christo-f Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Father allegedly kills son's teacher and himself (Xinhua) Updated: 2009-12-17 19:01 Comments(0) PrintMail HARBIN: A man is alleged to have battered his son's teacher to death with a hammer and then killed himself in northeast China's Heilongjiang Province Thursday morning. Farmer Liu Fulin battered the head of Wu Zhendong, a teacher at the No. 1 Middle School in Zhaodong City, at 7:20 a.m. on the third floor of the school building, said Zou Yanqi, the school's headmaster. Liu was later found dead in a deserted house near the school. Police suspect he hanged himself with his own belt. Wu, who had been honored as "excellent teacher" of the province, was in charge of the class of Liu's 12th-grade son. The boy had good academic scores, said Zou. He disappeared from school after the killing. Police are still investigating the deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Killer cop gets reprieve from death By Jane Chen | 2009-12-17 | ONLINE EDITION A DRUNK policeman who shot dead a driver in a dispute in southwest China's Yunnan Province has been granted leniency by the provincial higher court after a second trial. Yunnan People's Higher Court today gave a two-year reprieve to the death sentence handed down to Ji Zhongchun, 42, a police officer with Mengzi County Public Security Bureau, Xinhua news agency reported. That means Ji will evade execution if he behaves well in the reprieve period. But he still had to pay 100,000 yuan (US$14,600) compensation to the victim's family as the higher court upheld the civil penalty issued by the Intermediate People's Court of Hani-Yi Autonomous Prefecture of Honghe. The higher court offered leniency because Ji had stayed on the scene after the accident, which was regarded as surrender. Ji was backing his car while drunk on February 13 in a residential complex when Pan Jun, 40, claimed the officer had scratched his car. Pan assaulted Ji, who then pulled out his gun and shot Pan three times, the report said Read more: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=423007&type=National#ixzz0ZwfWlvI8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Child trafficker gets life sentence By Jane Chen | 2009-12-17 | NEWSPAPER EDITION A WOMAN has been sentenced to life in prison and had all her property confiscated for trafficking 10 children in southern China's Guangdong Province. Xue Binghui appealed against the verdict on Monday by the Jiangmen City Intermediate People's Court, the Southern Metropolis Daily reported yesterday. The other nine people involved in the trafficking have been jailed for between one year and 12 1/2 years. Two were granted leniency with reprieves for their minor roles, including a 73-year-old woman surnamed Feng, the newspaper said. The court said Xue, who operated a hair salon in a town in Enping City, sold 10 children from July last year to January this year. Police have rescued nine of the children, all boys from Jiangmen. Xue sold two in Guangdong's neighboring Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region on her own and traded the rest in cooperation with her nine partners, the court said. She sent the eight children to Zheng Lianxia and Zhang Jinhuai who later forwarded them to Li Yuelan, Zhen Fengnu, Liang Fanglan and Feng. Zhou Dechun and Zhan Xiufeng helped them to sell some of the children in Fujian Province, the court heard. Read more: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=422969&type=National#ixzz0Zwfu5CId Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I wonder if many more human traffickers fall through the cracks rather than get punished considering the harshness of the sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Funny how barely any of this news makes it out of china, for instance the baby and the needles, on yahoo.co.uk one of the main stories is of a brazilian toddler with 50 needles put in him, that makes front page news but none of t he chinese stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Problem with communism is that you will always have decision makers your'e simplifying there a bit. all members of the warszaw pact followed either stalinist-leninist, marxist, maoist or real-socialist doctrines which are by default totalitaristic because they support the idea of a leader or party with ultimate power. primitive communism and council communism on the other hand are democratic in nature. that being said, i find it quite interesting that the amount of corruption and felonies is so high despite the fact that the chinese authority is not exactly mincing when it comes to the application of death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 Sceptics howl over latest police story on prisoner 'suicide' Raymond Li Dec 18, 2009 What can people do with a one-yuan note on the mainland these days? Ride a bus, maybe. Eat a bowl of rice, possibly. And if Yunnan authorities can be believed, they can jimmy the lock on a pair of handcuffs - perhaps the best testament yet to the quality of made-in-China products. During a news conference on Wednesday, police in Kunming explained that a prisoner hanged himself with his shoelaces after using a one-yuan note to open his handcuffs on Saturday. Police spokesman Yao Zhihong said Xing Kun tried not once but twice to hang himself after opening the handcuffs. The surveillance camera in the police interrogation room showed him opening the handcuffs but did not capture his death, police said. Xing, 29, was detained last Friday on suspicion of stealing game consoles worth 50,000 yuan (HK$56,690) from a store. Police said he had confessed the theft before being found dead the next morning inside the room. The police account of the suspect's death set off a heated discussion on the internet, with some sceptics likening the case to the February death of Li Qiaoming while in custody, also in Yunnan. In that case, Jinning county police initially said Li, 24, had died of injuries he sustained while playing a game of hide-and-seek. That explanation lacked credibility, particularly among the online community, whose postings eventually forced provincial authorities to launch a new investigation. In the end, three prison guards and officials were sacked and the blame for Li's death was pinned on fellow cellmates. As torture in police detention centres has become one of the mainland's worst-kept secrets, the explanation of Xing's suicide swiftly set off an uproar among critics, who poked fun at Yunnan police. One online poster asked whether the note Xing used had magical powers. "A paper note can be used to open handcuffs. The conclusion Yunnan police offered has once again proved that money can do anything," another commentator wrote. Xing's father, Xing Caifang, did not accept the story either. "I could say with a bit of irony that if that's true, my son was so talented that he should have been a spy," he said. An employee of Beijing Yuanantebao Safeguard Technology, China's biggest police equipment manufacturer, told The Mirror newspaper that it was impossible to use a paper note to open handcuffs, particularly the latest generation of handcuffs. One Beijing police officer quoted by the paper said he had never heard of such a thing during his 10 years of service. Kunming police refused to give the model of the handcuffs that Xing supposedly jimmied, citing it as evidence for a possible dereliction of duty case against officers. Even the authenticity of the video was questioned, especially by Xing's family. All it shows is a man's back the entire time. An autopsy was conducted on Wednesday, but the report has not been made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
