B_As_In_Bot Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Everyone knows about the pink donor sticker you can have put on your ID which says its okay for doctors to harvest your organs and help little billy get over his pancreatic cancer. I have a retail job and see this pink dot all day long. When you first hear about it - it does sound like a miraculous thing to do after your gone, but if you really consider what variables are at stake you may reconsider what it you think your doing. Does everyone recall what happened when California passed the mandatory minor helmet law? A lot of surgeons and medical practitioners were worried that they would lose money due to a decrease in deaths. If the only part or body that that was damaged in the event or your demise, then the rest of the body is perfect condition for harvest, and that is what so many doctors saw as their cash-cow. It's like a pick-a-part that has everything you could want at no fee to the buyer, you just stroll in, take all the parts you need and get paid to install them. Now if my memory serves me correct, the organ donor program started not too long after the helmet law was passed. Maybe you don't have a problem supporting people with an education in medicine, maybe you're pro-donor, that's good - I hope you that your also pro-poverty and pro-crime as well. Picture yourself having a good one when you suddenly your vehicle is struck by a semi truck, decapitating you instantly. The ambulance takes you to the room with the vultures/doctors who wait for your precious organs to arrive on their operating table. Once they are done getting all the goods your ransacked carcass is wheeled into an incinerator or what not. The next step in the process is locating a worthy candidate for whatever healthy organs they got from you. Once the recipient is selected, a transplant takes place and that is where the bucks start rolling in. Lets say that new pancreas turns out to not be such a great match for billy the cancer boy, 2 years later he just croaks. Well, billy's parents never had insurance that was worth a damn, and they wont be out of debt until they reach the ripe age of 104. Well, lets say billy parents are blessed with another baby they bring into the world a year later, because they dont believe in contraception. By the time that baby turns 15 or 16 the family is nearly living on the streets and that kid is hustling crack to feed himself and his now diabetic mother. Doctors tried to get hooked on all the popular drugs before I was 12, Now all I think they were doing was making up some BS problem and treated it with some half ass solution, that would cost a pretty penny or 2. I want somebody to defend these vultures..please defend these scavengers, these gross rippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 You ever think that there just might be some pretty cool doctors out there? You ever consider what you'll do if you or someone close to you needs a doctor? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Von Counterculture Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Xanax run out? Unless your on a spiritual 'I'ma need these with me to survive Hades' tip, why the fuck would you be against organ donation? Rename this thread "I have doctor issues stemming from my childhood." Doctors get money and by the sounds of it you resent them for it. Thanks for the expose, you are much better than dateline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Funny thing about what bot is saying, there have been articles about hospitals letting organ donors die on purpose so they can make money. I'm guessing it doesn't happen all the time. People who aspire to become doctors seem to have a need to help people. That makes me feel better about it. I've had a bad doctor once in my life. One other saved my vision when I was a toddler and another saved my nieces life when she was diagnosed with something called moya moya. I'm quite thankful for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have the donor dot. I don't really care what happens to my body after I'm dead...just make sure that I'm dead before you do it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Okay. Its obvious Ive been f'd over by 2 or 3 quacks. Ill cop to that - no big deal, I know to stay away from these people money grubbers. If you recall how the profession of "helping people" originally began, I remember being told by a historian that the Original medics and people who put their life on the line to save others did it out of the goodness of their heart, their reward was seeing that person live awhile longer thanks to their skillful knowledge of the body. Dentistry is nothing new, early man was performing such tasks since the beginning, do you think those people sought out the their friends or patients who came to them in pain for retribution, for the services performed? Perhaps they were given a meal or some clothes or supplies, whatever could be spared at the time to help them get back to their habitat comfortably. Who here honestly denies that the financial banking systems haven't tampered with the medical profession in any way or form? The insurance companies don't have your back on this one. When I went to see my provider last - they had an assortment of tricks up their sleeve like overcharging me for my records and not giving me my records in the time they were supposed to, and then they dupe me into taking these extremley messed up Anti- inflammatories that were not effective, but actually weakend my stomach to a greater degree, I used to eat and drink whatever I felt like aside from Meat and coca cola, after a month of being on this drug I found myself waking up in the morning with the dry heaves and bile. NEVER IN ALL OF MY LIFE HAVE I EVER WOKEN UP IN THIS WAY, untill I put my trust into this pseudo-expert who knows whats good for the body, and more importantly his pocket. When these doctor people lose sight of their primary initial goal to help others, and are blinded by greed they turn to hurting others. You dont have to take my word for it: "Trust Your Mechanic" TV invents a disease You think you have So you buy our drugs And soon you depend on them Pain is in your mind Gotcha comin' back for more Again and again and again and again Gonna rip you off Rip you off Doctor says you need surgery now Feelin' good 'til the side effects Fuck up something else You're ensnared by the medicine man Paying up the ass Again and again Gonna rip you off Trust your mechanic to mend your car Bring it in to his garage He tightens and loosens a few spare parts One thing's fixed, another falls apart AND THE RICH CHEAT YOU A magazine says your face don't look quite right Unless you wear our brand new wonder creme tonight Never look right again Unless you grease your skin Again and again and