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I think it's premature to say the American empire is failing for sure; god knows this same sentiment has been claimed for decades if not centuries. We are in a difficult period that may or may not be comparatively worse than other periods we've lived through, and I don't share this wave of pessimism that is so prevalent around these parts. America will live on, its influence will still be felt, and technology will certainly be a tool for survival.

 

If anything, I think the American empire is probably going to evolve into a global governance model that strongly leans towards American/western values, and which America holds high influence over.

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It's the Anglo-American establishment that is falling, which I don't even see as American. The Anglo-American empire in no way represents the fundamental ideals and values of America. It's a globalist, corporatist, monopolistic take on capitalism, and it is the reason why capitalism and America is being condemned around the world. This establishment is also seen as the NWO, but it isn't necessarily tied down to any specific nation. It is predominantly USA, because America has been the strongest super-power nation, yet I think that is beginning to shift now. I see America recently turning inwards, as you see more anti-establishment movements like the Tea Party. But, this is happening all around the world... riots in Greece over the EU bailout, and Thailand, etc. This stuff will hit home, maybe not in the same manner, but that animosity towards the establishment is growing world wide. I believe that also has to do with ZB's speech, and it is a concern for those in power as well because globally the people have awakened to the political paradigm and it is difficult to move along and progress globalist agendas they've had in mind for decades now.

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If anything, I think the American empire is probably going to evolve into a global governance model that strongly leans towards American/western values, and which America holds high influence over.

 

You are basically saying that a New World Order will come out of this problematic time?

 

I was going to make a longer post, but time to take a final.

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I think it's premature to say the American empire is failing for sure; god knows this same sentiment has been claimed for decades if not centuries. We are in a difficult period that may or may not be comparatively worse than other periods we've lived through, and I don't share this wave of pessimism that is so prevalent around these parts. America will live on, its influence will still be felt, and technology will certainly be a tool for survival.

 

If anything, I think the American empire is probably going to evolve into a global governance model that strongly leans towards American/western values, and which America holds high influence over.

 

the American empire aint as strong as they want you to think. we are in the dust of a lot of other countries when it comes to a lot of shit if you ask me.

 

[cough]free healthcare[/cough]

 

 

and playstations alway release like a year early in japan.

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I see your game console and raise you domination of the world's super computer technology.

 

 

China boasts world's second-fastest supercomputer

 

 

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BEIJING (AFP) – China's ambitions to become a major global power in the world of supercomputing were given a boost when one of its machines was ranked second-fastest in a survey.

The Nebulae machine at the National Supercomputing Centre in the southern city of Shenzhen can perform at 1.271 petaflops per second, according to the Top 500 survey (http://www.top500.org), which ranks supercomputers.

A petaflop is equivalent to 1,000 trillion calculations.

The United States still dominates the list, holding top spot with its Jaguar supercomputer at a government facility in Tennessee, and more than half of the systems on the list, released at a supercomputing conference in Germany.

But China has a total of 24 systems on the list, and two in the top ten, with the Tianhe-1 supercomputer in Tianjin ranking number seven.

And the Nebulae, built by Dawning Information Industry Co., Ltd., has a theoretical speed of 2.98 petaflops per second, which would make it the fastest in the world.

The machine's uses include scientific computing and gene sequencing, according to Chinese state media.

Calls to the company for further comment went unanswered.

The supercomputers on the Top 500 list are rated based on speed of performance in a benchmark test. Submissions are voluntary, so it does not include all machines.

The survey is produced twice-yearly.

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George Soros saying China needs to lead the New World Order.

 

This is not coming out of my mouth, so take it however you want to.

 

“I think you need a new world order that China has to be part of the process of creating it and they have to buy in, they have to own it in the same way as the United States owns…the current order,”

 

"An orderly decline of the dollar is desirable"

He also stated that an orderly decline of the dollar was “desirable” and that the entire system needed to be reconstituted towards a global currency.

 

"The system IS broke, and needs to be reconstituted."

 

“You need a new currency system and actually the Special Drawing Rights do give you the makings of a system and I think it’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist the wider use of Special Drawing Rights, they could be very useful now when you have a global shortfall of demand, you could actually internationally create currency through Special Drawing Rights,”

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I'll take it exactly how he meant it, the same way that GHW Bush and friends meant it in that movie. It's about the order or ranking of national power i the world.

 

The idea of reserve currencies has been on the books for a while now, there's even a thread in here about it as well where we discuss SDRs and the decline of the dollar as the global standard.

 

It seems that as soon as some people hear the term NWO they immediately attach the meaning to it of global governance and so on. In this sense it is just being used as regards to ranking, as in the order that things work in. the USD is the reserve currency and that basically means that it is the strongest currency that dominates the market and Russia, China, India and a few other countries were recently entertaining the idea of creating a new global standard. The IMF SDRs was one idea that was talked about and China went as far as to make a huge contribution to the IMF to increase their stake in SDRs.

