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Barry McGee "Mural" on Houston Street and Bowery


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The wall is cool because it's in everyone's face. Os Gemeos are fucking rad, but they've been rocking a style for years that the public finds entirely non threatening, and doesn't really associate with graffiti. Shepard Fairey falls under a similar umbrella-- fifteen years ago, people were genuinely puzzled and even made uncomfortable by the huge faces he was putting up, but that's obviously changed in the past decade. That most recent mural seemed like it was there so Herbert and Elaine Outoftowner could drive by and say "hey, the Obama guy!"

 

Twist, on the other hand, has been doing shit heavily based in graffiti all along, but has always done so with enough universal appeal that he's managed to create a fanbase in the art world. Now they offered him this wall, (which a lot of New Yorkers very much consider theirs, and a place they expect to see beautiful murals) and instead of trying to expand his fan base by doing the faces that everyone wants to see, he basically said "okay, this is what you get: pure, raw graffiti." Something that most people are still going to find somewhat threatening. Something people aren't going to be able to explain, or understand, or know what to do with. And it's right in their fucking faces, and that's awesome.

 

 

 

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I think youre examining it too hard, like an art critic.

 

 

"mmm, the dicotomy of the wooden beard is strategically placed in the trash can, to symbolize the changing of the seasons."

 

 

no nigga, they came with red cans and had 4 hours to paint, invited a nyer so nyers dont get TOO mad, then hooked up some ny legends on the wall to show that they "repsect ny", except the RIP they wrote isn't dead. It was JOZ they where thinking of. Josh 5 is alive and kickin.

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this style , although something I enjoy,doesnt rep graffiti like you say in your argument Harvy. Theres not one bit of "graffiti" in it, other then drips, which is another argument in itself.

 

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again,not an inkling of graffiti.

 

450.JPG this has some covered tags,

I think Im speaking for everyone who was anticipating "Barry Mcgee" ( not twist publically anymore by the way, so much for the Graff down your throat approach ) then to see him come to ny and do tags? Im not the only one that said "Big Deal" trust me, I just happen to be the only one in here who bothers to talk about it. To many people are just cheerleaders and cant admit when a guy with a history of amazing work does some boring ass shit and half stepped.

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this style , although something I enjoy,doesnt rep graffiti like you say in your argument Harvy. Theres not one bit of "graffiti" in it, other then drips, which is another argument in itself.

 

Not one bit of graffiti? Sorry, that's ludicrous. I don't know how old you are, but it sounds like you don't have any memory of the art world prior to Twist's entry into it. That wall is drips, buff marks, spray paint, graffiti characters... literally NONE of that stuff was showing up in museums in 1990. People take those techniques and stylistic elements for granted now in a post Juxtapoz magazine, Saber-has-a-blog world, but Twist was the first to bring that aesthetic to the "art" world.

 

 

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again,not an inkling of graffiti.

 

Agreed, not graffiti. Is this what you were hoping for on the wall? The whole point of this stuff was to experiment with abstraction, and be visually jarring, confusing, or overwhelming to the viewer. It contributes to the sensory overload that Barry's always tried to create with his shows. But it's been done enough that it wouldn't have had that same impact on the Bowery wall. I'm glad he didn't just do another one of these.

 

450.JPG this has some covered tags,

I think Im speaking for everyone who was anticipating "Barry Mcgee" ( not twist publically anymore by the way, so much for the Graff down your throat concept )...

 

So because cluless bloggers all called this a Barry Mcgee wall, rather than a Twist wall, those tags aren't graffiti?

 

...then to see him come to ny and do tags? Im not the only one that said "Big Deal" trust me, I just happen to be the only one in here who bothers to talk about it. To many people are just cheerleaders and cant admit when a guy with a history of amazing work does some boring ass shit and half stepped.

 

Having a different opinion is not the same thing as "not being able to admit" that your opinion is right. I think this wall is one of the freshest ideas I've seen in a while. Fine, you think those dudes half-stepped. Make sure to let them know next time you see them, I'm sure they'll lose sleep over it. Better yet, go diss the wall if you don't respect it. That's what a REAL NEW YORKER would do, right?

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I dont care what you, or anyone says to me about opinions, I know quality work when I see it, even if I dont like the person doing it, if they rock the house, Ill give it up , not a prob for me. And at the same time even if I do like the person, and they half step, I can tell them they are, instead of them sitting in a room of yesmen cheerleaders praising low quality.

