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casek let me try and answer your post as a first generation immigrant from mexico.

 

of course i think that the illegals commiting crimes give the rest of hispanics a bad name. that's one of the reasons the government is using against us.

 

about being treated like first class citizens i dont know what you are reffering too.

 

illegals are not allowed to drive without a license but they are forced to because they are illegal and cant go to the dmv and apply for one. in a lot of cases like in california you can find illegals driving with licenses from another state like washington where there is no ssn required to apply for id or dl. that means that he or she has to either drive or catch a plane to that state just to get a dl. come back to california and everytime he or she gets pulled over has to lie and say he or she is just visiting.

 

same thing with the bank, some dont even require ssn to open an account. imagine being in line and then being asked about a social? its embarrsing man, but they just want to work and raise their children to be good people , go to school and provide a better life than the one they had.

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People who are for illegal immigration are 9 times out of ten little spoil upper-class brats.

 

Illegal immigration is a cancer on society. It dumps wages, erodes the tax base and turns whole part of society to the black market.

 

This is nothing but pure class warfare.

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yeah man they took my strawberry picking job im mad as hell...

 

whats that elections? are in november. perfect time to get everyone heated and hating each other for elections. well played rich. let the lower and middle class battle this one out.

i enjoy mexicans coming here and making something out of themselves not a fan of there offspring turning into shitheads and spitting on everything there parents tried to do. and of course i mean gangbangers.

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Why is it only blue collar workers who should compete with the third world slave wages?

 

why cant we have complete open boarders for white collar workers too. Let all those great cheap engineers, doctors, it workers and so get come and work hard and well for next to nothing.

 

i mean an american doctor makes more than 100k a year, a thai one probably less then 10k.

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If there arent millions of illegals in the country you cant hire them. And you cant by pass minimum wage laws,or bust unions with illegal scabs.

 

And if you are locked up, its kinda hard to hire anyone.. Youll probably have full employment tossing someones sallad.

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casek let me try and answer your post as a first generation immigrant from mexico.

 

of course i think that the illegals commiting crimes give the rest of hispanics a bad name. that's one of the reasons the government is using against us.

 

about being treated like first class citizens i dont know what you are reffering too.

 

illegals are not allowed to drive without a license but they are forced to because they are illegal and cant go to the dmv and apply for one. in a lot of cases like in california you can find illegals driving with licenses from another state like washington where there is no ssn required to apply for id or dl. that means that he or she has to either drive or catch a plane to that state just to get a dl. come back to california and everytime he or she gets pulled over has to lie and say he or she is just visiting.

 

same thing with the bank, some dont even require ssn to open an account. imagine being in line and then being asked about a social? its embarrsing man, but they just want to work and raise their children to be good people , go to school and provide a better life than the one they had.

 

 

Ok, I understand. I figured most Hispanics here didn't like the criminals for that reason.

It really must be a struggle for the illegal immigrants to figure out ways to get by.

 

I feel for them, I really do. Mexico is very rich in precious minerals, etc. Yet the people are

mostly very poor.

 

There's a Mexican community here in TN. They all seem very quiet and I understand completely. This is a very racist area. Even when I see a mother with her children and hold the door open or whatever for them I smile and they look at me as if they aren't quite sure about my actions. That's the most unnerving feeling ever. Probably mutual.

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yeah man they took my strawberry picking job im mad as hell...

 

whats that elections? are in november. perfect time to get everyone heated and hating each other for elections. well played rich. let the lower and middle class battle this one out.

i enjoy mexicans coming here and making something out of themselves not a fan of there offspring turning into shitheads and spitting on everything there parents tried to do. and of course i mean gangbangers.

 

 

It's really hard for me to have an opinion now. I feel like you do, but I also get the picture with why the people would want to come here and try to make a life. I don't want to give all illegals amnesty because that might be a huge mistake on our part. I also don't think the good people should be lumped in with the bad and denied b/c of the color of their skin or their heritage.

 

A real mindfuck.

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Casek

 

exactly and how can you filter or weed out the bad. We are talking millions of people. How can the issue be resolved readily? It can't.

 

 

As far as how I feel about the whole thing.

 

I'm second gen American and although only my mom is US born; both my parents are citizens .

 

I could even say 3rd gen American because my grandmother(moms side) is a US citizen.

 

On my fathers side both my grandparents had tourist visas.

 

Having said this I have to add that I had never really thought about how I feel on the subject.

 

I am not in the least bit prejudice against ANY peoples or cultures therefore to now he way I see it is, people are people no matter what country they are from. Any person be it black white yellow or brown deserves respect along with life liberty the pursuit of happiness and financial/emotional stability.

 

Financially Mexico is fucked because of rampant corruption on every level therefore I can understand and might I add sympathize with my brethren for coming to he US in search for a land rich in milk and honey.

 

This latter point I mention because In all actuality I feel as though the only entity to blame is the US government.

 

All these poor sap Immigrants were lured here by big business/big government and like everything else now they yell fire when things have gotten far beyond control.