 

Everyone has since backed off and said that there will be no replacement of the USD as the standard in the foreseeable future so the current world order in economic terms remains.

 

You can read in to this as much as you want but that's exactly what it is, other nations looking to decrease US power (and the reliance on the USD because after the recent economic crash people blamed US management of their economy and didn't want the world beholden to the US economy and legislator's use of it). This is G Soros throwing his 2c in. Also not to be ignored, he's a damned smart guy....., and rich$$$

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I see him saying what you've explained him to be saying. I just don't take it as nonchalantly as you do. For me, it's further confirmation as to what is occurring economically around the globe. I honestly didn't need Soros to say these things for confirmation though, I already knew this was happening.

 

This is a Hungarian-American who is an adviser to the American President. I don't take lightly the attitude he is expressing towards our national currency, basically... no literally stating:

 

"An orderly decline of the dollar is desirable"

 

So in other words, he is declaring the death of the dollar is necessary. For America right now, the dollar is probably all this country has left in terms of remaining a super-power. We've lost our values, our bill of rights, our freedoms, our good image as a nation, and the Anglo-American empire has pretty much bankrupted us. Even Soros admits that the system is broken.

 

My opinion? This was intended. Nothing is a coincidence, and the attitude that the death of the dollar is desirable is just reflective of the attitudes coming from communities and circles surrounding Soros which he is involved in. It's like Barack Obama walking around reading the book, "The Post-American World". Now that the Anglo-American empire is falling, and rightfully so that it is, this new world..uh..huh..stutter stutter.... new world order of internationalism he is talking about, that he suggests China own in the way America owned the current world order (bizarre statement to me), is being prepared to be organized and put into place.

 

Now you can debate the necessity, or the inevitability of that system, but that's irrelevant to me.

 

And yes, I realize that China/Russia/India and other countries are also suggesting a new global standard. Even more reason to be against it as an American, in my opinion.

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So in other words, he is declaring the death of the dollar is necessary.

 

Death of the USD? That's a little over dramatic, don't you think? Having more than one reserve currency is called competition, competition is what made the US strong in a lot of senses. I don't see why you immediately jump to doom and gloom just because some one suggests something.

 

 

For America right now, the dollar is probably all this country has left in terms of remaining a super-power.

 

So your vast lead in technology means nothing. The US navy that could defeat all other navies combined means nothing. Your massive lead over everyone else in the space race means nothing. The simple bulk and depth of your economy means nothing. The geography of the US (oceans on either side creating a buffer, river systems all over the country making transport of goods super cheap, etc.) means nothing. The US alliance system being the largest and most powerful in the world means nothing.The fact that other nations are buying US debt en masse means nothing (shit, even Iran dumped its Euros for USD a week ago!). The suggestion that the USD shouldn't be the one and only global standard makes all the other stuff irrelevant, you think?

 

That's one hell of a claim your making there and I think it neglects to take account for many other aspects of power.

 

We've lost our values, our bill of rights, our freedoms, our good image as a nation, and the Anglo-American empire has pretty much bankrupted us. Even Soros admits that the system is broken.

 

Whilst all these things are admirable pursuits they are irrelevant when it comes to power. The US could be an industrialised military dictatorship and it could still have power over all other countries. These things that you mention are social values and are not intrinsic elements of power. And hell, people have been saying this shit for almost 100 years now and the US has only gone on to become stronger. I swear US citz are the most pessimistic and sore winners I've ever come across.

 

 

 

My opinion? This was intended. Nothing is a coincidence, and the attitude that the death of the dollar is desirable is just reflective of the attitudes coming from communities and circles surrounding Soros which he is involved in. It's like Barack Obama walking around reading the book, "The Post-American World".

 

Just because some one has a book in his hand doesn't mean he's read it. Just because some one has read a book doesn't mean he agrees with it. Hell, I've read that book and I put it down 2/3rds of the way in to it. All respect to Fareed as he's a brilliant man, but that book really sucked and was quite superficial. Maybe Obama thought the same thing. Have you heard him say that he's read it and what he thinks about it or are you just drawing conclusions based on a photo of him holding it? Honest question, not rhetorical.

 

 

Now that the Anglo-American empire is falling, and rightfully so that it is, this new world..uh..huh..stutter stutter.... new world order of internationalism he is talking about, that he suggests China own in the way America owned the current world order (bizarre statement to me), is being prepared to be organized and put into place.

 

Not necessarily, he is saying that China should have a stake in the world order, as in that it isn't solely dictated by the US. And the US does do that to a large degree. The US economy and military strength allows the US to put pressure on countries so they don't act against US interest. There are many examples of that, the UN resolution passed against Iran the other day is a good example. However you have to remember a lot of other countries agree with the US position on many things and profit from it. Hell, China fucking LOVES the US and without the US navy keeping all the critical water ways of the world open (seuz, Hormuz, Malaka, etc.) China would have had to have spent a SHIT load more money on its navy to protect its import routes for energy and raw materials and export routes for its products going to market. If China had to protect its own seal lanes not only would it not have that money to spend on industrial and domestic development but China would also then have a much stronger navy that could project power to places where the US has specific interests.

