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I wish my company didn't deal with China. They're unethical, obviously. But they're also really hard to communicate with in English. I understand there is a language barrier but how DUMBED down do you have to make things for them to understand it. I have determined the language barrier isn't the cause, it's their unwillingness to figure things out for themselves. They are so used to being told what to do that their pro-active switch does not even exist.

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I wish my company didn't deal with China. They're unethical, obviously. But they're also really hard to communicate with in English. I understand there is a language barrier but how DUMBED down do you have to make things for them to understand it. I have determined the language barrier isn't the cause, it's their unwillingness to figure things out for themselves. They are so used to being told what to do that their pro-active switch does not even exist.

 

start communicating with them in Mandarin and see whether they are still unwilling to figure things out and lacking in proactive drive.

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start communicating with them in Mandarin and see whether they are still unwilling to figure things out and lacking in proactive drive.

 

I think you'll find it still remains.

 

The Chinese work culture is very different than ours. Most Chinese people who have studied or worked overseas will have the same criticisms of Chinese work culture. Employment is more important than productivity here and criticism is not accepted. Workplaces run on personal patronage rather than quality of output.

 

Chinese education system is a rote leaning system, there is no critical analysis or even questioning as to "why" encouraged. That then reverberates in to the work place were people merely want to tick their boxes and collect their pay. Entrepreneurs are a different kettle of fish, of course. But dealing with average employees can be a very frustrating experience for foreigners and Chinese alike. The locals complain about it but then replicate the behaviour themselves. Self criticism was superficial during the communist period and is all but absent now.

 

Give it another 2 generations flowing through the work force and it will more than likely change though. Competition in the market place will pick up, the banks will stop politically motivated lending and the SOEs will continue to shrink........, we hope!!

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start communicating with them in Mandarin and see whether they are still unwilling to figure things out and lacking in proactive drive.

 

I don't get paid enough as it is, I'm not learning mandarin or any dialect of Chinese on my dime. I have a father who speaks Czech and so I'm pretty good with languages, although I don't speak it fluently. If for any reason I actually did learn Chinese...my company would use me for way more than they already do.

 

I think you'll find it still remains.

 

The Chinese work culture is very different than ours. Most Chinese people who have studied or worked overseas will have the same criticisms of Chinese work culture. Employment is more important than productivity here and criticism is not accepted. Workplaces run on personal patronage rather than quality of output.

 

Chinese education system is a rote leaning system, there is no critical analysis or even questioning as to "why" encouraged. That then reverberates in to the work place were people merely want to tick their boxes and collect their pay. Entrepreneurs are a different kettle of fish, of course. But dealing with average employees can be a very frustrating experience for foreigners and Chinese alike. The locals complain about it but then replicate the behaviour themselves. Self criticism was superficial during the communist period and is all but absent now.

 

Give it another 2 generations flowing through the work force and it will more than likely change though. Competition in the market place will pick up, the banks will stop politically motivated lending and the SOEs will continue to shrink........, we hope!!

 

One of the execs went over to China and remarked at how depressed the Chinese people look. In addition to the points you've made, do you also think their quality of life has an effect on their workmanship?

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i dont understand why you would want to live in China

For an american I could see the state induced mentality

to be frustrating at the very least. I mean to come from a

place where free speech and free though is acceptable and

encouraged and to go somewhere where these concepts are foriegn

and discouraged and well... somewhat dangerous.. I just

dont know if i could handle that. China sounds like a

nightmare. In order to get me to live in china someone would

have to pay me a shit load of money

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I'm not an American but I do come from a country with the same concepts and constitutional basis.

 

It's not as screwed up as you think. Put it this way, I'm posting all these opinions from the heart of China, a 10 minute cab ride from Tiananmen Square. 99% of the articles I've posted in this thread come from govt run Chinese websites.

 

It's not so much state induced mentality as it is the Wild West with a bunch of corrupt cunts keeping themselves in power. The only ideology here now is power, they just hide behind socialism and nationalism. And that is also slowly changing for the better as well. Whilst I bitch and whinge about this place all the time, it has pulled 300+ million people out of poverty in 30 years. No other country has done that.

