What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread

[christo-f]

I would expect that clizclean's model of communist global government would come about through revolution and a redistribution of the existing wealth.

[Zig]

Well, they also attempt to manufacture or co-opt revolutions within governments that aren't part of their international system, ie. Iran.

[christo-f]

Oh man, the whole colour revolution gig is a Western intelligence trip. Take note how they are all in former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries, apart from Iran but that was a bit of a different story as far as I can tell.

[Zig]

Look, I know you think the dude is nuts and I don't disagree with you entirely but I do think this interview is really interesting and worth a listen... it's 10 parts so it's a bit on the long side, but it's between Opie & Anthony (popular American radio talkshow hosts, maybe you've heard of them) and Alex Jones. THey begin the interview as skeptics and ask Alex some really good questions about his interpretation of the NWO. If you have the time, I would suggest listening to it and even commenting on it here.

 

Part 1 (out of 10, just continue watching each part through youtube I don't feel like linking them all)

[Zig]

and christo-f this is for you, earlier in this discussion/thread/argument you said that the Dollar being removed as the world standard was far off from happening.

 

Dollar should be replaced as international standard, U.N. report says

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/un.report.dollar/index.html?hpt=T2

[christo-f]

Yep and a UN report does nothing to change that.

 

Youtube is blocked here.

[Removed]

and christo-f this is for you, earlier in this discussion/thread/argument you said that the Dollar being removed as the world standard was far off from happening.

 

Dollar should be replaced as international standard, U.N. report says

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/un.report.dollar/index.html?hpt=T2

 

Very little that the UN has said should happen, is actually politically expedient for the member nations. The UN is very good at generating lofty ideals, but not historically very good at finding a way to implement them.

[clizclean]

currency shouldn't be based on what we have, it should be based off of what needs done.

[MedicineCabinet]

check this out...

 

[ink face]

zeitgeist?

[Silba]

currency shouldn't be based on what we have, it should be based off of what needs done.

 

How can it be based off something that dosent exist yet?

[clizclean]

things needed dont exist?

[Silba]

explain what you mean by needed.

currency based off of what?

[clizclean]

the need for having doctors, farmers, public maintenance, mechanics... what your job's worth

[MedicineCabinet]

zeitgeist?

i wouldnt be doing it any justice... give it a fair chance & watch it end to end with an open mind... time is running out

 

related to:

 

HAARP - holes in heaven

 

[weirdone]

the thing about communism is one of the main points is that everyone makes more or less the same amount of money (ideally)

 

if money could be done away with alltogether we would be living in a beautiful place. itl never happen because of the fact that there are always the greedy people who do whatever they can to get whatever they can, these people are the same reason why a salary cap for jobs would never work. they would always be doing favours to begin with then steadily asking for repayment and then using that gained wealth to do more favours to ask for repayment on at a later date. same way politics works put simply

 

if we could go back in time and live off a barter system then the world would be just peachy and there would be much fewer retards around due to good ol natural selection

 

altho zig would probly be one of those people i think his idea of currency based off need is really an un-thought-out exclamation that the barter system would be dope

[angelofdeath]

money came about as a means of a exchange.

 

let me illustrate.. barter only works on a small limited scale.

 

lets say its back in the good old 'peachy' days.

you have a chicken and you want a pickle. so you need to find a pickle owning chicken wanter.

what are the odds of this? imagine the entire world trying to accomplish similar trades? how prosperous do you think we would be?

the mistake of commies is that they think that prosperity and high living standards just appear out of thin air.

 

this is how money came about. a highly valuable commodity that can be exchanged for everything.

if you do away with currency and trade you will be living on a medieval/middle ages level of prosperity at BEST.

 

of course someone who praises communism and does not recognize that everyone is greedy and acts in their own self interest and this is human nature... surely does not understand trade or the origins of money.

[lord_casek]

I've instituted a new bill I call the chicken/pickle tax act of 2010.

For every chicken that is traded for a pickle, you owe two pickles.

 

I think this is fair.

[christo-f]

We will be teaching our great grand children about the great pickle rebellion of 2012.

[lord_casek]

god, i hope so.

[clizclean]

We will be teaching our great grand children about the great pickle rebellion of 2012.

 

having a holiday dedicated on the calender in remembrance of the cucumber massacre

[Classified]

blah blah blah blah blah blah .....fucking blah blah blah ....blah blaaahh

[clizclean]

blah blah blah blah blah blah .....fucking blah blah blah ....blah blaaahh

 

i fart in your general direction

[christo-f]

Companies brace for end of cheap made-in-China era

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100709/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_cheap_no_more

 

 

By ELAINE KURTENBACH, AP Business Writer – 48 mins ago

SHANGHAI – Factory workers demanding better wages and working conditions are hastening the eventual end of an era of cheap costs that helped make southern coastal China the world's factory floor.