 

So just because something is in the US interest it doesn't by default mean it is against everyone else's interest. The US navey keeping open the Malaka Straits benefits Japan, DPRK, ROK, Russia, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand, Malasia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Singapore, Australia and a bunch of small PAcific islands. That's just one small element and because of that since WW2 these countries have all dramatically increased development and GDP per capita. The US system, for all its flaws and ugliness has been largely responsible for increasing development for the majority of the world. Trade means industry, industry means employment, employment means the chance to give your kids a better shot at life than you had. The only country in that list above who has gone southward is DPRK and that is because they have tried to go against the system. When China went against the system from 1949-80 they also went horribly backwards. Since then they have opened up and slowly readjusted in to the system and look, in just 30 years now people are saying that they will challenge the US.

 

So when you say that the US has done fucked up things, I wouldn't disagree but you must also balance that against the ways in which it has benefited the world.

 

 

Now you can debate the necessity, or the inevitability of that system, but that's irrelevant to me.

 

And yes, I realize that China/Russia/India and other countries are also suggesting a new global standard. Even more reason to be against it as an American, in my opinion.

 

Well yeah, you as a US cit of course should want your currency to remain the only standard, it's all about controlling power. But keep in mind that the IMF is a US controlled global system set up at Bretton Woods. So this new system that people are talking about isn't actually a NEW SYSTEM as such. It's just a redistribution of power within the already existing structure, that's all.

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Death of the USD? That's a little over dramatic, don't you think? Having more than one reserve currency is called competition, competition is what made the US strong in a lot of senses. I don't see why you immediately jump to doom and gloom just because some one suggests something.

 

Monetary competition in international markets is definitely something I am personally for, that's not the point. Doom and Gloom? Where is doom and gloom in my reply? If anyone is doom and gloom it's Soros and others claiming that the dollar's death is desirable. How am I doom and gloom for calling them on their own statements?

 

So your vast lead in technology means nothing. The US navy that could defeat all other navies combined means nothing. Your massive lead over everyone else in the space race means nothing. The simple bulk and depth of your economy means nothing. The geography of the US (oceans on either side creating a buffer, river systems all over the country making transport of goods super cheap, etc.) means nothing. The US alliance system being the largest and most powerful in the world means nothing.The fact that other nations are buying US debt en masse means nothing (shit, even Iran dumped its Euros for USD a week ago!). The suggestion that the USD shouldn't be the one and only global standard makes all the other stuff irrelevant, you think?

 

Yea, I do think it's irrelevant. Our strong military doesn't even operate in the interest of the American public, our level of intelligence that helped us excel in the space race has diminished, and we are probably one of the most decadent and stupid nations on earth right now. Are you seriously talking about our geographic location making us great for import/export? If corporations didn't do everything they could in this country to cut corners and earn a profit that would probably be a great thing. Iran was dumping USD en masse before they were dumping the Euros, they will probably do it again. Plenty of other countries are dumping our debt as well, and please tell me what is so great about having foreign countries buying our debt anyway? I don't want to be indebted to these corrupt nations to begin with. I'm already in debt to my own corrupt nation.

 

That's one hell of a claim your making there and I think it neglects to take account for many other aspects of power.

 

I don't think so.

 

Whilst all these things are admirable pursuits they are irrelevant when it comes to power. The US could be an industrialised military dictatorship and it could still have power over all other countries. These things that you mention are social values and are not intrinsic elements of power. And hell, people have been saying this shit for almost 100 years now and the US has only gone on to become stronger. I swear US citz are the most pessimistic and sore winners I've ever come across.

 

Ok, but the US being an industrialized military dictatorship is, and having all of this "power", is not something I'm looking at and thinking, "Well, at least we're the ones in control." No. I'm thinking, why has my nation fallen to the same type of corruption and power mongering that this very same nation viciously and passionately fought against at it's foundations? It's not pessimistic to tell someone they have cancer, it can be a very encouraging moment in their life to fix things and make it better.

 

Just because some one has a book in his hand doesn't mean he's read it. Just because some one has read a book doesn't mean he agrees with it. Hell, I've read that book and I put it down 2/3rds of the way in to it. All respect to Fareed as he's a brilliant man, but that book really sucked and was quite superficial. Maybe Obama thought the same thing. Have you heard him say that he's read it and what he thinks about it or are you just drawing conclusions based on a photo of him holding it? Honest question, not rhetorical.

 

That's true, can't argue with you. Doesn't mean he isn't surrounded by people who are though. Doesn't mean that these aren't the ideas and concepts floating around in the halls of the U.N and other international bureaucracy too. Don't get me wrong, it's great for the rest of the world to rise up around America, I support that, but this whole notion that America is so bad and needs to pay for everything it's done (meaning me, my future generations paying off debt, etc.) is preposterous.

