnt want anything to do with him.

 

The FBI pretending to be terrorists pick him up and indoctrinate him into their fake faction. They drive him out into a field, where they blow up some random shit to show him they're serious. They help him find a target location, make him a bomb, drive him to portland, set him up in some hotel, and give him a car to drive the bomb to the location. He also didnt know how to drive, so they drove him there, and helped him arm the explosive.

 

The FBI move in and make the arrest then book him for attempt to detonate a WMD.

 

 

Ok so while we're playing the "what if he could make a bomb?" Say he could make a stable, phone detonated bomb. He found all the materials, was able to safely mix OVER FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS of volatile chemicals together without blowing himself up, conjured the electrical engineering skill to design/program/construct a remote detonation device, and safely put it all together. Lets also say he knows how to safely arm the explosive and detonate it.

 

HE STILL NEEDS TO LEARN TO FUCKING DRIVE AND BUY A CAR.

How much more involvement in this terrorist attack does the FBI need before you can claim they trained this kid to be a terrorist?

 

Keep in mind also that the FBI wants to be the one to arrest him, so they're also helping him evade police and go unnoticed the entire time. Left to his own devices he probably wouldnt be so lucky.

 

And by this point, if he's capable of doing all this, isn't he smart enough to enjoy america?

Also, think about how much time and effort the FBI spent making sure this kid became a terrorist. This whole operation lasted almost a full year. You could've trained this kid to be a veterinarian in that time.

[SwampFightOner]

He was born in Somalia. Just sayin

[pornbooth]

Something really horrible could have happened.... that's my point and this is my thread.

[RIPS]

failure people

 

[armand hammer]

"the cancer patients said he might blow it up lets arrest him anyway"

[TreSixO]

Thanks Al Qaeda!

 

Ok seriously tho, what are the details of this? The bomb was a fake planted by the FBI as a part of some sting, so how real is this? Was there ever a real bomb? The FBI didnt arrest a terrorist organization, a terrorist leader, or even a real bombmaker. The FBI arrested some poor somalian kid taught to hate america holding a fake bomb that we gave him. Whoop dee fucking doo.

 

people forget this is another sting. the bomb was never real, nor was the plan. this is a harmless somalian kid who was propped up by undercover agents so it looks like they are keeping america safe, but really they just set up chumps like this in stings so they can keep their jobs.

[stoopit]

Basicly the FBI unconstitutionaly arrested a young would be terrorist for a pr stunt making a mountain out a mole hill!

 

This dude would have eventualy hurt some one and was talking to openly about his views and the actions he would be willing to take so the FBI tagged him.

 

The average 19 year old doesn't have capsity to build a bomb of that magnitude, bomb making is a art that take years of testing and fine tuning to create them.

 

FBI built it and handed him the trigger, once he dialed the sequence code he was arrested.

 

So nobody was in any imminent danger but they make it seem like the FBI agent was there to tackle a terrorist seconds before he was able to detonate a bomb to kill thousand of innocent Americans on some John Mclain shit.

[armand hammer]

[Soup]

I'm banging my head against a wall right now. The news should be held accountable for inciting these kinds of riots:

 

Fire at Christmas-tree bomber's mosque set 'intentionally'

http://www.katu.com/news/local/110934919.html

 

THink of the irony here: How many americans would go to Iraq and bomb a mosque if given the opportunity? Should the FBI spend their time entrapping every single wingnut that wishes they could hurt people? Or should they spend their time going after real terrorist networks, real bombmakers, and people not only with the will but the means to carry out that will?

[Realism]

That's sickening, and it's too bad there won't be much of a followup into finding out who did it (even though it was a weak attempt), although that's probably just me being all gay and patriotic again.

 

Doesn't matter who you are; if you're trying to kill a bunch of innocent people whether you're using misguided religious ideals or a bunch of jingoist bullshit you should be held accountable...

[HellBusRide]

I can see both sides of this,but i kinda tend to have to agree with Soup..We cant keep wasting our time and setting people up just to say,"Look, we got em."Its obvious that they are trying to mislead people into thinking that they averted a disaster when in fact they created it...thats a fact...BUT,it is possible that the suspect at some point could have got it together to do this himself...I think thats where it gets tough.We need to start thinkin about why do these people hate us so much????and please dont say cuz of our freedom..(BTW-Im from Portland and that looks to be Pioneer Square-talk about close to home)

[HellBusRide]

There is a war on terror..its just too bad that many of the terrorists are supposed to be on our team

[andrewreynoldsx]

i don't know if it's my computer or scrib'd, but the affidavit is gone

[TreSixO]

There's no "who did it"

The entire plot from start to finish was a federal sting

Do you guys read thse rticles? There was never an organized plot from forigen terrorists, it was a fakebomb planted by the feds so they could bust this guy because he was too vocal about hating america.

 

 

Busting this guy not only doesn't make us safer, it detracts funds and crucial man hours from tracking down real dangers to our nationand distracts all of us from the fact they can't catch osama

[Crocodile Tears]

yeah i read the entire thread.

 

 

 

 

I'm banging my head against a wall right now. The news should be held accountable for inciting these kinds of riots:

 

let me tell you, years ago i would have been all over this, there is so much to say and so little that listen. and even if people did listen, what impact does it really make? it is still somewhat entertaining to watch a few different angles dueling it out over whats real and whats not, what matters and who was fooled.

