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Israeli army admits stealing organs

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ISRAEL has admitted that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without their families' permission.

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/israeli-army-admits-stealing-organs/story-e6frev00-1225812349031

 

The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel's Abu Kabir forensic institute, Jehuda Hiss. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic, who released it because of a huge controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians to harvest their organs. Israel hotly denied the charge.

Parts of the interview were broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 TV over the weekend. In it, Hiss said: "We started to harvest corneas ... Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family."

The Channel 2 report said in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

 

 

 

 

 

In a response to the TV report, the Israeli military confirmed the practice took place. "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer," the military said in a statement quoted by Channel 2.

In the interview, Hiss described how his doctors would mask the removal of corneas from bodies. "We'd glue the eyelid shut," he said. "We wouldn't take corneas from families we knew would open the eyelids."

Many of the details in the interview first came to light in 2004, when Hiss was dismissed as head of the forensic institute because of irregularities over use of organs there. Israel's attorney-general dropped criminal charges against him, and Hiss still works as chief pathologist at the institute. He had no comment on the TV report.

Complaints against the institute, where autopsies of dead bodies are performed, at the time of Hiss's dismissal, came from relatives of Israeli soldiers and civilians as well as Palestinians. The bodies belonged to people who died from various causes, including diseases, accidents and Israeli-Palestinian violence, but there has been no evidence to back up the claim in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet that Israeli soldiers killed Palestinians for their organs. Angry Israeli officials called the report "anti-Semitic".

The academic, Nancy Sheppard-Hughes, a professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley, said she decided to make the interview public in the wake of the Aftonbladet controversy, which raised diplomatic tensions between Israel and Sweden and prompted Sweden's foreign minister to call off a visit to the Jewish state.

Sheppard-Hughes said that while Palestinians were "by a long shot" not the only ones affected by the practice in the 1990s, she felt the interview must be made public now because "the symbolism, you know, of taking skin of the population considered to be the enemy, (is) something, just in terms of its symbolic weight, that has to be reconsidered".

While insisting all organ harvesting was done with permission, Israel's health ministry told Channel 2: "The guidelines at that time were not clear." It added: "For the last 10 years, Abu Kabir has been working according to ethics and Jewish law."

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"We'd glue the eyelid shut," he said. "We wouldn't take corneas from families we knew would open the eyelids."

 

I didn't think I would be surprised by the viciousness of the Israeli government especially after Sharon admitted his intentions of starving Palestinians out of existence. This is disgusting. I do not understand how people can defend the legitimacy of Israel. Seriously, this type of stuff makes it really hard for me to think that Israel has a legitimate claim to existence.

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I agree with you completely Casek, you cannot criticise the Israeli government about anything otherwise they just brand you 'anti-semetic' or they just say you are biased because you have some degree of human feeling towards the palestinians.

 

I think it is disgraceful the shit the Israelis get away with, they should be charged under war crimes for the shit they do to the Palestinians.

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My personal feelings about this are so biased that there is no way that I can talk about this issue without being considered anti-Semitic by those that would take the stance of any criticism of Israel being as such. However, Semitic is a reference to language and the great irony is that this term has been monopolized to mean something to reflect Judaism instead of the reality that it truly encompasses Palestinians because they speak Arabic, a Semitic language.

 

Israel as a government, which I would like to make that distinction now between people and their government, is a murderous tyrannical stain on humanity. The ideals manifested of Israeli government is so removed from reality and any such relevancy of truth. It burns me up inside with such a fire I can not for the life of me completely and wholeheartedly denounce violence as a form of political action. Is this an avocation of terrorism?

 

I think that the terms of warfare and rules of engagement are so far gone that it is difficult to even make sense of what is right and wrong. In my heart and soul it is wrong no matter what to be killing people, but it is so hard for me when I know that a government that is considered legitimate by its people actively tries to exterminate a population.

 

This article, the sickest part about it, hardly surprises me. It disgusts me most of all and it just further adds to hurt and humiliation. You push people off their land, destroy farms, contaminate water, fire bomb civilian neighborhoods, bulldoze homes with families inside and force people to live like animals a reaction will happen. People do not just forget these things.

 

The Palestinian body has been exploited for decades this is just a further manifestation of it. Fuck you Israel.

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I think this is about the closest to a unanimous verdict we'll ever see in crossfire.

 

barbarous. there is no defending actions like this. I have many problems with Israel and this just goes towards everything I've said in the past. And yeah, I hate the fact that anybody who dares question the existence or practices of Israel is branded as an Anti-Semite. it makes serious discourse impossible.

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Hmm...I finding no other news agency printing this. One would think this would be more than news worthy.