 

Not necessarily, he is saying that China should have a stake in the world order, as in that it isn't solely dictated by the US. And the US does do that to a large degree. The US economy and military strength allows the US to put pressure on countries so they don't act against US interest. There are many examples of that, the UN resolution passed against Iran the other day is a good example. However you have to remember a lot of other countries agree with the US position on many things and profit from it. Hell, China fucking LOVES the US and without the US navy keeping all the critical water ways of the world open (seuz, Hormuz, Malaka, etc.) China would have had to have spent a SHIT load more money on its navy to protect its import routes for energy and raw materials and export routes for its products going to market. If China had to protect its own seal lanes not only would it not have that money to spend on industrial and domestic development but China would also then have a much stronger navy that could project power to places where the US has specific interests.

 

So just because something is in the US interest it doesn't by default mean it is against everyone else's interest. The US navey keeping open the Malaka Straits benefits Japan, DPRK, ROK, Russia, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand, Malasia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Singapore, Australia and a bunch of small PAcific islands. That's just one small element and because of that since WW2 these countries have all dramatically increased development and GDP per capita. The US system, for all its flaws and ugliness has been largely responsible for increasing development for the majority of the world. Trade means industry, industry means employment, employment means the chance to give your kids a better shot at life than you had. The only country in that list above who has gone southward is DPRK and that is because they have tried to go against the system. When China went against the system from 1949-80 they also went horribly backwards. Since then they have opened up and slowly readjusted in to the system and look, in just 30 years now people are saying that they will challenge the US.

 

So when you say that the US has done fucked up things, I wouldn't disagree but you must also balance that against the ways in which it has benefited the world.

 

I can't really debate you much here, you have solid information as always. Good points, all I would really say is that globalists and elitists who are part of and have profited off of the corruption of the U.S have been using and manipulating the strength of the U.S for decades now, for political purposes. If you lived in the U.S you would know just by watching the news every day just how much resentment there is towards the establishment due to this, and how power is beginning to shift. Many globalist policies and legislation that is going through Washington is having a very hard time being passed right now, and because of that I think these elitists and globalists are shifting over to China as their model government. If you can understand what I'm trying to say, I can't really explain it as elegantly as you.

 

Well yeah, you as a US cit of course should want your currency to remain the only standard, it's all about controlling power. But keep in mind that the IMF is a US controlled global system set up at Bretton Woods. So this new system that people are talking about isn't actually a NEW SYSTEM as such. It's just a redistribution of power within the already existing structure, that's all.

 

Sure but just because it was U.S created and established doesn't mean anything to me. The Federal Reserve was U.S established and I feel the same way about that as I do about the IMF. It's all just corrupt central banks owned by elitists to me. And, I'm certainly not looking forward to paying them taxes.

 

 

I'd like to see you guys talk more about the deeper NWO shit, but I guess I'm the only one here that even pays attention to it. :D

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Monetary competition in international markets is definitely something I am personally for, that's not the point. Doom and Gloom? Where is doom and gloom in my reply? If anyone is doom and gloom it's Soros and others claiming that the dollar's death is desirable. How am I doom and gloom for calling them on their own statements?

 

Soros said orderly decline, you said death of the USD. Soros did not say that the USD needs to/is going to die.

 

Yea, I do think it's irrelevant. Our strong military doesn't even operate in the interest of the American public

 

They've denied any other nation the ability to invade the US for 60 years now, I'd say that's in the public interest, yeah? Without trying to sound condescending, because I'm sure there are things you have an education in that I don't understand either, but I don't think you understand geopolitical strategy, balancing, off shore balancing, spoiling, etc. Until you know what these are and can relate US behaviour to them (meaning you can accurately evaluate US performance) you can't really have a true picture of what the US does. Put it this way, they don't invade for oil (alone), they don't invade because some one tried to kill some one's daddy, they didn't care if WMDs were there or not. They care about precluding the ability of any nation to become a regional power and affecting US interests.

 

our level of intelligence that helped us excel in the space race has diminished

 

Still 100 miles ahead of everyone else and still control space. The US could decline another 50% and still be in that position. You realise that there are only 3 nations that have ever put a human in to space and one of those nations only achieved that 2 years ago when the US did it 50 years ago. The only other competitor is Russia and they within weeks of coming hat in hand to the US for investment and technology. I think you might be missing how far out in front the US is here.

 

and no, your intelligence hasn't diminished at all, you've decreased your budget.

 

 

And we are probably one of the most decadent and stupid nations on earth right now.

 

Decadence is irrelevant.

 

Stupid? Really??!! you need to check out which country has been at the forefront of medical advancement for the last 50 years, and still is. Who has the most patents, spends the most on R&D, who is the most technologically advanced in computer, telecom, quantum sciences, etc....

 

 

Are you seriously talking about our geographic location making us great for import/export?

 

No, I said that you have two oceans protecting your flanks from invasion and you have internal waterways making transport cheap.