 

But yeah, Beijing aint so hot, I'd prefer other cities in China. And, I am planning to move back home in the future. I may not get paid a huge sum, but I do love my job and I do love being in a land where there a hundreds of millions of slim, attractive women that think white guys like me are exciting and exotic.....

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One of the execs went over to China and remarked at how depressed the Chinese people look. In addition to the points you've made, do you also think their quality of life has an effect on their workmanship?

 

They are an inherently pessimistic and dramatic people, really!

 

Not so much quality of life as some of them think this is the greatest place on earth. There are more fucking BMWs, Audis, Porsches, Benzs, etc. rolling around the streets here than I've seen in any other city (been to over 30 countries), so life for a lot of people aint so bad..., especially for those in positions of or connected to power.

 

The problem is lack of opportunity for advancement. The waitress in the restaurant will only ever be a waitress. Without education here you are TOTALLY fucked. There is also no tip or bonus system here so there is no reason to do more than the bare minimum. It's also a very hierarchical and vain society for the most part. Every body here wants to look important so they take every opportunity they can to treat others like shit.

 

The uneducated guy from butt fuck Guizhou province getting yelled at and abused on the construction site will at night yell at and abuse the waitress in the restaurant. they never miss a chance to put some one else down. It's not all like that, I saw some wonderful care and generosity when I took my girl to the hospital the other day. Sure as fuck not from the god damned staff there...., CUNTSS!!!! But the other people waiting all let us go first because Monkey Girl was visibly in pain and they were having check ups, etc. So, it's not all bad, you just get jaded real quick here because it is a culturally brutal environment.

 

That may be a reason as to why your colleague thought people were miserable. But there is an emerging middle class who's lives are improving rapidly, they are modernising and shedding this kind of destructive behaviour. I've met some of the most wonderful people here that really brighten me up.

 

Take my friend Wu Qi, for example. Man is a mountain of jolly Chinese booze drinking muscle!!

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I think you'll find it still remains.

 

The Chinese work culture is very different than ours. Most Chinese people who have studied or worked overseas will have the same criticisms of Chinese work culture. Employment is more important than productivity here and criticism is not accepted. Workplaces run on personal patronage rather than quality of output.

 

Chinese education system is a rote leaning system, there is no critical analysis or even questioning as to "why" encouraged. That then reverberates in to the work place were people merely want to tick their boxes and collect their pay. Entrepreneurs are a different kettle of fish, of course. But dealing with average employees can be a very frustrating experience for foreigners and Chinese alike. The locals complain about it but then replicate the behaviour themselves. Self criticism was superficial during the communist period and is all but absent now.

 

Give it another 2 generations flowing through the work force and it will more than likely change though. Competition in the market place will pick up, the banks will stop politically motivated lending and the SOEs will continue to shrink........, we hope!!

 

I hope what you say comes to fruitition! It's sad because the people that prosper in China are only "chosen ones who are still imperialistic" even though they claim their leader is "voted" in.,

 

Hope it happens soon as possible...

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They are an inherently pessimistic and dramatic people, really!

 

Not so much quality of life as some of them think this is the greatest place on earth. There are more fucking BMWs, Audis, Porsches, Benzs, etc. rolling around the streets here than I've seen in any other city (been to over 30 countries), so life for a lot of people aint so bad..., especially for those in positions of or connected to power.

 

The problem is lack of opportunity for advancement. The waitress in the restaurant will only ever be a waitress. Without education here you are TOTALLY fucked. There is also no tip or bonus system here so there is no reason to do more than the bare minimum. It's also a very hierarchical and vain society for the most part. Every body here wants to look important so they take every opportunity they can to treat others like shit.

 

The uneducated guy from butt fuck Guizhou province getting yelled at and abused on the construction site will at night yell at and abuse the waitress in the restaurant. they never miss a chance to put some one else down. It's not all like that, I saw some wonderful care and generosity when I took my girl to the hospital the other day. Sure as fuck not from the god damned staff there...., CUNTSS!!!! But the other people waiting all let us go first because Monkey Girl was visibly in pain and they were having check ups, etc. So, it's not all bad, you just get jaded real quick here because it is a culturally brutal environment.