A series of strikes over the past two months have been a rude wakeup call for the many foreign companies that depend on China's low coststo compete overseas, from makers of Christmas trees to manufacturers of gadgets like the iPad.

Where once low-tech factories and scant wages were welcomed in a China eager to escape isolation and poverty, workers are now demanding a bigger share of the profits. The government, meanwhile, is pushing foreign companies to make investments in areas it believes will create greater wealth for China, like high technology.

Many companies are striving to stay profitable by shifting factories to cheaper areas farther inland or to other developing countries, and a few are even resuming production in the West.

"China is going to go through a very dramatic period. The big companies are starting to exit. We all see the writing on the wall," said Rick Goodwin, a China trade veteran of 22 years, whose company links foreign buyers with Chinese suppliers.

"I have 15 major clients. My job is to give the best advice I can give. I tell it like it is. I tell them, put your helmet on, it's going to get ugly," said Goodwin, who says dissatisfied workers and hard-to-predict exchange rates are his top worries.

Beijing's decision to stop tethering the Chinese currency to the U.S. dollar, allowing it to appreciate and thus boosting costs in yuan, has multiplied the uncertainty for companies already struggling with meager profit margins.

In an about-face mocked on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," Wham-O, the company that created the Hula-Hoop and Slip 'n Slide, decided to bring half of its Frisbee production and some production of its other products back to the U.S.

At the other end of the scale, some in research-intensive sectors such as pharmaceutical, biotech and other life sciences companies are also reconsidering China for a range of reasons, including costs and incentives being offered in other countries.

"Life sciences companies have shifted some production back to the U.S. from China. In some cases, the U.S. was becoming cheaper," said Sean Correll, director of consulting services for Burlington, Mass.-based Emptoris.

That may soon become true for publishers, too. Printing a 9-by-9-inch, 334-page hardcover book in China costs about 44 to 45 cents now, with another 3 cents for shipping, says Goodwin. The same book costs 65 to 68 cents to make in the U.S.

"If costs go up by half, it's about the same price as in the U.S. And you don't have 30 days on the water in shipping," he says.

Even with recent increases, wages for Chinese workers are still a fraction of those for Americans. But studies do show China's overall cost advantage is shrinking.

Labor costs have been climbing about 15 percent a year since a 2008 labor contract law that made workers more aware of their rights. Tax preferences for foreign companies ended in 2007. Land, water, energy and shipping costs are on the rise.

In its most recent survey, issued in February, restructuring firm Alix Partners found that overall China was more expensive than Mexico, India, Vietnam, Russia and Romania.

Mexico, in particular, has gained an edge thanks to the North American Free Trade Agreement and fast, inexpensive trucking, says Mike Romeri, an executive with Emptoris, the consulting firm.

Makers of toys and trinkets, Christmas trees and cheap shoes already have folded by the thousands or moved away, some to Vietnam, Indonesia or Cambodia. But those countries lack the huge work force, infrastructure and markets China can offer, and most face the same labor issues as China.

So far, the biggest impact appears to be in and around Shenzhen, a former fishing village in Guangdong province, bordering Hong Kong, that is home to thousands of export manufacturers.

That includes Taiwan-based Foxconn Technology, a supplier of iPhones and iPads to Apple Inc. Foxconn responded to a spate of suicides at its 400,000-worker Shenzhen complex with pay hikes that more than doubled basic monthly worker salaries to $290. Strike-stricken suppliers to Honda Motor Co. and Toyota Motor Corp., among many others, also have hiked wages.

Foxconn refused repeated requests for comment on plans to move much of its manufacturing capacity to central China's impoverished Henan province, where a local government website has advertised for tens of thousands of workers on its behalf.

But among other projects farther inland, Foxconn is teaming up with some of the biggest global computer makers to build what may be the world's largest laptop production hub in Chongqing, a western China city of 32 million where labor costs are estimated to be 20 to 40 percent lower than in coastal cities.

Given the intricate supply chains and logistics systems that have helped make southern China an export manufacturing powerhouse, such changes won't be easy.

But for manufacturers looking to boost sales inside fast-growing China, shifting production to the inland areas where many migrant workers come from, and costs are lower, offers the most realistic alternative.

"The new game is to find a way to do the domestic market," says Goodwin.

Many factories in Foshan, another city in Guangdong that saw strikes at auto parts plants supplying Japan's Honda, have left in the past few months, mostly moving inland to Henan, Hunan and Jiangxi, said Lin Liyuan, dean at the privately run Institute of Territorial Economics in Guangzhou.

Massive investments in roads, railways and other infrastructure are reducing the isolation of the inland cities, part of a decade-old "Develop the West" strategy aimed at shrinking the huge, politically volatile gap in wealth between city dwellers and the country's 600 million farmers.