 

If corporations didn't do everything they could in this country to cut corners and earn a profit that would probably be a great thing. Iran was dumping USD en masse before they were dumping the Euros, they will probably do it again. Plenty of other countries are dumping our debt as well,

 

Could you show me some evidence to back that up, please?

 

and please tell me what is so great about having foreign countries buying our debt anyway? I don't want to be indebted to these corrupt nations to begin with.

 

China needs to buy your debt to fund you buying their products, China is actually dependent on you, not the other way around like everyone mistakenly thinks. I'll give you an analogy; you owe me $100, if you don't pay me back, I'm going to shoot you in the head. You owe me a million dollars I'm going to do everything to keep you alive because if you die or are broke, I'll never see my money and then I'm broke too. To put it bluntly; owe me 100 bucks and I got you by the balls. Owe me a million bucks and you got me by the balls. Perfect example is Greece. You think Germany wants to bail them out right now? Of course not. But if Greece defaults, the Euro is in deep shit and that means Germany loses its power. Greece has Germany by the balls because Germany cannot afford to let Greece default.

 

Nations buying your debt means that they know that your economy is so strong that they are willing to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in it. So, is there something you know about the US economy that central banks all around the world don't?

 

 

Ok, but the US being an industrialized military dictatorship is, and having all of this "power", is not something I'm looking at and thinking, "Well, at least we're the ones in control." No. I'm thinking, why has my nation fallen to the same type of corruption and power mongering that this very same nation viciously and passionately fought against at it's foundations? It's not pessimistic to tell someone they have cancer, it can be a very encouraging moment in their life to fix things and make it better.

 

Sure, and it's admirable that you care about the values of your nation but that is a discussion irrelevant when it comes to evaluating national power.

 

 

That's true, can't argue with you. Doesn't mean he isn't surrounded by people who are though. Doesn't mean that these aren't the ideas and concepts floating around in the halls of the U.N and other international bureaucracy too. Don't get me wrong, it's great for the rest of the world to rise up around America, I support that, but this whole notion that America is so bad and needs to pay for everything it's done (meaning me, my future generations paying off debt, etc.) is preposterous.

 

Yeah, we can't draw anything from a simple pic. Have you read the book? You realise that it doesn't say anything about the US paying for what it has done, or anything like that, right? It's just discussing redistribution of power based on econ, tech, demography, geography, etc., and gets all excited over India..., almost irrationally so for my liking.

 

Also, dude, no one is "rising up against America", maybe except for Iran and Venezuela. China is competing economically, as is normal, Russia is trying to survive and Pakistan is a (very dodgy) partner and you are making a partner of India to balance the region. Countries don't "rise up against" each other mate, they compete for a greater share of power based on economics, military might and Joseph Nye would have us believe soft power as well.

 

 

 

I can't really debate you much here, you have solid information as always. Good points, all I would really say is that globalists and elitists who are part of and have profited off of the corruption of the U.S have been using and manipulating the strength of the U.S for decades now, for political purposes.

 

Quick question, what is the use of strength if you don't use and manipulate it for benefit?

 

 

If you lived in the U.S you would know just by watching the news every day just how much resentment there is towards the establishment due to this, and how power is beginning to shift. Many globalist policies and legislation that is going through Washington is having a very hard time being passed right now, and because of that I think these elitists and globalists are shifting over to China as their model government. If you can understand what I'm trying to say, I can't really explain it as elegantly as you.

 

Yeah, sorry mate, not sure what you are trying to say here.

 

 

 

Sure but just because it was U.S created and established doesn't mean anything to me. The Federal Reserve was U.S established and I feel the same way about that as I do about the IMF. It's all just corrupt central banks owned by elitists to me. And, I'm certainly not looking forward to paying them taxes.

 

Main point was that the system isn't new, there is just the possibility of a readjustment of where people rank in the system.

 

 

 

I'd like to see you guys talk more about the deeper NWO shit, but I guess I'm the only one here that even pays attention to it. :D

 

The whole Bildeberg and trilateral group thing, whilst not controlling the world, may be powerful and may try hard to guide many things in many ways. But the kind of "research" that I have been sent to look at on this stuff is honestly pretty shocking in quality and really hard to accept as credible. And to look in to something like this yourself is a really big thing that requires significant resources such as time, money, access to people and so on that I'm not inclined to expend. The NWO that is referred to when we see all those people talking at the start of that movie is something that I already know about, lived through and is a significant part of what I studied and now do for a job. So anyone trying to convince me that it is anything more than people talking about the redistribution of national power in the global system from a bipolar to a unipolar structure simply doesn't get a start because it's something I know and understand quite intimately. It's like some one trying to convince you that Microsoft is an Italian clothing company. You just know 100% that it isn't true.

 

And as for the UN(SC), wow, the most dysfunctional organisation in the world. Sorry, unfortunately I also know the reality of that total failure and it's next to impossible seeing that thing doing anything that could be called effective!