 

That may be a reason as to why your colleague thought people were miserable. But there is an emerging middle class who's lives are improving rapidly, they are modernising and shedding this kind of destructive behaviour. I've met some of the most wonderful people here that really brighten me up.

 

Take my friend Wu Qi, for example. Man is a mountain of jolly Chinese booze drinking muscle!!

 

^^ IS THAT GUY FROM STREET FIGHTER??? LOLZ

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They are an inherently pessimistic and dramatic people, really!

 

There is also no tip or bonus system here so there is no reason to do more than the bare minimum.

Sounds like a lot of America.

 

Every body here wants to look important so they take every opportunity they can to treat others like shit.

This too

 

The uneducated guy from butt fuck Guizhou province getting yelled at and abused on the construction site will at night yell at and abuse the waitress in the restaurant. they never miss a chance to put some one else down.

Especially this

 

That may be a reason as to why your colleague thought people were miserable. But there is an emerging middle class who's lives are improving rapidly, they are modernising and shedding this kind of destructive behaviour. I've met some of the most wonderful people here that really brighten me up.

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Glad to know it isn't all bad

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the people that prosper in China are only "chosen ones who are still imperialistic"

 

That's simply not true.

 

There are over 300 million middle class in China. Are you saying that around 25% of the country are "chosen ones"?

 

Your views of China are totally skewed and sound like those of a religious fanatic, going by your last few responses. Plus, Godzilla is from Japanese culture, not Chinese.

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I do love being in a land where there a hundreds of millions of slim, attractive women that think white guys like me are exciting and exotic.....

 

I KNEW IT. ahahhahahahahahha. I suppose you have gotten used

the concept of to massive bush by now and if some chinese dude trys

to nut up because you are fucking his girlfriend all you got to do is

give him a half thumb up

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That's simply not true.

 

There are over 300 million middle class in China. Are you saying that around 25% of the country are "chosen ones"?

 

Your views of China are totally skewed and sound like those of a religious fanatic, going by your last few responses. Plus, Godzilla is from Japanese culture, not Chinese.

 

Hey Christo! Hope you not mad I was simply trying add a lil humor that's all. I know Godzilla is Japanese!

 

No I'm not religious but don't the Chinese persecute the people in Tibet???

 

You have to admit though so many are born into "privelidgedom" just like in India. They do this still or used to do this with sports as well. Russians do the same thing.

 

China is a communist nation and people just don't rise to the top on their own over there!

 

Am I wrong on this?

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dude people are born into privilege in every country in the world. Your last president became the most powerful man in the world thanks to daddy. You think someone as dumb and uninspired as George W Bush is going to rise to the very top in a totally egalitarian society? get real.

 

You obviously haven't been reading anything that has been said in this thread, go read the communist manifesto, then study the structure of chinese social and economic systems. You will learn that it is not communism, more like a totalitarian state capitalist system.

 

younguns like yourself should try to absorb what is being discussed here for your own benefit before throwing in nonsensical and poorly thought out opinions.

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dude people are born into privilege in every country in the world. Your last president became the most powerful man in the world thanks to daddy. You think someone as dumb and uninspired as George W Bush is going to rise to the very top in a totally egalitarian society? get real.

 

You obviously haven't been reading anything that has been said in this thread, go read the communist manifesto, then study the structure of chinese social and economic systems. You will learn that it is not communism, more like a totalitarian state capitalist system.

 

younguns like yourself should try to absorb what is being discussed here for your own benefit before throwing in nonsensical and poorly thought out opinions.

 

Your analysis is right and wrong! Perfect example: The leader of North Korea.

I know people are born into priviledge in every country. No need to attack dude!

If you angry fight the newspaper, that's the problem with todays society instead of talking and clarifying you attack like a mad dog!

 

I asked a question ergo the last sentence duoh.. NO you get real! Don't be angry!

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sorry what does kim jong il have to do with what I said about China?

If you know people are born into privelage in every country why use that point to attack chinese society in particular?