investwit.thabest Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 This thread is fucked up.. almost as much as china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hostage taker shot dead in southwest China 0 CommentsPrint E-mail Xinhua, December 21, 2009 Police have shot dead a man who took a pregnant woman hostage in southwest China's Chongqing Municipality Monday. The man, who took the woman hostage at a community on Shengli Road of Yongchuan District, was shot at around 10 a.m., after he ignored police warnings and persuasion, said a source with the municipal public security bureau on condition of anonymity. He said the woman was rescued without serious injury. The suspect was alleged to have killed someone before taking the woman hostage, the official said without elaborating. He said the motive of hostage taker was not immediately known. Yongchuan District is about an hour's drive from Chongqing's city center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Wife urges probe into official's 'suicide STAB wounds on the back of a Hunan Province vice mayor said to have jumped to his death have prompted his wife to demand an official inquiry. Yang Kuansheng, 47, vice mayor of Wugang City in Hunan Province, was found dead on November 26. His wife Liu Yuehong, who is a doctor, told today's Southern Metropolis Daily that his scars could not have been made by himself. A forensic technician said Yang was probably murdered, because he had wounds on his back, neck and left wrist as well as an injury on the back of his head and three broken ribs, an earlier report said. His wife is demanding a reinvestigation by the Supreme People's Procuratorate the newspaper reported. Police said Yang was depressed and committed suicide by jumping out of a window. He used a knife and scissors to cut his neck and wrist, and tried to electrocute himself before jumping to his death, the police said. Liu's lawyer Teng Biao also said he found three different types of bloody footprints in Yang's apartment which the police ignored. Teng added that Yang must have been in shock after bleeding so much in the apartment, and could not have climbed on to the balcony to jump. Liu told the newspaper that her husband was not depressed and had called her the night before died, saying somebody was trying to kill him. The call was cut off and she later got a short message from Yang's cell phone saying he was all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaolinmasta Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Oh fuck why did I just read all that, it seems like a lot of people over there are fucking crazy the cases with children are extremely disturbing and seem to be kind of frequent (ugh) there also seems to be a sickening trend of mass killings of close family members stuff that is unimaginable to pretty much everyone on earth. The complete disregard for the children's safety and wellbeing is fucked up and speaks volumes of how that Country is currently operating. (Even if it is corrupt as fuck you'd think people would still have a little more sense and heart than just to take the money and do the exact same shit next week). Fuck those 'Black Jails' too that shit is pretty mindblowing/detrimental to China's reputation as a whole... You'd think they'd want to fix that up. I don't get it (how people can live with themselves that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 That's the EXACT sentiment that made me post this thread. Am actually out of China right now and on holidays. So nice to take a break from it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shitting Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 and its a pretty safe assumption that any public crime will end in a conviction, full stop, regardless of guilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 your'e simplifying there a bit. all members of the warszaw pact followed either stalinist-leninist, marxist, maoist or real-socialist doctrines which are by default totalitaristic because they support the idea of a leader or party with ultimate power. primitive communism and council communism on the other hand are democratic in nature. that being said, i find it quite interesting that the amount of corruption and felonies is so high despite the fact that the chinese authority is not exactly mincing when it comes to the application of death penalty. Marxism does not support the idea of a leader or party with ultimate power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 That's the EXACT sentiment that made me post this thread. Am actually out of China right now and on holidays. So nice to take a break from it all. you back in aus homie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 Yup, sitting on the computer to avoid sitting in front of the TV with the parents. Got to do the good son bit, back up to Sydney in a couple of days. Might go paint on the legal wall in Syd Uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavaruawon Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Honestly I'm not even going to bother reading anything in this thread beyond Shai's first post. None of these so called atrocities are unique to the Chinese culture. I love the attempt at barbarizing (dehumanizing) the entire civilian population of China. Good job. Only to reiterate - What do you expect in a country of over a billion people where capital punishment is an everyday fact of life? People in China are conditioned to believe that life is cheap...and keep in mind that there's undoubtedly plenty of decent and compassionate people there, but just based on sheer numbers alone there's a higher incidence of assholes and sociopaths. I'm not saying either one is a good thing but if anyone's looking for explanations, there's a couple to consider. After all, this is the press we're talking about. They have no reservations about putting the most sensational/gory/depressing stories out there...no matter how big of a bummer it is they know this shit sells. The fucking