Nov 2nd.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

National Deficit:

Obama has proposed a budget that would:

* Increase spending by $1 trillion over the next decade;

* Include an additional $250 billion placeholder for another financial bailout;

* Likely lead to a 12 percent increase in discretionary spending;

* Permanently expand the federal government by nearly 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) over pre-recession levels;

* Raise taxes on all Americans by $1.4 trillion over the next decade;

* Raise taxes for 3.2 million taxpayers by an average of $300,000 over the next decade;

* Call for a pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) law despite offering a budget that would violate it by $3.4 trillion;

* Assume a rosy economic scenario that few economists anticipate;

* Leave permanent deficits averaging $600 billion even after the economy recovers; and

* Double the publicly held national debt to over $15 trillion ($12.5 trillion after inflation)

 

January 1st, 2013 starts the largest tax increase in the history of the U.S.A. Get ready for it people, some people think it will help but only time will tell...

 

Additionally not sure how much those charts you are referring to really tell... The Unemployment rate is HIGHER than it ever was when Bush was in office. This is a fact! Maybe more jobs are being created under Obama, but the rate at which jobs are being lost is much higher than that which they are being created, thus higher unemployment levels.

 

The US unemployment rate has not fallen below 9.4 percent in the last 18 months. This is unprecedented. January 2009, the rate was 7.7%.

More on the taxes later on...

 

 

-VS-

 

This is the Teapublicans agenda if they should win the majority.

 

*Continue the Bush tax cuts for the filthy rich during a recession and record deficit.

*Overturn what little healthcare reform that we actually achieved (end to previous conditions, extensions on parents plans keeping their kids on until the age of 26).

*Cutting and eventually getting rid of medicare.

*Cutting and eventually getting rid of Social Security.

*Abolishing the department of education (public school system).

*Overturn the first amendments separation of Church and state and turn America into a Christian nation (authough which sect of Christianity is still yet to be determined, but Glenn Beck is a fucking Morman and we all know how much influence that flaming douchebag has over that crowd).

*Shutting down the government like how they did in 1995.

That means that your grandparents will stop receiving their Social Security checks, anybody you know who is on Medicare or Medicaid will stop receiving benefits, and you or anybody you know who is currently unemployed due to 8 years of Republican rule and is receiving unemployment benefits will stop getting their rent paying checks in the mail.

Infact, these fucking dimwits actually want to shrink the federal government to the size that it was in 1776 (yet add some yet to be determined Christian church as head. My guess is tht the Evangelicals are gonna tell Beck where he can shove his Mormanism).

*And first and foremost "Making Obama a one term president" by throwing even bigger temper tantums and becoming an even bigger party of no than they've already been.

Obama will not be able to accomplish jack shit if these redneck, corporate America loving, Fox news watching, Rush Limbaugh/ Glenn Beck inspired, ignorant brainwashed fucking sheep get their way at the polls on Tuesday.

 

My point is that you people have a serious choice on Tuesday.

You can either keep a democratic majority to give Obama a chance to actually do more for this country (even if he can't accomplish all that he wants to in the wake of 8 years of Bush/Cheney), or you can just decide that you're mad at Obama and the the democrats all together and either not vote at all, or vote for the same exact assholes who took Clintons surplus and threw it (along with a record ridiculous amount of unpayable money) into two wars while at the same time cutting the taxes on the richest of the rich, and while encouraging mega corporations to outsource our workforce to sweatshops in fucking China by default creating this very exact recession that Bushes successor is getting blamed for even though he actually did exactly what needed to be done to avoid the second great depression that we were headed for after 8 years of Republican rule.

 

Make no mistake, this "Tea party" is not some grass roots anti government anarchist movement.

They are an extreme rightwing Republican movement of sheep being hurded by the likes of Dick Armey and Sarah Palin.

And their plans for America are about as right wing Republican extremest as it gets.

 

So you can either not vote at all, you could vote for the Teapublicans out of anger at the situation that they actually got us into in the first place and out of anger for the Democrats for not being able to pull us out of it fast enough, or you can at least vote against these Fox news brainwashed redneck fucking morons so that 2 years from now we're not 100 times worse off than we are now.

 

Wake the fuck up.

 

 

 

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And FYI, the ONLY people getting their taxes increased are the rich.

The other 98% of us already got our taxes lowered.

Stop getting your info from Fox news.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

If you tax the fuck out of "the rich" (people who make over $100,000 a year are no considered rich, however, this is not the case), you will be fucking the country in the ass, no lube. These are the people who are spending money right now. Same people who give Joe Average a job. Same people who go to the movies, mall, etc. We tax them more and they stop spending, stop being able to employ as many people at their small business, etc.

 

 

 

*$250,000 a year.

 

And nobody who makes over $250,000 a year is even going to be affected by going back to their previous tax rate, much less stop going to the movies and shopping at malls.

Be real, those people don't even shop at malls or mix it with the peasants anyways.

 

Stop trolling, Casek.

[SwampFightOner]

$250,000 a year is definitely rich (in most normal people's eyes at least), but it's not "I don't mix with peasants" rich haha. I went to school with plenty of kids who's parents made much more than that, be real br0.