I read good the guardian it's a fine newspaper

anything else?

 

First off you were angry for no good reason.. 2nd I am not attacking any one!!! Please point me to where I attacked someone!

 

3rd: This is a communist country which is similar to North Korea: Unless you are in denial certain classes of people are priviledged. In these countries they: the gov't tells you what to do and what you will become. They want you be a basketball player then that is what you will become, they want you to work in a factory forever then this is what you will do. It is Communism! They control your future and your very way of life.

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Alright, now I'm getting angry because you're fucking my thread with ignorant shit.

 

Your analysis of China and DPRK is totally wrong. Simple as that. I'm not going to explain to you why, just go back and read this thread, all of it. Simple to say that China and DPRK are NOT communist countries for the basic fact that there is private ownership and free enterprise. Dprk less so, but it is there. Nobody tells you what you have to be in either country. That stopped in China around 40 years ago.

 

 

Seriously, please just go back and read this thread all the way through before you post another comment. This is a really enjoyable thread and I'd like to keep it that way.

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The People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as China, is a country in East Asia. It is the most populous state in the world with over 1.3 billion people, about one in five humans. China is ruled by the Communist Party of China under a single-party system,[12] and has jurisdiction over 22 provinces, five autonomous regions, four directly administered municipalities (Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Chongqing), and two highly autonomous[13] special administrative regions (SARs) (Hong Kong and Macau). The PRC's capital is Beijing.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China

 

I Have no idea why you are so mad.. I don't know what planet you are from either .. You from Earth???? China is a communist nation. What exactly are you mad about?

 

It's obvious that the entire world knows China is communist except for you!

 

How old are you people? People have major meltdowns over nothing at all.

 

Forums are public they are not owned by a single individual.

 

Anyways I'm done on here, I can't believe how childish it is.

 

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The fact that you get your education from Wikipedia tells all.

 

China was a Communist country until 1980 when it opened up its economy to capitalism through the province of Guangdong. Since then private owner ship has been instated. Free market principals have been adopted. Both these things are opposites to communism. In communism there is no free market, nor is there private ownership.

 

The Chinese political system is still run by the same people that it was since the 1949 communist revolution, so it is still run by a single party government directed by the Communist Party.

 

However, a political system and the name of a political party does not determine the economic and social structure of a country.

 

So, China has a single party, authoritarian government system. The party that is in charge are called the communist party due to historical reasons. They could call themselves the fucking lesbian lizard party but that doesn't mean that all the people on the street are lizards.

 

The structure of the social system is authoritarian. The economic ideology in China is capitalist (with a little bit of management from the center on things like banks).

 

 

The only thing Communist in China is the name of the PArty in charge of the government. Nothing else.

 

 

The reason why we are getting angry is because we were having a pleasant, adult like conversation with each other. Now, it's like you're standing at a bar having a chat with your mates and some drunk 17 year old loud mouth turns up who can't handle his booze and dribbles silly shit in order to try and look cool.

 

It's annoying, but I don't expect you to understand anything I've just explained to you.

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'Four children dead' in stabbing rampage at Chinese kindergarten

4/29/2010

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7111259.ece

 

Four young children are reported to have died after a former insurance salesman slashed and stabbed his way through a kindergarten in southern China, in the second such attack in as many days.

 

The well-regarded Caijing magazine said that four children were killed in this morning's s attack. Officials declined to comment.

 

The man stabbed 28 children as well as a teacher, a security guard and a school volunteer who tried to protect the terrified four-year-olds.

 

Coming less than 24 hours after a mentally ill former teacher hacked at 15 pupils and a teacher in a southern China primary school, the attack has sparked nationwide outrage and heartsearching about why children have become targets.

 

Officials said that Xu Yuyuan, 47, broke into a classroom at the nursery school in Taixing city in southeastern Jiangsu province at about 9.40am today and attacked the children with a 20cm (9in) knife.

 

A photograph from the scene showed blood spattered across the school steps — presumably as the wounded were rushed to hospital.

 

A staff member at the Taixing No 1 People’s Hospital said that some of the wounded were being treated there. He said: “The injured have been sent here one after another. The doctors are now trying their best to save them.”

