MAR Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 According to the Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 97a, " R. Kattina said: Six thousand years shall the world exist, and one [thousand, the seventh], it shall be desolate…". Ancient and medieval Kabbalists such as Nehunya ben HaKanah, in Sefer HaTemunah (written about 100 AD) and Rabbi Isaac of Acco understood these seven thousand years a running parallel to the Jewish Sabbatical cycle. In this cycle the fields are planted and harvested for six years and left unplanted in the seventh year.2 Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, who apart from being a rabbi, also held a master’s degree in physics, cites the calculations of Rabbi Isaac of Acco in his commentaries on the book Sefer Yehzirah: The Book of Creation. This book has an oral tradition going back to Abraham, but was first committed to writing about 1500 years ago. In his commentary on this book Rabbi Kaplan writes: "According to the master Kabbalist, Rabbi Isaac of Acco, when counting the years of these cycles, one must not use an ordinary physical year, but rather, a divine year. The Midrash says that each divine day is a thousand years, basing this on the verse, "A thousand years in Your sight are but as yesterday" (Psalm 90:4). Since each year contains 364 ¼ days, a divine year would be 365,250 years long. According to this, each cycle of seven thousand divine years would consist of 2,556,750,000 earthly years. This figure of two-and-a-half billion years is very close to the scientific estimate as to the length of time that life has existed on earth. If we assume that the seventh cycle began with the Biblical account of creation, then this would have occurred when the universe was 15,340,500,000 years old. This is very close to the scientific estimate that the expansion of the universe began some fifteen billion years ago" (Kaplan 186) This was thought up in the 13th century, way before carbon dating etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcs Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 dao said that dogs prevailed from whales. In an around bout sense thats not too far from reality but missing a bunch of subsequent steps. Some where along the lines an aquatic being developed the means to become a land dwelling being. Whales breath oxygen thru their blowholes and have lungs. This makes them a prime candidate for such a cross over. Over time they developed feet and were able to move from the sea to land so they could find food on the land. Over time they adapted to be more like land dwelling creatures and thru natural selection and thousands of years their skin probably became more resistant to sun exposure. To say they are the predecessor to wolves is pretty far fetched but like i said. Natural selection doesn't happen overnight. Altho i dont have an example of a whale like land creature im sure some species of land animals exist that share alot of the same basic fundamental attributes of whales. /nodao/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grim540 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -John Stuart Mill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim540 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 Paul/Kucinich 2012...... f'real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 maybe you are right casek. I just roll with what the scientific community has proven to be real. Before something becomes a theory its a hypothesis a proven hypothesis is a theory. Man descended from lower forms. The religious types think that God got busy and in 7 days and 7 nights or some shit he put this shit together. Fossil records have pretty much discredited that shit. It was basically absurd in the first place Sometimes I think people are so closed off that they miss the miracles that are around them every day. Why can there not be room for religion in science? Muslims believe that the more advanced science gets, the closer to God the human race gets. Not "closer to God" as in being God, but closer in our relationship. Not to say you're wrong and I'm right, or vice versa. Just wondering why you would close yourself off from possibilities that none of us can ever be sure of until we reach that path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 dao said that dogs prevailed from whales. In an around bout sense thats not too far from reality but missing a bunch of subsequent steps. Some where along the lines an aquatic being developed the means to become a land dwelling being. Whales breath oxygen thru their blowholes and have lungs. This makes them a prime candidate for such a cross over. Over time they developed feet and were able to move from the sea to land so they could find food on the land. Over time they adapted to be more like land dwelling creatures and thru natural selection and thousands of years their skin probably became more resistant to sun exposure. To say they are the predecessor to wolves is pretty far fetched but like i said. Natural selection doesn't happen overnight. Altho i dont have an example of a whale like land creature im sure some species of land animals exist that share alot of the same basic fundamental attributes of whales. /nodao/ Whales actually had feet before they went to the ocean. They lost them in the evolutionary change. If I'm not mistaken, they were also fur covered creatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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abcs Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 oh well. im just rambling now. Its pretty well documented and agreed upon that there was life on this planet before modern and even pre modern man. This is evident in fossil records and pretty conclusive "God" in any of his many personifications is a creation of man. I would be willing to bet my testicles, my dick, and any money that i may in the future earn that a T-Rex had no concept or awareness of a man wearing a robe and a crown of thorns turning water to wine. So how does one figure that god (any god) who is represented as being human created the earth if the earth had already existed for tens upon tens of thousands of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcs Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 and furthermore. Whales are cousins with tuna... and tuna is the chicken of the sea. Which explains why whales hatch from eggs. So basically chickens are part tuna and thus cousins with whales. Everybody knows that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 oh well. im just rambling now. Its pretty well documented and agreed upon that there was life on this planet before modern and even pre modern man. This is evident in fossil records and pretty conclusive "God" in any of his many personifications is a creation of man. I would be willing to bet my testicles, my dick, and any money that i may in the future earn that a T-Rex had no concept or awareness of a man wearing a robe and a crown of thorns turning water to wine. So how does one figure that god (any god) who is represented as being human created the earth if the earth had already existed for tens upon tens of thousands of years Why would you have to personify a creator? Also, why would any intelligent person think that the stories in the Bible were all truth and not parables meant to teach us something? You sound as though you have a preconception of what you think religion is about without fully investigating. Keep in mind that I'm not a Christian but I am spiritual and I do believe in a creator. Whether it was that tiny spark of energy that exploded into everything that is (which is scientific theory of the creation of the universe), or a deity who is personified as the finger wagging benevolent God. (I believe the prior, but would be satisfied just the same with the latter) I happen to believe that the universal creator is behind the intricate dance of molecules, protons, neutrons, etc. and is evidenced by the complex mathematics seen in every piece of matter in existence. Remember this: energy can never be created or killed. It always is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 and furthermore. Whales are cousins with tuna... and tuna is the chicken of the sea. Which explains why whales hatch from eggs. So basically chickens are part tuna and thus cousins with whales. Everybody knows that Well, duh. How do you think we got internets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemFailure Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Boy this shit sure is a fascinating debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 You did the right thing, SF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 You know who believed in god? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 become a guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 i do need to start a religion. seems like a fuckin great way to make money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 My own scientific studies have shown that anyone who makes up their mind before actually thinking about an issue is retarded. That describes the majority of both liberals and conservatives who strictly side with popular party platforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroin bob Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 i do need to start a religion. seems like a fuckin great way to make money its been the biggest money makin machine.. so far. go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAISER-SOZE Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 so does this mean that because im cool with gays getting married,and also love guns.that im twice as smart as the rest of you jackoffs? I'm cool with gays getting married and also love guns, yet I consider myself a liberal. I guess that makes me smarter than all of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystemFailure Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 HE'S BACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Camus Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Serial killers usually have a higher than average IQ too, this article means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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