 

*Only opinion I'll be expressing in this thread

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

They are the small business owners, the people working two jobs struggling to get by, they people who buy cars and fuel our economy. Especially if you live in a state with high taxes as it is, $100,000 is nothing. Yeah it might make you rich in Louisiana, but come up to Massachusetts and it's a whole different ballgame.

 

They are the top 2% of this country.

When you look at the people who make over $250,000 a year, most of them are millionaires and billionaires.

They are NOT the mom and pops.

They are the Oprahs and Bill Gates.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

This was also after a couple of wars and production was up, technological innovations were

coming out left and right, etc.

 

What have these couple of wars done for our economy? :rolleyes:

[Spitfire15]

Thats not true at all. A lot of people sitting at 1 mil+ have been saving and investing wisely while they work hard to achieve it.

 

By the way, did you even vote today?

[Spitfire15]

What have these couple of wars done for our economy? :rolleyes:

 

Also, a lot of technical invitations come from wars, and are used and adapted in the civilian market. As technology improves, products can be constructed/assembled/produced with less people, resources and time.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

People have this weirdness about them. They want to receive money without working for it

and hate those who work for it and make something for themselves. "Give us healthcare"

"Give us welfare" "Give us bus fare". Give us, give us, give us.

 

"Give us tax breaks", "Give us cheap labor", "stop regulating us".

 

Newsflash, Casek. Billionaires don't "work".

They get other people to do that for them.

[lord_casek]

*$250,000 a year.

 

And nobody who makes over $250,000 a year is even going to be affected by going back to their previous tax rate, much less stop going to the movies and shopping at malls.

Be real, those people don't even shop at malls or mix it with the peasants anyways.

 

Stop trolling, Casek.

 

$250,000 a year is definitely rich (in most normal people's eyes at least), but it's not "I don't mix with peasants" rich haha. I went to school with plenty of kids who's parents made much more than that, be real br0.

 

*Only opinion I'll be expressing in this thread

 

What have these couple of wars done for our economy? :rolleyes:

 

 

Dude, let me explain this to you: When a small business owner makes $250k it's not like it's disposable income. They have to pay employee's, they have to pay taxes (more than you think), etc. That is not rich. That is in the top level of middle class. More taxes are going to mean less employee's, meaning less jobs, meaning less taxes being payed into the system, meaning less people to go out and watch movies, go to dinner, buy new clothes, etc.

 

SF: I know plenty of people who make that much. It's not a lot.

 

These 2 wars have done a lot for the military industrial complex. Seeing as how Halliburton moved it's headquarters to Dubai, as well as a few other contractors, not so well for the U.S.

 

WWII is really responsible for bringing the country out of the great depression. It's hard for some people to wrap their heads around that, but it is fact.

 

Comparing then and now is really hard to do. I don't quite understand how one could do that. Then again, I'm discussing this with you....so, I guess that's what I get.

[lord_casek]

"Give us tax breaks", "Give us cheap labor", "stop regulating us".

 

Newsflash, Casek. Billionaires don't "work".

They get other people to do that for them.

 

 

Yeah, someone just handed them that money. That's right.

 

 

I just realized that I should tag that as sarcasm.

[lord_casek]

Thats not true at all. A lot of people sitting at 1 mil+ have been saving and investing wisely while they work hard to achieve it.

 

By the way, did you even vote today?

 

Also, a lot of technical invitations come from wars, and are used and adapted in the civilian market. As technology improves, products can be constructed/assembled/produced with less people, resources and time.

 

 

I owe you props.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

But it will make them move.

And spend what money they do (+ property taxes, etc) in Monaco instead of in CA.

 

Nobody's going to decide to move to another country based on tax rates.

That's one of the most ridiculous myths ever spun, and I can't believe that there's people stupid enough to actually believe it.

[Spitfire15]

Nobody's going to decide to move to another country based on tax rates.

That's one of the most ridiculous myths ever spun, and I can't believe that there's people stupid enough to actually believe it.

 

High tax rates cause entire companies to move over seas though. IE; Google.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

 

WWII is really responsible for bringing the country out of the great depression. It's hard for some people to wrap their heads around that, but it is fact.

 

Comparing then and now is really hard to do. I don't quite understand how one could do that. Then again, I'm discussing this with you....so, I guess that's what I get.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

"started in about 1929 and lasted until the late 1930s or early 1940s"

 

The depression was pretty much over by the time we even entered WW2.

We didn't just rebound all of a sudden the day Japan sank out ships at Pearl Harbor, it took years for our war manufacturing economy to get into full swing.

It was Roosevelt's "New Deal" that ended the great depression.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

Yeah, someone just handed them that money. That's right.

 

 

I just realized that I should tag that as sarcasm.

 

 

 

Bush/Cheney did hand that to them through tax cuts and deregulation.

 

No sarcasm.

[MYFUCKINGDICK]

High tax rates cause entire companies to move over seas though. IE; Google.

 

They move their factories over seas, they stay home and collect the money.

[lord_casek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

"started in about 1929 and lasted until the late 1930s or early 1940s"

 

The depression was pretty much over by the time we even entered WW2.