again and again Gonna rip you off Told you're depressed So of course you see the psychiatrist Right when you hit your neuroses' roots He confuses you He fucks your head up worse Gotcha feeling helpless You're comin' back for more Again and again Gonna rip you off Rip you off Trust your mechanic To make you well You're seeing an awful lot of him now The quicker he makes your life fall apart The more money you put in his pockets Trust your mechanic To plug your holes Trust him to make more Somewhere else Trust your mechanic He'll always come through And rip you off J. Biafra for more information listen to his spoken word piece on "experts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanshore Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 why am i suddenly subscribed to this thread when i've never seen it before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 "I want somebody to defend these vultures..please defend these scavengers, these gross rippers." so you are against organ transplants or people voluntarily donating organs after their death? seriously? i share your overall view of doctors. i dont really care for them. i mean they are so scared of getting sued because the govt wont allow freedom of consenting adults to contract however they want... so you go in for a hang nail and they are giving you a CT scan and an MRI so you dont die of a brain tumor after they checked you out. but your argument blaming doctors for crime and poverty is just silly. its more silly than the freakonomics argument about abortions solve crime. i guess we should just take this to its logical conclusion and shoot everyone statistically shown to be prone to crime. all black and latino 22.6 year old 5'8" males..... gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 I think you may have overlooked 2 basic elements within the argument, please see my flip chart/sketch for a thorough comprehension. Excuse the grammatical errors made at the beginning, I get lazy and do not bother proofreading it until its too late. see here: http://api.ning.com/files/BMvqS0Xi8W43GEIWe02YrjfFjYEZQcOXINrU*mxup7m2wscAWHROEtmuVF5ljpGZwa9QYvh-r5MWQUjYfl7Xk8cj-SvYLnYG/Picture.jpg?width=737&height=414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORCA Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 this is retarded why am i responding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I don't blame Doctors for being worried about being sued, it is a fucking stupid culture that has been breed in America that people sue for the most pointless useless shit, and criticising the doctors for being money grabbing is pointleses as well, your whole system of healthcare in America is driven on profit and profit alone. What makes your comments so hilarious is that you went to your health provider and expected them to help you, they are the problem, they run the system, of course they aren't going to help you, it isn't in their interest, you are requiring treatment that will come out of their bottom line. I feel your anger at doctors is misguided, it is the system that is the problem NOT the people that work in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I don't blame Doctors for being worried about being sued, it is a fucking stupid culture that has been breed in America that people sue for the most pointless useless shit, and criticising the doctors for being money grabbing is pointleses as well, your whole system of healthcare in America is driven on profit and profit alone. im not sure who you are really directing this too, but i think atleast the first part of your post (above) is directed at me. not sure though there is nothing at all wrong with doctors making money and profiting off sickness. why shouldnt they? they are highly trained. they are highly educated and should be paid accordingly. if it were easy everyone would be a brain surgeon. they 'profit' off the sick in the same sense that restaurants and grocery stores 'profit' off the hungry. in fact, with no profit motive, as in socialized systems, there is no incentive at all to provide good service. that is atleast one thing the corporate health system in america has going for it. you are right as far as people suing to dumb stuff. but you have to look at why its done. why do doctors perform CT scans when you go in for a stubbed toe? because of malpractice cases. why? because the government wont allow the freedom to contract. they have decided that its ok to sue a doctor if a person comes in for a stubbed toe and the next day they have a heart attack. this is another reason why healthcare is so high. for instance an average well paid doctor might gross 750K a year. he might have to pay 300K in malpractice insurance. and then he pays his nurses and staff. he might walk away with 200K by the time its over with. consumers ultimately end of paying for the malpractice insurance because its built into the price. if the govt allowed the freedom of consenting adults to contract freely... situations like this might come about: guy goes into doc for operation. doc says its $20K for operation fully guaranteed and insured, etc. its $1K if you agree to not sue me if i leave my scissors in your stomach. i'll take the scissors out for free, but you just cant sue me. which service would you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 no none of it was directed at you AOD, it was aimed at the sueing culture in america. As for your second comment about a doctor doing a CT for a stubbed toe, you blame the government?? that is ridiculous, I have never heard something so laughable. You seem to blame everything on government, man I know that it isn't perfect but I'm sorry that is nothing to do with government. What should happen is you go to the doctor, he says you have to have your appendix out otherwise it may burst, no money changes hands, because the doctor is already getting paid for his job, the individual doctor does not have to pay the nurses because they are already being paid for their job. If the doctor actually does something wrong then a malpractise investigation will need to be done, if it is found that he has not been doing somethign right, he gets struck off and is no longer allowed to practise medicine. Even in private hospitals in the UK, the nurses and everyone are empoyed by the hospital not the doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_As_In_Bot Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 What makes your comments so hilarious is that you went to your health provider and expected them to help you. The funnier bit relates to the fact that I wasn't actually seeking any medical help whatsoever, I only requested my medical files from them, and their office people lied to me 4 times in a row about how this particular person who deals with record keeping was still on