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It's a matter of what our founders intended. Arming ourselves was intended to keep tyrants from owning us.

 

but what if you change the word tyrants and substitute it for something like "corporations" or "business"?

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This is a decent little summary of one of the reasons for the desired shift away from the dollar in some parts of the world and also an indication of how far we are away from it actually happening. China has the third largest economy probably to be the second largest after the US by the end of this year. However, you can't even do business in the Yuan outside of China's borders........, digest that for a while.

 

 

 

China Acts to Settle More Deals in Yuan

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704289504575312560305201680.html?mod=WSJASIA_hps_LEFTTopWhatNews

 

 

 

 

 

By JASON DEAN And AARON BACK

 

BEIJING—China's government will expand a trial program for settling trade deals in yuan to most of the country, state media reported, in an effort to accelerate the internationalization of the Chinese currency after a slow start.

 

Trade deals by companies in China have typically been done in dollars or other foreign currencies. The yuan-settlement program, started last July, allowed companies in Shanghai and the southern province of Guangdong to use yuan instead when trading with companies based in Hong Kong, Macau and a handful of foreign countries.

 

 

The U.S. Treasury Department had no comment on the expansion of the yuan-settlement program.On Thursday, the state-run Xinhua news agency said the State Council, or China's cabinet, approved a plan to expand that program to a total of 20 provinces and municipalities. The Xinhua report cited Li Dongrong, an assistant governor of the People's Bank of China, the country's central bank.

 

The effort to promote the yuan for trade deals is part of China's push to gradually make its currency more important internationally, and reduce its reliance on the dollar. Chinese officials have said the global economy is too reliant on the dollar, which they say leads to outsize impact from U.S. economic policy on China and other countries. Beijing has expressed particular concern that U.S. deficits could lead to inflation that weakens the value of the dollar, thereby hurting China's enormous holdings of dollar assets.

 

Still, the yuan-settlement trial has gotten off to a slow start, and it's unclear how significant an impact expanding the number of Chinese regions involved might have. Xinhua said the total value of yuan-based transactions from July 2009 through May this year was 44.55 billion yuan, or about $6.5 billion. By comparison, the total value of China's exports and imports in the first five months of this year alone was $1.1 trillion.

 

The trial program has been hindered by a slew of complicated regulations that vary by location, and by the fact that many international companies are reluctant to hold the Chinese currency because of its limited utility outside China. By far the biggest impediment to the yuan's internationalization is the Chinese government's unwillingness to make it fully convertible, a policy that Beijing has shown little willingness to change soon.

 

Chinese officials frequently talk about the need for a more internationally used yuan, but they also acknowledge it won't rival the dollar any time soon. Speaking at a seminar in Taiwan on Thursday, Dai Xianglong, a former central bank governor who now heads China's national pension fund, said "The U.S. dollar will [retain] its dominance, but in the long term, it has a tendency to depreciation," according to Xinhua. Meanwhile, Mr. Dai said, the yuan and other currencies of emerging economies will eventually become international currencies.

 

Though it remains a distant goal, settling a significant portion of its trade in its own currency could have a number of advantages for China. It would reduce currency risks for Chinese exporters, who pay much of their costs in yuan but invoice in dollars or other foreign denominations. That issue has been an increasing concern to China's government given recent market volatility that has pushed the euro's value down sharply. Europe is China's biggest trading partner.

 

Using yuan for trade settlement could also reduce China's accumulation of foreign-exchange reserves, which the central bank now gets largely from buying dollars from exporters. The reserves have given China international clout as an investor but also created headaches.

 

Thursday's Xinhua report on the expansion of the trade program didn't specify which regions will be included, except to say that the northeastern province of Heilongjiang would be among them. But 20 would cover most of mainland China, which has 31 province-level regions.

 

Mr. Li said the State Council is likely to issue detailed rules on the extension of the yuan-settlement program in the near term, Xinhua reported.

 

Write to Jason Dean at jason.dean@wsj.com and Aaron Back at aaron.back@dowjones.com

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Russia Will Lead Effort to Found `New World Economic Order,' Medvedev Says

 

http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-18/russia-to-drive-new-world-economic-order-medvedev-tells-global-leaders.html

 

Russia will help lead efforts to recast the global economic hierarchy as the world emerges from the financial crisis, President Dmitry Medvedev said.

 

“We really live at a unique time, and we should use it to build a modern, prosperous and strong Russia, a Russia that will be a co-founder of the new world economic order,” Medvedev said at the annual St. Petersburg International Economic Forum today.

 

Russia will use tax incentives and other free-market economic policies to turn the country into a destination for innovators from around the world, Medvedev told an audience including Citigroup Inc. Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit and French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde.

 

Medvedev, in the third year of his presidency, is promoting modernization to transform Russia from an oil-and-gas economy into a magnet for high technology. Its reliance on natural resources exacerbated the steepest contraction among major emerging markets last year, when the economy shrank a record 7.9 percent.