We didn't just rebound all of a sudden the day Japan sank out ships at Pearl Harbor, it took years for our war manufacturing economy to get into full swing.

It was Roosevelt's "New Deal" that ended the great depression.

 

 

 

Keep believing that.

 

 

"For the United States, World War II and the Great Depression constituted the most important economic event of the twentieth century. The war's effects were varied and far-reaching. The war decisively ended the depression itself. The federal government emerged from the war as a potent economic actor, able to regulate economic activity and to partially control the economy through spending and consumption. American industry was revitalized by the war, and many sectors were by 1945 either sharply oriented to defense production (for example, aerospace and electronics) or completely dependent on it (atomic energy). The organized labor movement, strengthened by the war beyond even its depression-era height, became a major counterbalance to both the government and private industry. The war's rapid scientific and technological changes continued and intensified trends begun during the Great Depression and created a permanent expectation of continued innovation on the part of many scientists, engineers, government officials and citizens. Similarly, the substantial increases in personal income and frequently, if not always, in quality of life during the war led many Americans to foresee permanent improvements to their material circumstances, even as others feared a postwar return of the depression. Finally, the war's global scale severely damaged every major economy in the world except for the United States, which thus enjoyed unprecedented economic and political power after 1945."

 

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/tassava.WWII

[Spitfire15]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

 

Google, the owner of the world’s most popular search engine, uses a strategy that has gained favor among such companies as Facebook Inc. and Microsoft Corp. The method takes advantage of Irish tax law to legally shuttle profits into and out of subsidiaries there, largely escaping the country’s 12.5 percent income tax. (See an interactive graphic on Google’s tax strategy here.)

 

The earnings wind up in island havens that levy no corporate income taxes at all. Companies that use the Double Irish arrangement avoid taxes at home and abroad as the U.S. government struggles to close a projected $1.4 trillion budget gap and European Union countries face a collective projected deficit of 868 billion euros.

 

 

You can learn all of this in a basic economics course. Its actually really very simple.

[lord_casek]

Bush/Cheney did hand that to them through tax cuts and deregulation.

 

No sarcasm.

 

 

So, tell me...did the government just hand Bill Gates money? What about Steve Jobs?

Warren Buffet? The Walton family? The answer is no. These people were innovators,

they were smart about how they acted to make money. Now their money makes them

money. That is how the game of getting rich goes. If you don't understand that, I don't

know what to tell you.

 

Maybe you should read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad"?

[lord_casek]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

 

Google, the owner of the world’s most popular search engine, uses a strategy that has gained favor among such companies as Facebook Inc. and Microsoft Corp. The method takes advantage of Irish tax law to legally shuttle profits into and out of subsidiaries there, largely escaping the country’s 12.5 percent income tax. (See an interactive graphic on Google’s tax strategy here.)

 

The earnings wind up in island havens that levy no corporate income taxes at all. Companies that use the Double Irish arrangement avoid taxes at home and abroad as the U.S. government struggles to close a projected $1.4 trillion budget gap and European Union countries face a collective projected deficit of 868 billion euros.

 

 

You can learn all of this in a basic economics course. Its actually really very simple.

 

 

 

Do you have it in coloring book form?

[laughslast]

George Carlin Doesn't Vote[/url]

 

george carlin is dead.

[lord_casek]

george carlin is dead.

 

 

Now you know his secret! You must die!

[Soup]

NEW YORK:

VOTE FOR THE MOST DANCEABLE CANIDATE

[nsmbfan]

DEAR CALIFORNIANS:

 

 

put down bong

 

GO OUT AND VOTE TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA

 

 

....

 

 

PROFIT

[Soup]

The reality of what california will look like if prop 19 passes. People smoking in public.

SMOKING IN FUCKING PUBLIC.

 

SUBURBIA

SMOKING IN PUBLIC

 

FINANCIAL DISTRICT

SMOKING IN PUBLIC

 

COPS

SMOKING IN PUBLIC

[CALIgula]

the rich get richer (it takes money to make money)...the poor get poorer (it takes money to make money).

 

and let's not do anything about it.

 

oh, and while we're not doing anything about it, let's tax the poor (and the middle class) and let the rich not pay any taxes at all...

 

because after all that 2% of the extremely rich are the ones who make the economy go around.

 

^seriously??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?....this?!?!!??!?!

 

sorry, the 2% don't make the economy go around....even if they buy 100 new cars, 1,000 new tv's, etc. etc.

 

that is nothing compared to what the other 98% buy (the real consumers).

[Spitfire15]

Doesnt the law prohibit smoking in public? People are restricted to smoking in their own houses/property and children cant be present.

 

 

You dont even know what the law your pushing even says, as long as it has weed in it. STAY IGNORANT 2010.

[CALIgula]

yes, you can't just walk around and smoke weed in public...that is part of prop 19.

[nsmbfan]

i read it. all of prop 19. enjoyed it more than the bible.

 

to me it's about personal freedom and financial responsibility. it makes sense to end prohibition.

 

anything you got to say about that?

[Spitfire15]

Yes. You're all faggots.