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According to the Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 97a, " R. Kattina said: Six thousand years shall the world exist, and one [thousand, the seventh], it shall be desolate…". Ancient and medieval Kabbalists such as Nehunya ben HaKanah, in Sefer HaTemunah (written about 100 AD) and Rabbi Isaac of Acco understood these seven thousand years a running parallel to the Jewish Sabbatical cycle. In this cycle the fields are planted and harvested for six years and left unplanted in the seventh year.2

 

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, who apart from being a rabbi, also held a master’s degree in physics, cites the calculations of Rabbi Isaac of Acco in his commentaries on the book Sefer Yehzirah: The Book of Creation. This book has an oral tradition going back to Abraham, but was first committed to writing about 1500 years ago. In his commentary on this book Rabbi Kaplan writes:

 

"According to the master Kabbalist, Rabbi Isaac of Acco, when counting the years of these cycles, one must not use an ordinary physical year, but rather, a divine year. The Midrash says that each divine day is a thousand years, basing this on the verse, "A thousand years in Your sight are but as yesterday" (Psalm 90:4). Since each year contains 364 ¼ days, a divine year would be 365,250 years long.

 

According to this, each cycle of seven thousand divine years would consist of 2,556,750,000 earthly years. This figure of two-and-a-half billion years is very close to the scientific estimate as to the length of time that life has existed on earth.

 

If we assume that the seventh cycle began with the Biblical account of creation, then this would have occurred when the universe was 15,340,500,000 years old. This is very close to the scientific estimate that the expansion of the universe began some fifteen billion years ago" (Kaplan 186)

 

This was thought up in the 13th century, way before carbon dating etc.

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dao said that dogs prevailed from whales. In an around bout

sense thats not too far from reality but missing a bunch of

subsequent steps. Some where along the lines an aquatic being

developed the means to become a land dwelling being. Whales

breath oxygen thru their blowholes and have lungs. This makes

them a prime candidate for such a cross over. Over time they

developed feet and were able to move from the sea to land

so they could find food on the land. Over time they adapted to

be more like land dwelling creatures and thru natural selection

and thousands of years their skin probably became more resistant

to sun exposure. To say they are the predecessor to wolves is

pretty far fetched but like i said. Natural selection doesn't happen

overnight. Altho i dont have an example of a whale like land

creature im sure some species of land animals exist that share

alot of the same basic fundamental attributes of whales.

/nodao/

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maybe you are right casek. I just roll with what the scientific community

has proven to be real. Before something becomes a theory its a hypothesis

a proven hypothesis is a theory. Man descended from lower forms.

The religious types think that God got busy and in 7 days and 7 nights

or some shit he put this shit together. Fossil records have pretty much

discredited that shit. It was basically absurd in the first place

 

 

 

Sometimes I think people are so closed off that they miss the miracles that are around

them every day.

 

Why can there not be room for religion in science?

 

Muslims believe that the more advanced science gets, the closer to God

the human race gets. Not "closer to God" as in being God, but closer in

our relationship.

 

Not to say you're wrong and I'm right, or vice versa. Just wondering why you would

close yourself off from possibilities that none of us can ever be sure of until we reach

that path.

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dao said that dogs prevailed from whales. In an around bout

sense thats not too far from reality but missing a bunch of

subsequent steps. Some where along the lines an aquatic being

developed the means to become a land dwelling being. Whales

breath oxygen thru their blowholes and have lungs. This makes

them a prime candidate for such a cross over. Over time they

developed feet and were able to move from the sea to land

so they could find food on the land. Over time they adapted to

be more like land dwelling creatures and thru natural selection

and thousands of years their skin probably became more resistant

to sun exposure. To say they are the predecessor to wolves is

pretty far fetched but like i said. Natural selection doesn't happen

overnight. Altho i dont have an example of a whale like land

creature im sure some species of land animals exist that share

alot of the same basic fundamental attributes of whales.

/nodao/

 

 

Whales actually had feet before they went to the ocean. They lost them

in the evolutionary change.

 

If I'm not mistaken, they were also fur covered creatures.

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oh well. im just rambling now. Its pretty well documented and agreed upon

that there was life on this planet before modern and even pre modern man.

This is evident in fossil records and pretty conclusive

"God" in any of his many personifications is a creation of man. I would be

willing to bet my testicles, my dick, and any money that i may in the future

earn that a T-Rex had no concept or awareness of a man wearing a robe

and a crown of thorns turning water to wine. So how does one figure that god

(any god) who is represented as being human created the earth if the earth

had already existed for tens upon tens of thousands of years

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oh well. im just rambling now. Its pretty well documented and agreed upon

that there was life on this planet before modern and even pre modern man.

This is evident in fossil records and pretty conclusive

"God" in any of his many personifications is a creation of man. I would be

willing to bet my testicles, my dick, and any money that i may in the future

earn that a T-Rex had no concept or awareness of a man wearing a robe

and a crown of thorns turning water to wine. So how does one figure that god

(any god) who is represented as being human created the earth if the earth

had already existed for tens upon tens of thousands of years

 

 

Why would you have to personify a creator? Also, why would any intelligent

person think that the stories in the Bible were all truth and not parables meant

to teach us something?

 

You sound as though you have a preconception of what you think religion is about

without fully investigating.

 

Keep in mind that I'm not a Christian but I am spiritual and I do believe in a creator.

Whether it was that tiny spark of energy that exploded into everything that is (which is

scientific theory of the creation of the universe), or a deity who is personified as the

finger wagging benevolent God. (I believe the prior, but would be satisfied just the same

with the latter)

 

I happen to believe that the universal creator is behind the intricate dance of molecules,

protons, neutrons, etc. and is evidenced by the complex mathematics seen in every

piece of matter in existence.

 

Remember this: energy can never be created or killed. It always is.

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so does this mean that because im cool with gays getting married,and also love guns.that im twice as smart as the rest of you jackoffs?

 

 

 

I'm cool with gays getting married and also love guns, yet I consider myself a liberal.

 

I guess that makes me smarter than all of you.

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