 

Five of the children were in critical condition in hospital in Jiangsu province, said Zhu Guiming, an official with the propaganda department in Taixing city. However, officials told state media that no deaths had been reported and the condition of the most badly hurt was stabilising.

 

Police have arrested Mr Xu, who was described as unemployed after having worked for a local insurance company until 2001.

 

Yesterday a 33-year-old man with a history of mental illness rushed into classrooms at the Leizhou primary school in southern Guangdong province, brandishing a knife about a foot long. He injured 16 children and a teacher, stabbing them in the back arms and head. None of the victims was reported to be in serious condition.

 

The man then made his way to a top-floor balcony, from which threatened to throw himself off, before being arrested.

 

Several schools across China have been the subject of similar attacks in recent yeas, provoking anger from parents and the meda.

 

Hours before the primary school attack, state media announced the execution of a former medical worker who stabbed to death eight children on March 23 as they waited for the gates to open for morning classes at their school in eastern Fujian province. Zheng Minsheng, 41, told the court that he carried had out the attack in a fit of rage after splitting from his girlfriend.

 

Across the internet, the only forum for popular discussion in China, chatrooms were filled with anger at the latest attack. One comment read: “Governments, let me ask, what crime has the next generation committed and why can criminals bring these tragedies to innocent children? I appeal to the government to save our children.” Another wrote: “Our government should pause to consider seriously just what the problem is here.”

 

One expert attributed the string of attacks on schoolchildren to increasing social problems. Zhou Xiaozheng, a sociology professor at Renmin University in Beijing, said that the choice of schoolchildren as victims could be a form of copycat phenomenon. This sort of violent attack often happened in clusters, he said.

 

“It’s like suicide, which is another type of mental health problem that can spread in a community. Normally, with these kind of violent events we hope the media won’t blow them up too much. Because that tends to make it spread.”

 

 

32 hurt in latest China school knife attack

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BEIJING (AFP) - – A jobless knife-wielding man injured 32 people, mostly young children, at a kindergarten in eastern China Thursday in the country's third school stabbing frenzy since last month.

 

All of the 29 children injured in the attack in the city of Taixing were in stable condition, a government official told AFP.

 

The alleged assailant, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan, burst into a classroom with a 20-centimetre (eight-inch) knife and started stabbing the children, most of whom were just four years old, Xinhua news agency said.

 

Two teachers and a security guard who tried to stop the attack in Jiangsu province were also hurt. A motive for the attack has not yet been reported.

 

"A total of 32 people have been injured, 29 children and three adults," the government official who gave only his surname, Zhu, told AFP by phone.

 

"Five people who were seriously injured are now in stable condition. No one has died so far."

 

Photos on Chinese websites showed dozens of people massed outside the school, many apparently parents frantically searching for their children.

 

The attack is the latest in a wave of senseless violence that underscores wrenching social change in China, where crime rates have risen steadily since the country began opening up three decades ago.

 

On Wednesday, Chen Kangbing, a 33-year-old teacher reportedly on sick leave due to mental problems, injured 15 students and a teacher in a knife attack at a primary school in the city of Leizhou in southern China's Guangdong province.

 

Reports said he was later arrested and all the injured were in stable condition.

 

That attack occurred just hours after authorities in Fujian province in the southeast executed former doctor Zheng Minsheng for stabbing to death eight children and injuring five others on March 23.

 

Zheng, 41, used a dagger to stab children in the neck, chest, stomach and back in the city of Nanping in a fit of rage and depression after a split with his girlfriend.

 

Old ills such as corruption, crime and drug abuse have re-emerged in China in the wake of a loosening of social controls paralleling the transition from a state-planned to a capitalist economy.

 

Studies also have cited a rise in mental disorders, some linked to stress as society becomes more fast-paced and old socialist supports had been scrapped.

 

A study last year estimated that 173 million adults in China have some type of mental disorder -- 91 percent of whom had never received professional help.

 

Ma Ai, a criminal psychologist at China University of Political Science and Law, said violent outbursts may be due to rising stress and the growth of the media, with children chosen as targets by angry attackers for maximum impact.