 

The only thing I could find on the subject was a 2002 article written by Israel National News on All Business.

 

Abu Kabir Operating Organ Warehouse.

Publication: Israel Faxx

Date: Friday, January 4 2002

 

By IsraelNationalNews.com

 

State Attorney General

Elyakim Rubinstein ordered police to launch an investigation against Prof. Yehuda Hiss, the nation's senior pathologist and director of the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute.

 

Hiss is accused of a long list of charges from inappropriate behavior as a medical professional to criminal acts such as the illegal sale of and dealings in organs and body parts, removing organs from deceased persons without consent, and misrepresenting organs in returned bodies.

 

Allegations made against Hiss in some cases include his taking organs without consent, placing the cardboard center of toilet paper rolls and metallic rods in their place to fill the voids in the body and hide the theft of the organs.

 

A court-ordered search of the institute revealed large supplies of stored organs taken illegally from bodies. Over the past years, heads of the institute appear to have given thousands of organs for research without permission, while maintaining a "storehouse" of organs at Abu Kabir.

 

Organs belonging to soldiers killed in various circumstances were found in the institute during a surprise search this week. After consulting with Chief Chaplain Brig. Gen. Rabbi Yisrael Weiss, it was decided that in concert with the bereaved families, graves would be opened and the organs buried along with the remains of each soldier involved.

 

I see nothing more than an isolated incident involving a really sick individual not a government.

 

That and a newspaper that needs to fact check.

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Normally I would feel the same as mar, but I heard it being reported on BBC on NPR today.

 

I was sorta shocked, I just thought it was another casek tin-foil hat post, but no, def happened.

 

Didn't get to hear the full thing as I was driving to work, so I'm not sure the scale of it.

 

But it is being picked up by other media.

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Fully agreed. They need to be charged. Especially for using white phosphorous.

 

 

they wont..probably.america needs some allies in the middle east.i dont see the US ever allowing that.for that reason.

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Again, this happened in the 90's, not during the past two wars. All the reports I have read have said that the organs were taken from Israeli's and not alike. It does not seem condoned by the government as he was removed from his position even though he was allowed to stay at the hospital in a different field.

 

Complaints against the institute' date=' where autopsies of dead bodies are performed, at the time of Hiss' dismissal came from relatives of Israeli soldiers and civilians as well as Palestinians. The bodies belonged to people who died from various causes, including diseases, accidents and Israeli-Palestinian violence, but there has been no evidence to back up the claim in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet that Israeli soldiers killed Palestinians for their organs.[/quote']

 

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i think the cbc picked the story up but i know i did read this on the bbc earlier.

 

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2009/08/organ-theft-israel.html

heres a jewish blogs account.

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=104612&sectionid=351020202

heres another article, i think the domain name is .ir which is iran? so i doubt thats very reliable.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8245306.stm

and here we have Israel suing them, and clainimg it is anti-semetic blood liebels.

 

jesus, say one word about them and bnaai brith is all over your ass. im so sick of the bullshit they get away with. never do you hear jews mentioning any other holocaust victims, or anyone but themselves.

 

fuck that whole country. and the anti-semetic defence.

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i think the cbc picked the story up but i know i did read this on the bbc earlier.

 

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2009/08/organ-theft-israel.html

heres a jewish blogs account.

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=104612&sectionid=351020202

heres another article, i think the domain name is .ir which is iran? so i doubt thats very reliable.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8245306.stm

and here we have Israel suing them, and clainimg it is anti-semetic blood liebels.

 

jesus, say one word about them and bnaai brith is all over your ass. im so sick of the bullshit they get away with. never do you hear jews mentioning any other holocaust victims, or anyone but themselves.

 

fuck that whole country. and the anti-semetic defence.

 

Your first two sources are terrible a blog and .r is iran and the BBC article is fluff, I can pick it apart point by point if you want, but it seems unnecessary.

 

Honestly, I find this whole thread sad. It's based on a single event that happened over 10 years ago, involving Israelis and Palestinians alike, yet everyone keeps ignoring that in an effort to demonize Israel.

 

:nope:

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can you honestly say israel is just in all of its actions?

 

border disputes, ignoring settlement laws, the list goes on and on...

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Mar, I kinda think you're not wanting to see the shit for the patriotism towards your country,

Sorta like how Bush supporters here didn't want to see all the wrongs he was doing because they towed the party line.

 

It's really not offensive to the citizens of Israel to call the government out for wrongs. In fact, it makes us (as humans living on the planet) stronger for doing so.

 

Didn't Israel participate in the ringworm children experiment? The US funded them. Just as much to blame, imho. That's not anti Semitic is it? To call both parties out for their wrongs?