 

politics are motivated by just about any intangible ideology you can think of, making arguments like these are just an inept retort to prove the perfect moot point. in the end they just turn into self vanity. exhausting energy here whether you are right or wrong in the pejorative sense is analogous to exactly what i quoted.

 

at the end of the day we must not forget the lulz gentleman, the lulz

politics always turns into intellectual masturbation

[GZOO]

If he could learn how to make a bomb and the remote detonation device, I'm almost sure he could figure out how to drive a car.

 

It's not r0kit surgery br0.

[john brown]

surgery or science, br0?

[BlueberryBuds]

This story is propaganda! The war on terror is bullshit. There is nothing to be scared of. Open your eyes and stop being sheep.

[RIPS]

 

There are no terrorists threats against the USA.

 

11/09/2001 was an inside job.

[TreSixO]

this is what the war on terror has become, feds setting up harmless angry immigrants and forigen nationals as an endless series of distractions, distracting you from the fact they cant catch Osama or anyone who poses a real present threat to american security,

we need stallone to nighthawk these terrorists

[injury]

yo soup you know you're wrong, right?

 

do you really?

 

ok. lissen carefully.

 

just because he "didn't have the knowledge" to drive or make a bomb doesnt mean he wasnt going to try to acquire it. you're saying the gov't should have watched and waited for him to get the thing set up for real? and potentially lose contact with him? watch him move out of the country and then return in 5 years under a new name and identity?

 

instead of duping someone and giving him multiple chances to, i dunno, not make a bomb, the FBI should have said "oh word, ok, this kid is stupid and talking to people to learn how to make explosives, but he probably won't do it, he's too dumb" and then leave him alone?

 

Irresponsible. Fuck outtahere.

 

and i'm happy he was arrested and hope he sees a lot of prison time. i pay taxes and (far too much of) it goes to national defense and other scary privacy-invading bullshit, but here's where it did the right thing.

 

try and imagine the national fallout from 250-300 deaths via explosion at a christmas tree lighting. you think "right wingers" are crazy now? you think national muslim hatred is bad now? that would push it to unprecedented levels.

[Realism]

this is what the war on terror has become, feds setting up harmless angry immigrants and forigen nationals as an endless series of distractions

 

In a general sense, yes, a lot of undue blame is placed on people who are all talk/rhetoric, which is unfortunate.

 

But there's a difference between being an angry immigrant or foreign nationalist and making a conscious and calculated effort to acquire a bomb in order to kill hundreds of people, which is exactly what this guy wanted to do, regardless of the fact that the FBI stepped in.

[Decyferon]

Rather than just training him and setting it all up for him, the feds shoulda just sat on the survelliance and waited and kept tabs on him til he maybe established some contacts, then moved in with the sting on him and actually get some useful information out of him, rather than just taking the huge PR boost from something they set up from beginning to end.

 

I am not saying this guy should be free, he had the intention to do it, so surely it would make more sense to use that to your advantage and maybe use him to catch some bigger fish? Just seems like lazy self serving feds to me who wanted a bit of acclaim, and then the government has more justification for their 'war on terror'.

[!RENOBOF]

Lived in the same neighborhood as the dude.

[IrishCarBombs]

i drank to much beer after eating halal and created the next dirty bomb.

i farted in the shower and just started coughing, jumped out and twitched on the floor.

can be terrorist now?

[DeSent]

worst part is that they film these actions an try an put them on youtube an other Americanized viewing places just to really rub it in, this sand fuck better be hung by his own intestines and shit on by every person that was there.

[TreSixO]

In a general sense, yes, a lot of undue blame is placed on people who are all talk/rhetoric, which is unfortunate.

 

But there's a difference between being an angry immigrant or foreign nationalist and making a conscious and calculated effort to acquire a bomb in order to kill hundreds of people, which is exactly what this guy wanted to do, regardless of the fact that the FBI stepped in.

 

key word

 

 

WANTED to do, not did, was goinmg to do, or even had the capability to do. If he was important they should have tailed him and watched him until he led them to the bigger fish up the chain... but this guy was never going to get that far... so they made him another patsy. And lose him? He didnt even know how to drive I dont think the FBI is going to have a hard time tracking this guy if they really needed to

[pornbooth]

From someone elses computer google "how to make a bomb" and you will get thousands of hits on bomb making. At some point in our lives we have all made some sort of bomb like piccolo petes, or filling a tennis ball with match heads, at least I did growin up I blew shit up all the time without the help from google or anybody else I figured it out on my own just as this fuck could have.

 

I never got the first memo, why is he uncapable of building a bomb? The reports do state he was giving the feds parts to build the bomb and how do we not know he designed the bomb and told whomever how he wanted it built? I'm sure he was present at times when this device was being constructed.

 

Either way this scum fuck should not be defended, he made the call to detonate the (fake) bomb blocks away from said location full of innocent men, women, and children. He could have seen the blast and I'm sure he was liek wtf br0? Where's my super sweet firewerks show bra? when it didn't happen and was probably and still is mad his plan to grant him full vip status in heaven was duped.

 

He's a fucking rascist ignorant piece of shit who's way to full of hate. He's a sick person who's willing (and attempted) to commit mass murder....... Fuck mohamudd! Fuck him in his ass!

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

can someone sum the last fews pages up please...? i got tired of reading all the bickering.