press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dude, you really are in love with my dick, aren't you? Follow the thread down a little further and see the extensive explanation that I give that this is a result of history rather than anything else. Not to try and blow smoke up my own arse but I have got more than the average education of Chinese history, politics and culture, I live in China and I work for a well regarded company as an East Asian analyst. I'm also on my way to marrying a Chinese woman and have many Chinese friends. If you're interested in discussing China, I welcome you to the thread and am genuinely interested as to what you have to say. If you're just trolling, give it a miss because you'll just come off like a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavaruawon Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 hahaha, the fuck outta here with that shit. Anything I might have to say about this topic was already covered in Shai's straight to the point post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yeah, yeah, whatever. You're obviously still hurt after I embarrassed you in the thread about Russian missile launches so you're now following me around trying to get back at me. Otherwise you would have just read Shai's post and left it at that instead of shooting your mouth off and posting silly pics like this is CH0. Whatever dude, I really don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tavaruawon Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 And yes Christoph. My main agenda is to make your 12oz life a living hell. :lol: Fuck you for ever thinking I care about you or your twisted agenda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 shut up faggot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavaruawon Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 ^ haha, negaprops and everything. You salty sonofabitch you. *shrug* What do you expect in a country of over a billion people where capital punishment is an everyday fact of life? People in China are conditioned to believe that life is cheap...and keep in mind that there's undoubtedly plenty of decent and compassionate people there, but just based on sheer numbers alone there's a higher incidence of assholes and sociopaths. I'm not saying either one is a good thing but if anyone's looking for explanations, there's a couple to consider. After all, this is the press we're talking about. They have no reservations about putting the most sensational/gory/depressing stories out there...no matter how big of a bummer it is they know this shit sells. Cheer up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 yeah i don't appreciate trolling in the only thread worth reading in crossfire for the past 6 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcs Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 HBO had or maybe still has a documentary on demand right now. its worthwhile i suppose. Their 1 child policy coupled with the elevated value placed on boys has certainly caused otherwise decent people to do some very questionable immoral things. There was this part. Shit was bananas. A young couple's baby son was kidnapped. He was like 5. China basically taxes parents so alot of births are kept secret. It took them 5 years to come up with the money. As an illegal person in China the kid wouldn't have been able to attend school ect ect ect... So hes kidnapped. The mother and grandmother were in a pig pen where the baby was delivered crying uncontrollably. They cant have another child even if they wanted to. Wouldnt be able to afford it and to do so would constitute breaking the law. What i got from it. Girls are aborted, if you have a boy you have to guard it with your life because if you don't it can and will get took. Above that people are forced to sell their children every day. Fucked up shit. The people who participated in this documentary did so at great risk. China tries very hard to keep this type of shit out of the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2ekillr Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Marxism does not support the idea of a leader or party with ultimate power. marxism was/is the base or framework for marxism-leninism, stalinism, maoism, real-socialism and similar derivates. but i think you're right though. marx himself would've been more than unhappy with for examples stalin's interpretation of his philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 yeah i know it is the basis for other ideologies but Marxism itself proscribes little or no centralised power in the final stages of revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavaruawon Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yum, I wasn't trolling. I sincerily felt that everything which needed to be said about this particular topic was summed up by Shai. Honestly. Hence the repeated quoting. After the fact, Christo was visibly upset because I bothered to make my presence known in his thread. (in case you couldn't tell, he has a great disdain for yours truly) Ergo the silly pictures. Figured a little clarification was in order, I guess. This thread seems very black and white. With little to no discussion on the reasoning behind some of these actions. Let a lone the social, and political pressures which obviously must be implied to force such drastic measures by some very desperate people. You can demonize these people and the culture they represent all you want. I won't have any part of it. I know better. -Fin- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperface Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 What I consider Christo-f is showing here are glimpses of the social troubles of a corrupt, formally communist state without christian background. Similar troubles have been seen in several ex soviet states as well, and most of us being products of christian societies I wouldn't be surprized at all if these matters seem much, much worse in our eyes. Tavaruawon's criticism has a valid point but I think it should be directed towards the possible consequences of people reacting to this thread and jumping into hasty conclusions about the Chinese , instead of claiming the whole thread as Christo's evil agenda. I mean, you can argue back and discuss, that's what crossfire is about. I just read Tai Pan by James Clavell some time ago, and while I found the book slightly political and naive, the insight to Chinese culture changed the way I think about the country. Especially the fatalist consensus among the slaves in the caste system was somewhat enlightening. Makes you think what might have abided throughout the republic and communist times, and/or how the old culture might manifest in the current social issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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