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iran[/url] and the BBC article is fluff, I can pick it apart point by point if you want, but it seems unnecessary.

 

Honestly, I find this whole thread sad. It's based on a single event that happened over 10 years ago, involving Israelis and Palestinians alike, yet everyone keeps ignoring that in an effort to demonize Israel.

 

:nope:

 

Yeah because that is the problem.

 

The whole world is antisemitic, against poor Israel.

 

Forget about the Palestinian's. I mean Israeli organs were harvested too, no bias here!

 

Wait...it also happened 10 years ago! Let's move on!

 

:rolleyes:

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^Don't put words in my mouth.

 

Mar, I kinda think you're not wanting to see the shit for the patriotism towards your country,

Sorta like how Bush supporters here didn't want to see all the wrongs he was doing because they towed the party line.

 

It's really not offensive to the citizens of Israel to call the government out for wrongs. In fact, it makes us (as humans living on the planet) stronger for doing so.

 

Didn't Israel participate in the ringworm children experiment? The US funded them. Just as much to blame, imho. That's not anti Semitic is it? To call both parties out for their wrongs?

 

It has nothing to do with Israel being my country and everything to do with spin. I don't like how this incident is being tied to the most recent altercations, the army, or that iffy Scandinavian article. Also how the articles are focusing Palestinians and not Israelis or how they play down that the government put an end to it.

 

And the Ringworm Children...Your man's a nutter.

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2007/03/ringworm_hoax.html

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^Don't put words in my mouth.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with Israel being my country and everything to do with spin. I don't like how this incident is being tied to the most recent altercations, the army, or that iffy Scandinavian article. Also how the articles are focusing Palestinians and not Israelis or how they play down that the government put an end to it.

 

And the Ringworm Children...Your man's a nutter.

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2007/03/ringworm_hoax.html

 

 

Yeah, don't listen to Barry Chamish. I couldn't remember that guys name, but knew he had done some "coverage" on that shit.

 

It really did happen, though. Just because one nutjob covers it doesn't mean it's not true.

 

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm

 

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=The+Ringworm+Children:&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

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^Don't put words in my mouth.

 

Honestly, I find this whole thread sad. It's based on a single event that happened over 10 years ago, involving Israelis and Palestinians alike, yet everyone keeps ignoring that in an effort to demonize Israel.

 

Unless I interpreted that wrong. Pretty sure you said it yourself.

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No one's knocking Israeli citizens here, but looking the other when your country/homeland fucks up is NOT patriotic.

 

I know quite a few Israelis and Palestinians, and they all agree that the people in charge on either side of the conflict don't seem to be concerned in the least with what their people want...they're too hung up on power and revenge to give a shit.

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NO DO NOT QUESTION ISRAEL. YOU ARE ANTI SEMETIC.

 

it seems like israel and its citizens just want to brush everything off, or just say move on. its not unpatriotic to question your country like casek said. i question mine all the time. but the whole anti semite thing is just way out of control. i highly doubt sweden has some anti israel agenda.

 

kind of seems silly that someone who posts on a graffiti message board is so pro government. so, do you only get up on private property or just palestinian?

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Unsure how this issue relates to the Israeli government and its legitimacy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am far from an Israel apologist, but I also think that people forget that the countries surrounding Israel are not the most innocent of sorts either.

 

Anyway, I'm not in to having an Israel discussion at all as many are emotionally charged and there is so much disinformation/media/right/leftwing hype out there that it's really hard to have an objective convo on the matter.

 

As for organ farming, I'm stating to believe that it is a much wider spread practice than we thin. Am expecting the same charges to pop up in the Middle East, Latin America, South East Asia and Africa over the next decade.

 

Ugly stuff, no matter which way you view it.

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Unsure how this issue relates to the Israeli government and its legitimacy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am far from an Israel apologist, but I also think that people forget that the countries surrounding Israel are not the most innocent of sorts either.

 

Anyway, I'm not in to having an Israel discussion at all as many are emotionally charged and there is so much disinformation/media/right/leftwing hype out there that it's really hard to have an objective convo on the matter.

 

As for organ farming, I'm stating to believe that it is a much wider spread practice than we thin. Am expecting the same charges to pop up in the Middle East, Latin America, South East Asia and Africa over the next decade.

 

Ugly stuff, no matter which way you view it.

 

 

No doubt the surrounding areas are fucked. I'm sure we all saw the Saudi Prince beating and torturing that poor guy in the desert.

 

As for organ farming, I agree. It's way more widespread than we think.

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As for organ farming, I agree. It's way more widespread than we think.

 

yeah, waaaaaay more widespread, on levels you never knew existed.

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