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The wall is cool because it's in everyone's face. Os Gemeos are fucking rad, but they've been rocking a style for years that the public finds entirely non threatening, and doesn't really associate with graffiti. Shepard Fairey falls under a similar umbrella-- fifteen years ago, people were genuinely puzzled and even made uncomfortable by the huge faces he was putting up, but that's obviously changed in the past decade. That most recent mural seemed like it was there so Herbert and Elaine Outoftowner could drive by and say "hey, the Obama guy!"

 

Twist, on the other hand, has been doing shit heavily based in graffiti all along, but has always done so with enough universal appeal that he's managed to create a fanbase in the art world. Now they offered him this wall, (which a lot of New Yorkers very much consider theirs, and a place they expect to see beautiful murals) and instead of trying to expand his fan base by doing the faces that everyone wants to see, he basically said "okay, this is what you get: pure, raw graffiti." Something that most people are still going to find somewhat threatening. Something people aren't going to be able to explain, or understand, or know what to do with. And it's right in their fucking faces, and that's awesome.

 

 

 

/coolartanalysisbro

 

 

 

 

 

 

^THIS. end conversation...

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I'm not taking anything personal-- I'm sipping on my iced coffee and having a laugh. My jump to "Go diss it" was a leapfrog off of your "what you said is horse shit". Just keeping things on whatever level they get dragged down to, and it seems like all the criticism I've heard about that wall basically boils down to people being mad that it wasn't New Yorkers painting it. That doesn't bother me; I paint when I travel to other people's cities, and I like that others do the same when they come to mine.

 

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is why I stated mine (along with the reasons I feel that way) in my first post on this page. I still stand by that 100%, and I'm genuinely interested in hearing yours, or I wouldn't be bothering with this. The only thing I'm not open to is being told that my opinions aren't actually my opinions.

 

Again, I'm not catching any feelings-- I'm glad that for the first time in months, there's a conversation that seems worth having in here.

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I was thinking the same thing, (as far as the characters go) those characters on walls and installations have a huge graffiti influence in the style of lines.

It's not in your face like if dude did some throwback 80's subway art b boy characters, it's more like if you know lines and style, you know.

Same style in them hands (that I always though were extra on point), is in the characters on some beneath the surface type shit.

IMO 110% better than the Fairy paste, or fake Kieth Harring mural there, and gives more shine to street roots.

Not everyone is going to be OS Gemeos and just murder a wall like they did or even put that much effort into it.

Motherfuckers will nit pick shit to death and hate no matter what, "dude mispelled a name" or whatever.

 

 

Besides,

If some new jacks who don't understand how dude payed his graffiti dues dissed it for cheap fame, no problem.

It only took a couple of hours, a few cans, and looked like it would be fun to do.

and it got people talking, about handstyles.

 

Win,

win,

and, win.

 

 

The problem is that there aren't many people from NYC that we'd like to see on that wall who draw crowds of rich people and $ for Deitch.

The wall isn't a graffiti hall of fame, it's for an art gallery that just happens to sell art by people who may also enjoy vandalism.

Personally, I'd like to see Futura get next, just because it would make sense for Deitch ($$$) plus dude is from NYC, and pretty fucking awesome.

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I'm not taking anything personal-- I'm sipping on my iced coffee and having a laugh. My jump to "Go diss it" was a leapfrog off of your "what you said is horse shit". Just keeping things on whatever level they get dragged down to, and it seems like all the criticism I've heard about that wall basically boils down to people being mad that it wasn't New Yorkers painting it. That doesn't bother me; I paint when I travel to other people's cities, and I like that others do the same when they come to mine.

 

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is why I stated mine (along with the reasons I feel that way) in my first post on this page. I still stand by that 100%, and I'm genuinely interested in hearing yours, or I wouldn't be bothering with this. The only thing I'm not open to is being told that my opinions aren't actually my opinions.

 

Again, I'm not catching any feelings-- I'm glad that for the first time in months, there's a conversation that seems worth having in here.

 

I never once said Nyers SHOLUD have done it,I said most of us CAN do what was done if not better. youre all confused and making assumptions, what I have said is I enjoy good Twist artwork, this however was sub par for him. And the funny thing is, he would probably agree!

 

 

and again, i never said your opinion isnt your opinion, what the hells going on here?????????