 

The government will abolish taxes on capital gains from long-term direct investments starting next year, seeking to lure funds to reduce the economy’s energy dependence and subdue speculative capital, Medvedev said.

 

Gold Prices Heading For Record Highs

 

http://infowars.net/articles/june2010/170610Gold.htm

 

Gold futures surged toward record highs Thursday as the stock market and the U.S. economy continued to flounder, leaving investors seeking a safe haven in hard assets.

 

Gold for August delivery rose $14.40, or 1.2%, to $1,245 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange.

 

A weaker dollar was a contributing factor, with the ICE Futures U.S. Dollar Index down 0.4%, its lowest level in almost four weeks, and the euro up 0.6% against the dollar.

 

The jump also came in the wake of news that U.S. consumer prices posted their largest fall in nearly 1-1/2 years in May.

 

In addition the number of people filing for jobless benefits in the United States rose by 12,000 to 472,000 in the week ended June 12. Forecasters had predicted that claims would fall by 6,000.

 

The surge represents the largest daily rise in a week for gold, a rise within 1% of its all-time record high of $1,254 an ounce.

 

Despite the euro having somewhat rebounded recently, gold has held strong above $1,200, indicating a further detachment from movements in the currency markets.

 

New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNiyJ905Ho0Ur96V2TQhsBX19lGwD9GDAVMO0

 

WASHINGTON — The number of people filing new claims for jobless benefits jumped last week after three straight declines, another sign that the pace of layoffs has not slowed.

Initial claims for jobless benefits rose by 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 472,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. It was the highest level in a month and overshadowed a report that showed consumer prices remain essentially flat.

The rise in jobless claims highlighted concerns about the economic rebound — especially after a report earlier this week said home construction plunged in May after government tax credits expired.

If layoffs persist, there's a concern that the June employment numbers may show a decline in private-sector jobs after five straight months of gains, said Jennifer Lee, an economist with BMO Capital Markets.

"We've definitely seen the economic recovery hit a wall," Lee said.

 

Consumer Price Drop Squeezes Profits

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704289504575312950299049246.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

 

In what is good news for shoppers but bad news for many companies, U.S. consumer prices fell 0.2% last month from April, even as commodity prices from metal to fuel to food remain higher than they were a year ago.

 

The result: Many companies are finding their profit margins squeezed.

 

 

The Labor Department Thursday said that excluding volatile food and energy prices, consumer prices rose a modest 0.1% in May. Compared to a year ago, prices, excluding food and energy, have risen only 0.9%, the smallest increase since 1966.

 

Such a scenario should buoy weary consumers especially at a time of high unemployment and worries about the turmoil in Europe. But it puts many companies in a bind as they digest rising wholesale prices, which push up their production and operating costs. Many companies say they are reluctant to pass price increases to consumers who are still jittery from the recession.

 

Cambridge professor Nicholas Boyle - Only Global Governance Can Save Us From A Century Of Chaos

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/professor-only-global-governance-can-save-us-from-a-century-of-chaos.html

 

A major event that takes place in 2014 will plunge the world into a crisis that will characterize the rest of the century, according to Cambridge professor Nicholas Boyle, and only the introduction of global governance can save humanity from an era of poverty and violence.

“A ‘Doomsday’ moment will take place in 2014 – and will determine whether the 21st century is full of violence and poverty or will be peaceful and prosperous, according to a Cambridge University professor,” reports the Daily Mail.

“In the last 500 years there has been a cataclysmic ‘Great Event’ of international significance at the start of each century, he claims. Occurring in the middle of the second decade of each century, they include events which sparked wars, religious conflict and brought peace.”

In order to “fight climate change,” which as the Climategate scandal highlighted, is nothing more than a contrived fraud exaggerated and exploited by the elite in an effort to plunder the taxpayer and impose draconian rules and regulations on our day to day existence, as well as to solve the financial crisis (also a creation of the elite), Boyle states that peace and security can only be guaranteed if an “effective system of global governance is introduced” to replace nation states.

Boyle’s warning that only global governance run by by an enlightened elite can rescue the planet from turmoil is a familiar talking point put out by the establishment to hoodwink people into meekly accepting the end of national sovereignty as an inevitable process, a natural progression that they have no power to stop.

 

Greenspan: We're In Danger Of Being The Next Greece!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/greenspan-were-in-danger-of-being-the-next-greece-2010-6#ixzz0rEl96REg

 

Former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan has an op-ed in the WSJ arguing that the runaway Federal Deficit threatens to turn the US into the next Greece.

 

He doesn't actually think that the US debt bears any credit risk, due to our ability to print at will, but that there is a substantial risk that borrowing costs will soar.

 

Of course, market participants are aware of our towering deficit, and yet yields continue their long march lower, so that's kind of problematic to his world view.

 

Says Greenspan: "This is regrettable, because it is fostering a sense of complacency that can have dire consequences."