 

Let the bureaucrats deal with the mess they themselves created and are now passing down upon this great nation.

 

We have only ourselves to blame for one of the largest migrations the world has ever witnessed.

 

You can yell all you want about wet backs taking jobs but unless we as a nation get off our fat lazy asses, start taking these min wage jobs ourselves, change our entire way of living and bring back the trades which this nation was founded upon that this problem will be resolved.

 

We want fresh produce all year long as well as the best "competitive" prices however do not wish to share the burden this entails.

basically it is all at someones expense. everyone except US that is.

 

Or alas we have jumped off into the deep end o the pool already and there is no cure for a cancer we created.

 

 

No political oner

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People who are for illegal immigration are 9 times out of ten little spoil upper-class brats.

 

Illegal immigration is a cancer on society. It dumps wages, erodes the tax base and turns whole part of society to the black market.

 

This is nothing but pure class warfare.

 

People who are against illegal immigration are 9 times out of ten ignorant lower-class rednecks who want someone to blame for their problems. Seriously, what's your excuse for not doing anything with your lives? The Mexicans? Give me a break. Try educating yourself, its not that hard to go to a bum-fuck tech or vocational college.

 

(see how generalizations and attacks do nothing for this discussion)

 

The black market would not exist if it weren't for drug laws and if you knew anything about what went down into the increase of Mexican immigration to the U.S. maybe you would have a different viewpoint, or at least a better understanding of the issue on the whole. I recommend looking into the North American Free Trade Agreement and U.S. Agricultural subsidies.

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Casek

 

 

 

We have only ourselves to blame for one of the largest migrations the world has ever witnessed.

 

 

We want fresh produce all year long as well as the best "competitive" prices however do not wish to share the burden this entails.

basically it is all at someones expense. everyone except US that is.

 

 

 

No political oner

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/27/business/us-corn-subsidies-said-to-damage-mexico.html?pagewanted=1

 

 

what i find funny is that we actually took their jobs as corn farmers! our taxes go to large agribuisnesses like ADM so they can sell corn at a cheaper price. All the commodity gets dumped onto the developing or third world, and their farmers can't compete with our artificially cheap prices.

 

the whole point of this was to LOCK the third world into poverty. we don't want the people of Ghana, Mexico and Benin to be able to sustain themselves with their own crops. We want them to be completely dependent on food aid, because there are U.S. companies profiting off of the billions in sending crops overseas. the u.s. could possibly be doing this not only for profits, but also to flex our dominance and control as a super power over the rest of the world.

 

when people put no insight past, "They're drug smugglers and Rapists and they're takin our jobs and stealin our taxes" it can be really annoying, almost UMAD-ning.

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Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_day_labor

 

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

The law's supporters hope the departure of illegal immigrants will help dismantle part of the underground economy here and create jobs for thousands of legal residents in a state with a 9.6 percent unemployment rate.

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the outcome of this will be? I guess we have to wait and see if it's good for the state or bad for it.

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honestly, the most out of control people over here are illegals. i honestly don't care if you're illegal or not, but if your conduct is fucking up my neighborhood, then get the fuck out. ALL the violent crime that's been going on around here lately is strictly illegals on my street. halloween - dude was robbing people with a kitchen knife for beer because he was banned from the local liquor store, even when there's another 5 blocks away (illegal), a few days later, guy stabbed in the face with a broken bottle (victim, and aggressor both illegal), multiple stabbings over the winter (performed specifically by illegals), attempted rape not even a month ago (performed BY an illegal). I'm not saying that only illegals perform violent, illegal activity, but the ones around here, and i'd imagine in a lot more places treat the US like a vacation from responsibility or civil behavior. this law would be a godsend around here, and maybe we'd have less fucking cops constantly patrolling, looking for 15 people hanging out on a staircase drinking beer straight on the street, throwing the bottles at other buildings. i'm sick of this shit, and i'd imagine when you can just jump across a border that's less than 50 miles away from you, it must be way worse. i hope this sets a precedence for other states if this works though. i have no problem with people coming from other countries, who have the same documentation as you and me, and ability to work, pay taxes, and lead a normal life, but it'd be goddamn nice to give the police the ability (yes give the police yet another ability) to get the ones they know that are starting shit to get deported immediately. god knows the ones that don't start shit, live a decent life, and aren't abusing the system will essentially get left alone.

 

fuck any monetary reason for illegal immigration, i solely want my neighborhood safe again. why is it that out of a city that has thousands, and thousands in it, the only ones that i see that make things dangerous and unsafe for us are illegals, and strictly illegals. fuck that shit.

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honestly, the most out of control people over here are illegals. i honestly don't care if you're illegal or not, but if your conduct is fucking up my neighborhood, then get the fuck out. ALL the violent crime that's been going on around here lately is strictly illegals on my street. halloween - dude was robbing people with a kitchen knife for beer because (illegal), a few days later, guy stabbed in the fac

 

 

That's where the lack of policing comes into play. Seems like cops just like to shock people

these days and bust pot smokers instead of cleaning up the crime.