Gambling that the unrest will not spill over from foreign-owned factories, China's leaders are using the chance to push investment in regions that have lagged the country's industrial boom.

They have little choice. Many of today's factory workers have higher ambitions than their parents, who generally saved their earnings from assembling toys and television sets for retirement in their rural hometowns. They are also choosier about wages and working conditions. "The conflicts are challenging the current set-up of low-wage, low-tech manufacturing, and may catalyze the transformation of China's industrial sector," said Yu Hai, a sociology professor at Shanghai's Fudan University.

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[Zig]

Central banks start to abandon the U.S. dollar

 

http://wallstreet.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/07/09/central-banks-start-to-abandon-the-u-s-dollar/?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/money_topstories+(Top+Stories)&utm_content=Google+Reader

 

There's mounting evidence that central bankers have little faith in the greenback these days. Can we blame them?

 

by Heidi N. Moore, contributor

 

There are those who would argue that the financial crisis was caused by over-enthusiastic worship of the Almighty Dollar. Call it brutal financial karma, but that church is looking pretty empty these days.

 

A new report from Morgan Stanley analyst Emma Lawson confirms what many had suspected: the dollar is firmly on its way to losing its status as the reserve currency of the world. We already knew that central banks have preferred gold to dollars, and that they're even selling their gold for cash; now, according to Lawson's data, it seems that those central banks prefer almost anything to dollars.

 

Lawson found that central banks have dropped their allocation to U.S. dollars by nearly a full percentage point to 57.3% from 58.1%, and calls this "unexpected given the global environment." She adds, "over time we anticipate that reserve managers may reduce their holdings further."

 

What is surprising is that the managers of those central banks aren't buying traditional fall-backs like the euro, the British pound or the Japanese yen. Instead, she suggests they're putting their faith in other dollars - the kind that come from Australia and Canada. The allocation to those currencies, which fall under "other" in the data, rose by a full percentage point to 8.5%, accounting almost exactly for the drop in the U.S. dollar allocation.

 

Call it diversification, if you must, but the trendline indicates that central banks are finally putting their money where their anti-dollar mouths are. The dollar has been in free-fall since 2007.

 

Last year, both China and Russia have questioned why the dollar should be the world's reserve currency. (Naturally, they were advocating for the ruble and yuan).

 

And just last week, the United Nations released a report concluding that the dollar should no longer be the world's reserve currency because it is not stable enough. The dollar is down 5% over the past month, and even currency traders don't see it as a safe haven any more.

 

There is certainly an element of economic competitiveness in those statements from foreign bodies and governments, but at the same time, Americans shouldn't be surprised that, in these touchy times, central banks want more of a measure of security than the dollar can afford right now - particularly when we're running up an enormous deficit through the costs of stimulus programs and two simultaneous wars.

 

Just last week, America's debt lept $166 billion in a single day. That one-day run-up is greater than the entire U.S. annual deficit in 2007. And Americans, the world's consumers, continue much of the behavior that helped the U.S savings rate drop so low.

 

The other options that reserve managers seem to be taking are also not a surprise. Canada's rude financial health - and robust banks - were bound to draw more attention. The Australian dollar is near a nine-month high because employment numbers there are strong.

 

The steady fall of the U.S. dollar is, while understandable, certainly nothing to be celebrated at home. The U.S. just has to make a stronger case - both to buyers and to its citizens - that it is on the right path.

[Inappropriate_Responder]

You spelled verisimilitude wrong.

[heroin bob]

Just wondering, what would be so wrong with a New World Order or a Global Government.

Imagine if you could a world where every nation was unified under one government with one currency.

There would be no need for visas, trade would be global, and fluctuating currency would not exist under unified global market.

 

So what is the negative? Maybe the fear of one totalitarian government? A global police state? What if the unified government was based on the UN model of representatives from each nation? What if the global government was based on the democracy that we have now?

 

 

Your thoughts and feelings on what would be so wrong or right about the unification all our governments into one.

 

/noIlluminati

 

 

the globalist soft kill tactics,. is a pro,.kause its not soo bad to die in a non painful way,.

but their hardcore eugenics policies,. is a con,.its too revolutionary for my taste,.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

I don't know that we will see a One World Government in my lifetime. I do know that they are trying to unify North America, i.e. North American Union.

 

Eugenics, transhumanism....no thanks.

[christo-f]

I've never understood why they would unify Nth America. Why would anyone want to take on Mexico? It's in a long running narco-civil war, has massive unemployed and I'd say a large amount of unemployable. US demographics have already changed due to the amount of people coming from the south and a lot of people don't like it. Until employment levels in the US are down to something like 1.5% I can't see the US even dreaming about Mexico. Canada has raw materials like uranium, water, etc. I can see why that would be useful. But it also has COS and that has to be something seriously considered. No one wants that in their country.