 

Yet, he argues, not all market signals are so benign:

 

In the wake of recent massive budget deficits, the difference between the 10-year swap rate and 10-year Treasury note yield (the swap spread) declined to an unprecedented negative 13 basis points this March from a positive 77 basis points in September 2008. This indicated that investors were requiring the U.S. Treasury to pay an interest rate higher than rates that prevailed on comparable maturity private swaps.

 

Obama: 'To rebuild America's economy, rebuild America'

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/06/obama-if-were-going-to-rebuild-americas-economy-rebuild-america/1

 

President Obama just finished speaking to an audience in Columbus, Ohio about the economic stimulus plan. The event kicks off what the White House is dubbing "The Summer of Recovery," a major push to highlight the results of the president's $787 billion stimulus plan -- and to make the case for more spending to goose the economy.

 

The president did that in Ohio, arguing that projects like the road construction he came to see in downtown Columbus are investments that will pay off in the long run.

 

At the beginning of his address, the president acknowledged two Democratic candidates in hot Ohio races: Gov. Ted Strickland, who is running for re-election against former Republican congressman John Kasich, and Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher, who is competing with former Republican congressman Rob Portman for Senate.

 

Small companies not pulling out of recession same way as larger corporations

 

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jun/18/small-companies-not-pulling-out-recession-same-way/

 

Karen Mills, administrator of the U.S. Small Business Administration, told members of the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce last week that although the economy is recovering, small businesses are not rebounding like larger companies.

 

“I am seeing an economy that is coming back much more slowly for small business than big business,” said Mills, who spoke June 8 at a chamber luncheon at the Four Seasons. “Small businesses have suffered much more in the credit crunch.”

 

Las Vegas is an important small-business community that has been especially hard hit, Mills said. Helping them is important because 65 percent of the jobs created in the country will come from small business, she said.

 

“If we are going to come out of this recession and continue this path to recovery and if we are going to be competitive for a long time in this global economy, it is because we have small businesses that are healthy and vibrant and growing,” Mills said. “It is not the government that is going to be creating jobs that lead us out of this recovery. It is small business, and it is our job to give you the tools you need to do it.”

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lot of articles there... everything I linked to is related to the economy in some way. mostly the American economy, but some are international. Obama is gearing up for a "Recovery Summer" now, claiming that a double dip recession is out of the question and that this summer we will see a full recovery in the American economy. The situation with BP is also becoming an opportunity to push forward a carbon tax, which would kick start their new economic world order...

 

They claim this is a recovery yet, unemployment is still rising, gold is still skyrocketing, the dollar is still falling, we have a 21st century breadline with how many people in America are now on food stamps, the threat of complete collapse is still there, the only way to fix it is to rebuild it but the people who broke it want to be in charge of rebuilding it and give themselves even more authority and control, and the only people recovering from this recovery so far is big business and corporations while average people with small businesses are still suffering. Meanwhile, Cambridge Professors are suggesting that global governance is the only way to prevent the world from decades of crisis... and corrupt nations like Russia/China etc. are encouraging and pushing new global economic world orders that they want a stake in.

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Hahaha, you don't have to worry about Russia, they won't be doing anything for a long time. You remember how they backed the UN resolution against Iran and have now said that they're dropping the delivery of S-300s? That was a deal with the US. The Russian economy is in disastrous long term shape. They are reliant on energy exports (which is a recipe for disaster in itself), their demographics are in a world of shit, second highest AIDS count to Africa (so bad that Moscow told WHO to stop testing), huuuuuge drug resistant TB, etc. etc. Russia needs an injection of foreign investment and most of all technology to shift them away from an energy export dependent economy or by this time next decade Russia will be in the tank, to the point of total collapse.

 

So they made a deal with the US, they'll throw Iran under the bus if the US invests and brings in technology. One element of tech they want from the US is that of ice platform drilling. If you look through Medvedev's big St. Petersburg speech from yesterday, which you've posted some of up there, you will see changes to capital gains tax and a whole lot of other items that encourage investment. Russia for the first time in generations, since before the Cold War and maybe even the revolution, is importing military equipment instead of making it themselves. That is because they are so far behind in technology. They are looking to buy 4 Mistral class carriers from France but the sticking point is what tech will come with it. They have bought the rights to manufacture foreign thermal imagery tech for tanks and so on and I beleive they will buy some UAV tech soon as well.

 

Russia is VERY dependent on the US right now for money and technology. They won't be leading anyone anywhere for a good time yet.

 

That inflation/deflation data is a bit of a worry, you don't want material prices rising and consumer prices dropping. Deflation can become a self fulfilling spiral as people wait for the prices to drop more before buying. Don't be overly concerned about the job figures as overall they are recovering. Latest figures are showing that the recovery has plateaued a bit keep in mind that this is within an upward trend. The US has growth, that's central. And I'm no economist but I think Greenspan has lost a large amount of credibility, no?

 

I've notice you call the US, China and Russia corrupt nations. Can you give me an example of an honest nation? I don't mean in abstract terms but are there any out there, like Sweden, Japan, Canada or whoever?

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