 

I like to laugh at the Mexican teenagers here b/c they all have that guido hair, etc. They all seriously look like they stepped off that Jersey Shore show. They don't cause any trouble, though. Like I said, this is a pretty racist part of the country. They would be fools to do any

shooting up or robbing.

 

Seems like a lot of the bad folk here are redneck, white, and crackheads. I hate these people.

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Jesus. as soon as mexico doesnt keep their southern border heavily guarded, treating anyone that gets through MUCH WORSE than america does, i'll think about caring about ILLEGAL immigration "rights"

 

Some of you try to make the argument that illegals have to jump through so many hoops after they get here just to get a drivers license. Oh no! You mean you got around the system and now have to go further around the system in order to stay here? OH HOW HORRIBLE!.

 

This has nothing to do with racism like a whole lot of ignorant people seem to think (on 12oz and outside of 12oz)

 

And trying to say a company that is able to have lower prices is doing it only to spite the workers in 3rd world countries and keep them down is one of the most laughable concepts I have ever been exposed to.

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I'd have to say if you aren't attempting to become a citizen, learn english, and participate in society like everyone else, be prepared to be treated like a criminal, because you are.

 

You shouldn't be able to become a citizen just because you can get into the United States, regardless if it's getting on a plane, or running across the border. If you think it is a ploy against your race, you're just being stupid.

 

The drug violence that is going on is a direct result of the war on drugs. The legalization of marijuana would certainly weaken drug cartels. If the rest of the illegal drugs we're to be legalized their power would be almost immediately taken away. I'm sure they would try to fight to retain some of this power, but eventually it would be all gone.

 

As far as paying illegal's to work instead of citizen's due to the fact that you can pay illegal's less, because well they aren't citizen's and don't have the same rights, this is another issue all together, and like most here have said, those people participating in such activities should be punished, via fines, and if that doesn't work eventually prison time.

 

This law is a step in the wrong direction and set's a precedent. This could easily extend to everyone in the state of Arizona, the rest of the southern states that border Mexico, and eventually the rest of the United States. It's not even about the illegal's at this point, it is about the actual citizen's who are of Latino descent that will have their rights violated, for no reason at all.

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English is not the official language of the US. For the record.

 

there is no official U.S language, but learning English is high priority. a combination of English and Spanish is probably best.

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English is not the official language of the US. For the record.

 

I was under the assumption that to become a citizen you have to proof that you are proficient in the English language.

 

I'm not talking about official languages here.

 

If I am incorrect, my b.

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I was under the assumption that to become a citizen you have to proof that you are proficient in the English language.

 

I'm not talking about official languages here.

 

If I am incorrect, my b.

 

 

Pretty sure this is right. It kinda makes me mad that some folks, whether Hispanic or whatever, don't attempt to learn English when they come here. When most English speaking people travel abroad they attempt to learn the native tongue. It's only right...then again, we're discussing something that goes beyond language barriers.

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I dont mind of they stay in a specific part of a city (ie. Little Havana) and can be completely self sufficient. But if they need something, and the only way they can get is by asking in English, then thats their own fucking fault. Ive had full grown adults use their infant child is a translator, and that shit blew me away. Come on now.

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Pretty sure this is right. It kinda makes me mad that some folks, whether Hispanic or whatever, don't attempt to learn English when they come here. When most English speaking people travel abroad they attempt to learn the native tongue. It's only right...then again, we're discussing something that goes beyond language barriers.

 

Comparing English speaking travelers to say Spanish speaking ones is kind of unfair. People who travel from here to another country probably have enough resources to get those classes or basic knowledge they require in order to get by in said country.

There Adult schools out there that help them learn English and some of them do take advantage of them but learning another language as an adult can be difficult. Think about the average immigrant, most of them working in low paying jobs and working a minumum of 8 hours a day. At the end of the day the last thing they want to do is go to school.

Don't get me wrong, I too agree that English should be one of their priorities if they are to assimilate to this country but that's just not how it works out for them. Of course there are those who simply don't care to learn English and do not bother with it, it is mostly those who don't plan on staying here for too long.

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Comparing English speaking travelers to say Spanish speaking ones is kind of unfair. People who travel from here to another country probably have enough resources to get those classes or basic knowledge they require in order to get by in said country.

There Adult schools out there that help them learn English and some of them do take advantage of them but learning another language as an adult can be difficult. Think about the average immigrant, most of them working in low paying jobs and working a minumum of 8 hours a day. At the end of the day the last thing they want to do is go to school.

Don't get me wrong, I too agree that English should be one of their priorities if they are to assimilate to this country but that's just not how it works out for them. Of course there are those who simply don't care to learn English and do not bother with it, it is mostly those who don't plan on staying here for too long.

 

 

Gotcha. I know there are a ton of things to think about that we, as citizens, probably don't even know how to consider.

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