vacation, but when I show up with a paralegal I get what I ask for, and I get charged significantly less then they had originally mentioned. It turns out the particular specialists I were seeing had been served with court papers several times in the passed for similar things, just overall bad business practice. Im curious as to how many donors out there have tar lung. Smokers and donors must share similar philosophies on dieing, seeing as they both subconsciously realize the fact that they are putting their lives into jeopardy, and have no interest in living. If people are this stupid, and fall for this kind or bull crap on a regular basis I'm going to market a product and get rich on it. Imagine this: A pill formed implant which in turn activates a chemical reaction that completely dissolves your remains into a pile a brown odorless sludge, upon death. Just think of the money you will be saving on funeral costs!! I think the name should be something along the lines of "Econodeath" That is the other part I never quite got about people after they die, why do we find it okay to mourn them and pay for all these completely stupid pointless services. Isnt that just like a ginormous F-You to the person that dies? Its like you never wanted to shell over that money for their birthdays, but when they die and leave forever you will go broke making sure they have "decent funeral" .. What in god's name for? People show up and reflect on your boring lives that you shared, and people get depressed..that is what a birthday should be like, vice versa. That dead person is the only lucky body at the event because they don't have put up with that nonsense traditional values crap. Its the same thing as hosting a farewell party for someone a day after they go and having their people show up to talk about your going away. They might as well be talkin' ish on you..:mad: Why does everyone want to die in the same way, or be born in same way? this type of surrounding environment we live in, from the cradle to grave - tells us how to come in this world and where/how to leave this world, and all the while between you will be told where to eat, what to drink,what to spend,w hat to worry about, how to keep warm, how to keep cool and how to behave properly. Why do we as human beings find it okay to domesticate our own species to the benefit of a small percent of people sitting at the top, mocking us for being soulless idiotic lemming-like creatures? I think it just goes to show that if you run with the rest of the herd you going to step in some shit, or fall off cliff in the way that natives first starting hunting buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 no none of it was directed at you AOD, it was aimed at the sueing culture in america. sorry then. i thought your comments were a response to my comments. As for your second comment about a doctor doing a CT for a stubbed toe, you blame the government?? that is ridiculous, I have never heard something so laughable. You seem to blame everything on government, man I know that it isn't perfect but I'm sorry that is nothing to do with government. there is nothing to laugh about. its truth. i guess you dont understand at all how the american medical system works. in america, there is the AMA. its basically a state (govt) merged doctors union. they set standards of how things should work and the govt enforces them. the courts have found that doctors are responsible for the patient with the stubbed toe who has a heart attack the day after he left the doctors office. which is why malpractice insurance is so expensive which is why medical costs are high. so yes, since the govt doesnt allow freedom to contract, they are essentially at fault. in a free market there would be expensive services fully backed by malpractice insurance and there would be cheap services outlined in contracts between consenting adults like i described in my previous post. your choice. it works like this in the car repair industry. the sector of the economy i am most familiar with. an auto tech isnt much different than a doctor. he diagnoses the patient and fixes the problem. for instance... some shops like dealerships offer 200 point checks with service work and they let you know what is going on, just like the doctor doing the CT scan for the stubbed toe. that way their ass is covered if you leave the lot and your water pump bearing flies apart. smaller, cheaper independent shops might not have this sort of warranty. take tire repairs. a tire store will fix your tire 100% correct and you pay accordingly. a dirty crappy junk yard type shop will throw a plug in your side wall without thinking about it, but will tell you...'hey, this thing might blow out, but i can plug it for 5$ and then its your baby... we arent liable.' What should happen is you go to the doctor, he says you have to have your appendix out otherwise it may burst, no money changes hands, because the doctor is already getting paid for his job, the individual doctor does not have to pay the nurses because they are already being paid for their job. If the doctor actually does something wrong then a malpractise investigation will need to be done, if it is found that he has not been doing somethign right, he gets struck off and is no longer allowed to practise medicine. a socialized system is a very economically inefficient way of organizing the economy. for instance according to frasier institute stats in the canadian system... the average wait time for medical service is 22 weeks. when ever govt installs a 'price control' as in the case of 'free' healthcare' (economics 101 lesson, there is no such thing as a free lunch) you get a shortage. in this case the result is long queue's. Even in private hospitals in the UK, the nurses and everyone are empoyed by the hospital not the doctor. im not sure how most nurses are paid in the US at a hospital, im sure its by the hospital as well. this is besides the point. the point i was making was for a doctor with his own practice and was just an example. the main point was that malpractice insurance is super expensive and a doctor needs it to practice medicine and this results as a partial cause of high medical prices. the whole 'crisis' in medical care is the high price which is due to a multitude of govt regulations, the ama, restrictions on entry, taxes, incentives for the employer health insurance apparatus, etc. if the price was cheap, there would be no healthcare crisis. this is the part no one can figure out. there is no food crisis and food is much more important than healthcare. the reason we dont have food insurance is because food is cheap and everyone can afford it. if you lower the price of healthcare, no more crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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