Fist 666 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 some of us just don't give a shit about dpi or hd. the history is captured on my tape just fine for me. people who are genuinely interested in the history of graffiti will take it for what it is. if they can't be bothered by non-hd quality, then fuck 'em anyhow. and 500k? sorry, thats fucking absurd. wait 2 years and it will be 10x cheaper. (based on nothing more than my experience with the cost of everything) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 yeah i wont be surprised if paint/graff companies end up paying a majority of the 500k. i would throw in but im dirt broke right now. but it wouldnt be more than $30. having it on HD and all would be great. but unless they are releasing that whole 69 hours of footage i dont really see what the big hoopla around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 $500,000 is really not a lot of money if people from all around the world would donate. Im sure they would gather up the money in no time without this film alot of peoples graffiti career would have never taken off That's what I'm saying. It's not even just writers that this shit influenced. You're talking about a whole bunch of people who saw this shit on PBS and got psyched on what was going on. I think I was like 8 when this came on PBS. I had no idea about hip hop at the time. I remember watching 3-2-1 contact and seeing a commercial for Style Wars, "Tonight at 7pm: Style Wars, the blah blah blah blah." I remember watching it with my parents, and them talking about how dangerous NYC was and all that junk. But as a kid I was just amped on the trains and break dancing. If anything, that was my first introduction to hip hop and it stuck. A few years later "Yo Mtv Raps!" dropped and it was on from there. So yeah, Style Wars is important to more than just writers and for more reasons then just teaching kids how to "Cap" someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 and 500k? sorry, thats fucking absurd. wait 2 years and it will be 10x cheaper. (based on nothing more than my experience with the cost of everything) In a few years it will cost more and be less effective because the film don't stop deteriorating and gets more expensive to restore the worse it is. The cost isn't just digitizing it, it's the labor intense process of cleaning it up and restoring it frame by frame. This isn't just about transferring to HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 having it on HD and all would be great. but unless they are releasing that whole 69 hours of footage i dont really see what the big hoopla around it. I'm pretty sure it's to preserve the footage for historical purposes and not so much commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 In a few years it will cost more and be less effective because the film don't stop deteriorating and gets more expensive to restore the worse it is. The cost isn't just digitizing it, it's the labor intense process of cleaning it up and restoring it frame by frame. This isn't just about transferring to HD. Yeah the process is a lot more in depth than just: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 hmm. well i didn't know any of that mercer, but still i don't see the necessity. i agree though, if everyone it influenced gave a couple bucks it would come together quickly, however graffiti kids are idiots and that will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocodile Tears Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 That's what I'm saying. It's not even just writers that this shit influenced. You're talking about a whole bunch of people who saw this shit on PBS and got psyched on what was going on. I think I was like 8 when this came on PBS. I had no idea about hip hop at the time. I remember watching 3-2-1 contact contact and seeing a commercial for Style Wars, "Tonight at 7pm: Style Wars, the blah blah blah blah." I remember watching it with my parents, and them talking about how dangerous NYC was and all that junk. But as a kid I was just amped on the trains and break dancing. If anything, that was my first introduction to hip hop and it stuck. A few years later "Yo Mtv Raps!" dropped and it was on from there. So yeah, Style Wars is important to more than just writers and for more reasons then just teaching kids how to "Cap" someone. i was thinking the same thing. even if i had absolutely nothing to do with graffiti i would love this film. its still a timeless documentary, i spoke to an ex-gfs father about it, dude was an architect, and loved the film. i was going to buy a light table a few years ago and sure enough the film came up in conversation, while i was haggling, its respected outside the context of rapletters. if you know nothing or care nothing of graffiti this is still a great piece of work that captured NYC in its heydey. its bigger then just hiphop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 if you know nothing or care nothing of graffiti this is still a great piece of work that captured NYC in its heydey. EXACTLY! It's like "Downtown 81" or "80 blocks from Tiffany's." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papi Drew It Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I love the movie. I remember catching it as a little kid on PBS with my dad when it first came out...I know the movie by heart through and through and own both the VHS and DVD that being said I dont see myself sending them any money for this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I have no money to send them so my pocket ain't what they're hoping to reach. But I do see the good in all of this. I think they should get people from that era to throw down some work, then sell it on the site. Put that money back into the piggy bank, then get more work to sell. Have Cap do some throws on paper and sell them. Sell some old blackbook pages for good money or prints of Henry's photos. I think that stuff would generate some buzz and get some money flowing in for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AronOne Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 3-2-1 contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 You know it. Fucking Bloodhound Gang was what that show was all about. I loved that shit. They've got a couple episodes on Youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__ __ __ __ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 they really dont got 500000 from sales? come on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMad.GIF Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 its the complete film set that they are seeking to preserve, just the 70 minute end print would cost like 500$ to digitize... but digitizing & preserrving/processing/storage of 30 hours of 16MM is a good estimate at half a mil. watch fat joe come and spot the bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 My hamilton says "ok!" You guys just need 50000000000000000000 more donations. Maybe less. Im bad at math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soul vice Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I would send in cash if I wasn't broke/in debt, and I haven't even seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLICKCLACKONER Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I guess me being older and a lot less passionate about graffiti makes me notwant to donate. Hell, I haven't ventured into the graffiti section of 12oz. in a few years. The last shitty piece i did was over a decade ago. Facepalm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lil_spenty Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 rented? :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: how you gonna own blades of glory and passenger 57.. but rent style wars!!! this was a few years back, whats wrong with that? i dont own those said movies??? what? donate your fucking dollar i dont care. i'd rather donate to that than fucking haiti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 In a few years it will cost more and be less effective because the film don't stop deteriorating and gets more expensive to restore the worse it is. The cost isn't just digitizing it, it's the labor intense process of cleaning it up and restoring it frame by frame. This isn't just about transferring to HD. In ten years the original print will be 33% worse than it is now. DVD/VHS might be good enough for most of you but it's far from archival quality. But since you don't care, have fun trying to watch that 3rd-gen-recorded-from-PBS-on-a-recycled-VHS-tape copy with your grandchildren in 30 years. Earl- asking Channel Zero to do this is pointless. You're appealing to the same goofballs that talked shit on people donating money to help out Haitian folks after the earthquake. The only way you could get them to open their minds/wallets is if there was something in it for them and/or it had something to do with Gucci Mane, Xanax, or tits. However, talking to people who actually HAVE $500K might work. I'm sure if they approached the right people (The Seventh Letter, RVCA, Mark Ecko) they would get somewhere. Hell, they might even be able to get a federal grant based on cultural and historical significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocodile Tears Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 spent its all good mang, i was kidding who the fuck owns passenger 57? you know people got them suspect flicks in their collection, im guilty of a few. but style wars is one of my all time faves, regardless of my graffilthy hobby, thats just the icing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feed Yer Ego Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I guess me being older and a lot less passionate about graffiti makes me notwant to donate. Hell, I haven't ventured into the graffiti section of 12oz. in a few years. The last shitty piece i did was over a decade ago. Facepalm. a lot of ch.0 is kinda over the graff'n'dance it seems/i'd assume so i hope this thread is getting posted/sticky'd in the other forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLICKCLACKONER Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Damn you're a dick shai halud. You're posting in ch. 0 like everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KILZ FILLZ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 They should leave it as is. It's just fine all grainy. JUST. FINE. Now, if they were trying to make the wire 1080p that's a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoHuxtable.. Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 They should try contacting the Smithsonian preservation division and maybe they could subsidize the costs, or any other private or governmental preservation entity to subsidize the funding for this project. Or perhaps a more local (NY state or city) historical preservation society, as it would be more relevant. It is part of American history and should be regarded as such. That said, me personally I don't have to see it in HD. I know that's a big deal to some people, but in my opinion, what's most important is seeing it period -- experiencing the story, elements, interviews, the whole vibe, art, etc. That comes first. Being able to see CAP's sweat pores in HD I think is not as important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Damn you're a dick shai halud. You're posting in ch. 0 like everybody else. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchThe$nitch Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why not get a loan for 500k, get it into 1080p, and then sell the product. then take profits and pay off loan? i don't really understand the idea of donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoHuxtable.. Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Because they don't have to pay it back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl broclo ESQ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Earl- asking Channel Zero to do this is pointless. I wasn't asking Ch.0 to donate. I was just saying I understand the need to preserve this. A lot of people hold this movie as something monumental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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