I basically said you are guilty of cheerleading, and if you couldnt understand that before, then I spelled it out simpler this time.

 

 

Asside form those 2 obvious and overworked points, I think its gay to be ironic, and its gay to put up a street legend and say hes RIP.

 

 

Get your propometer up allday, lol. It doesnt mean your right, it means your cheerleader squad is bigger then mine, LOL. and we all know cheerleaders win the game. :rolleyes:

 

 

what can be said is what the guy above said, in the end its a win reguardless for graff. But being on that wall is a win reguardless, why not knock it out the park? The reason OsGemeos murdered that wall out, is because they are still hungry and humble artists. I dont know Barry personally, but by his actions one could be lead to think he's arrogent and doesnt deserve his place on that space, Im not saying that, but thats what it gives off, all done under the umbrella of "irony" and tight pants. LOL

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I never once said Nyers SHOLUD have done it,I said most of us CAN do what was done if not better. youre all confused and making assumptions, what I have said is I enjoy good Twist artwork, this however was sub par for him. And the funny thing is, he would probably agree!

 

I doubt he would, but I guess neither of us really knows.

 

and again, i never said your opinion isnt your opinion, what the hells going on here?????????

I basically said you are guilty of cheerleading, and if you couldnt understand that before, then I spelled it out simpler this time.

 

 

When I typed out my opinion about the wall, and you replied that it was bullshit and I knew it, that I was just a yes-man cheerleader, I took that as saying my opinion wasn't true. Where did I misread that? It sounds like you restated it in the same paragraph where you denied it, only this time tried to make it more of a straight up diss to me. What happened to expecting more?

 

All I'm saying is that I still stand by my first post, despite your claims that I

 

1)don't actually feel that way, and

2)for some reason feel like I need to be championing someone who is clearly doing alright on their own.

 

I don't get on 12 ounce to make sure nobody says anything mean that might hurt Barry's feelings, I get on here to say what I feel.

 

 

 

Asside form those 2 obvious and overworked points, I think its gay to be ironic, and its gay to put up a street legend and say hes RIP.

 

 

I don't know where the irony comes in, but yeah, the Josh 5/ Joz 5 thing was unfortunate. What are you gonna do? Someone said "put up a Joz 5 RIP", it sounds a lot like "Put up a Josh 5 RIP". It's an old wall, it probably doesn't have a spell check on it.

 

 

Get your propometer up allday, lol. It doesnt mean your right, it means your cheerleader squad is bigger then mine, LOL. and we all know cheerleaders win the game. :rolleyes:

 

I don't even know what the game is, or why you're taking this so personally; I have nothing against you, I'm just offering a different opinion. I don't expect to change your mind or anyone else's, and I certainly don't think anyone is "winning" anything in Channel 0, ever. I had some shit to say about the wall, I said it while I waited for this work shit to print out, and now I'm going to go do some other stuff. We could just as easily be debating in the Smash or Trash thread. My only point is there are two sides to this debate, and there are a lot of people on both. And ultimately, none of their opinions are going to affect that wall, unless someone goes and paints over it themselves.

 

what can be said is what the guy above said, in the end its a win reguardless for graff. But being on that wall is a win reguardless, why not knock it out the park? The reason OsGemeos murdered that wall out, is because they are still hungry and humble artists. I dont know Barry personally, but by his actions one could be lead to think he's arrogent and doesnt deserve his place on that space, Im not saying that, but thats what it gives off, all done under the umbrella of "irony" and tight pants. LOL
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Harvey, healthy debate is good, if you genuinely feel the way you do, rock out. But the way you innitially came to rescue just sounded alil jockish, thats all. I am a fan of art, I collect it, and make it and even sell it at times. I enjoy getting into talks about art, especially if I like the artists, but Im being real man, I was disapointed at the sub par outcome of this particular "project" as a solution for the mangled wall that was there prior. When I heard Twist & Amaze where gonna rock it, I thought for sure the bar had been raised , these guys are gonna come and hit a home run. Not spend 4 hours taking tags, and writing a lot of useless shit, like the Josh thing and the Vename B.S. stuff.

 

You know damn well if a NY artist went to Frisco and did a similar wall and wrote CREAM TDK RIP, all the locals would be like "WTF????, if you gnna show respect, do it right! or its worse then not even writing it to begin with"

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