 

"In recent years, we have seen some people take extreme actions. The excessive attention of the media broadcasts their pain to a large audience, so the attackers feel they have achieved their goal," he said.

 

Besides the school attacks, a number of other multiple killings have been reported across the country in recent months.

 

Last week, state press said gay singer Zhou Youping was arrested in central China after allegedly killing six men in sado-masochistic sex games that involved hanging his victims.

 

In February, another man, Chen Ruilong, was sentenced to death in eastern Jiangxi province for murdering 13 people including three police officers over the span of more than a decade, reports said.

 

Despite the rising violence, extremely tight laws that bar virtually all private gun ownership prevent death tolls from reaching levels seen in shooting attacks in other countries.

 

 

Man admits kindergarten knife attack was "revenge" for personal problems: police

English.news.cn 2010-04-30 12:14:52 FeedbackPrintRSS

TAIXING, April 30 (Xinhua) -- A man who was detained after a knife attack on children at an east China kindergarten Thursday has told police he carried out the attack in anger at a series of business and personal humiliations, police said Friday.

 

Jiang Wenxiang, chief of the Public Security Bureau in Taixing City, Jiangsu Province, said Xu Yuyuan, 46, told police the attack was "his revenge on society."

 

Twenty-nine children and three adults were injured in the attack at Zhongxin Kindergarten in Taixing city.

 

Jiang, who is also vice mayor of Taixing, said two of the injured in the attack were still in intensive care Friday, but their conditions were stable.

 

The others were all out of danger.

 

"Most of the children received head and neck injuries," Jiang said.

 

An initial police investigation found Xu, who owned eight apartments in the downtown area, was reasonably well off, contrary to reports Thursday that he jobless.

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8 children stabbed to death at Chinese school

BEIJING – A former medical worker allegedly stabbed to death eight young children and wounded five others Tuesday in a bloody rampage outside an elementary school in eastern China.

 

The attacker struck in the morning as students arrived for classes, mingling with parents at the school gates before suddenly pulling out his knife and slashing children, according to witnesses interviewed on local television.

 

In the aftermath, doctors treated small children and bodies lay covered in bloody sheets after the attack at Nanping City Experimental Elementary School in Fujian province. Police officers manned a cordon around the school. Some comforted distraught parents.

 

China has witnessed a series of school attacks in recent years, most blamed on people with personal grudges or suffering from mental illness, leading to calls for improved security.

 

The rampage in Nanping was finally stopped by passers-by and school security guards and the attacker was arrested, the reports said. The suspect was identified as Zheng Minsheng, 41.

 

Zheng worked as a senior nurse in a community clinic before resigning last June, the official Xinhua News Agency said, citing Huang Zhongping, spokesman for the Nanping city public security bureau.

 

Zheng was known to have a history of mental illness, said a man surnamed Wu in the Nanping city government office, who would not give his full name as is common among Chinese officials.

 

An unidentified former co-worker interviewed on Fujian television said Zheng was "difficult to get along with."

 

Eight children were killed, and five were being treated at a hospital, Wu said. Six died at the scene, which was smeared with blood from the sidewalk to the floor of an inner reception room.

 

The victims' ages were not immediately known, but Chinese elementary schools typically have students ages 6 to 12.

 

The school was closed and students were sent home for the day. Counseling will be provided for students when classes resume Wednesday, Xinhua said.

 

Recent school attacks include a July 2007 assault in which a mentally ill man wielding a wrench wounded 18 children and a teacher in a kindergarten in southern China before fleeing on a motorcycle and trying to stab himself to death.

 

In June the same year, a man slashed four students, wounding one seriously, in a high school in the southeastern city of Fuzhou, while elsewhere, police shot dead a suspected mentally ill man who threatened to blow up a school in southern China with dynamite.

 

China's worst such incident in March 2001 destroyed a schoolhouse and killed at least 42 people, most of them children. Officials blamed a mentally ill man who charged into the school in Jiangxi province with a bag full of dynamite. Parents disputed that, claiming their children had been forced to make fireworks at the school.

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