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the CIA's "every little girls dream" aka: my little torture pony

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EXCLUSIVE: CIA Secret 'Torture' Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy

 

 

The CIA built one of its secret European prisons inside an exclusive riding academy outside Vilnius, Lithuania, a current Lithuanian government official and a former U.S. intelligence official told ABC News this week.

 

Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee at a café, the CIA installed a concrete structure where it could use harsh tactics to interrogate up to eight suspected al-Qaeda terrorists at a time. A full report on the prison can be seen on ABC's World News with Charles Gibson tonight.

"The activities in that prison were illegal," said human rights researcher John Sifton. "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

Lithuanian officials provided ABC News with the documents of what they called a CIA front company, Elite, LLC, which purchased the property and built the "black site" in 2004.

 

 

 

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The old man said "12 miles outside of the capital of Lithuania, in Vilnius"

The text under the photo says "outside Lithuania"

The article says "outside Vilnius, Lithuania"

 

 

 

sorry, I had to

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tbh i dont really care.does that make me a bad person? i mean if they are terrorists i could care less,becuase this is still a war and to be completely honest as far as torture goes this isnt so bad.much better than idk cutting fingers off and electrocuting them or some fucked up shit like that.im indifferent on the subject...if it works it works.do what you gotta do.

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tbh i dont really care.does that make me a bad person? i mean if they are terrorists i could care less,becuase this is still a war and to be completely honest as far as torture goes this isnt so bad.much better than idk cutting fingers off and electrocuting them or some fucked up shit like that.im indifferent on the subject...if it works it works.do what you gotta do.

 

 

Thing is, the CIA has this habit of rounding up people who are not terrorists.

 

Electrocution and cutting off limbs is what they do. They're also fond of battery

acid, insects, water torture, hallucinogens, etc.

 

Yeah, not so bad....it's just a little torture...right? Good thing none of your

relatives were rounded up....but it's harmless and they are terrorists, right?

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again this is war and war isnt supposed to be pretty.i support torture to a degree if it works but im not advocating cutting off limbs or anything of that nature,and also not advocating hurting innocents.but shit happens.and i still cant change the way i feel.maybe thats becuase it isnt happening to my family or loved ones idk.but i dont really believe that the military is rounding up civilians and electrocuting them or setting them on fire or some stupid shit like that.chances are if your brought to this place more than likely they have some evidence to believe that you are infact a terrorist otherwise it would be a waste of time to bring you in there and furthermore the techniques they use are things like waterboarding and sleep deprivation,which would definitely suck but it,imo isnt that extreme really.until i see evidence that either A. it isnt working or B.they go into more extreme techniques i could really give a fuck.i know that seems harsh but i just really have no feelings either way..does that make me a bad person?idk thats just how i feel.

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i think it is slightly ignorant when people use the defense of this is war. this is as though the geneva conventions don't exist and the united states is not a signatory. also, war on terrorism is a catch phrase not a congressional declaration.

to add to that this is why the term enemy combatant was created. it is not regulated under the rules of war.

torture has also been shown to produce insufficient data to justify the tactics. changing hearts and minds it does do. it completely turns people against the united states.

 

the united states has used torture for years or at the very least extradited people to other countries. we not only outsource labor but torture, too:scrambled: . it just completely changed in world opinion when you had the us congress publicly debating this to be implemented as sanctioned us policy.

 

but whatever. like you said youre indifferent. you know because the consequences of torturing will never effect you...:rolleyes:

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again this is war and war isnt supposed to be pretty.i support torture to a degree if it works but im not advocating cutting off limbs or anything of that nature,and also not advocating hurting innocents.but shit happens.and i still cant change the way i feel.maybe thats becuase it isnt happening to my family or loved ones idk.but i dont really believe that the military is rounding up civilians and electrocuting them or setting them on fire or some stupid shit like that.chances are if your brought to this place more than likely they have some evidence to believe that you are infact a terrorist otherwise it would be a waste of time to bring you in there and furthermore the techniques they use are things like waterboarding and sleep deprivation,which would definitely suck but it,imo isnt that extreme really.until i see evidence that either A. it isnt working or B.they go into more extreme techniques i could really give a fuck.i know that seems harsh but i just really have no feelings either way..does that make me a bad person?idk thats just how i feel.

 

You never read Major General Taguba's report, did you?

 

"Numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees . . . systemic and illegal abuse. "

 

"Having male detainees pose nude while female guards pointed at their genitals; having female detainees exposing themselves to the guards; having detainees perform indecent acts with each other; and guards physically assaulting detainees by beating and dragging them with choker chains."

 

Including incidents of battery acid on metal objects, inserted anally, etc.....

 

 

You really don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

Btw: If you think waterboarding and sleep deprivation aren't torture, I can arrange for a marine trained in those techniques to come

visit you and give you a demonstration. Then you can talk to me about how it's ok.

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idk man...that acid stick up the ass sounds horrible..but i still just dont care...sorry guys.i just have no feelings either way.your entitaled to your opinion tho casekim not going to argue with you anymore tho ill probably lose haha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

smiles :)

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idk man...that acid stick up the ass sounds horrible..but i still just dont care...sorry guys.i just have no feelings either way.your entitaled to your opinion tho casekim not going to argue with you anymore tho ill probably lose haha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

smiles :)

 

 

It's not an argument, it's a discussion.

 

Yes, you will lose because I will pull out whitepaper after whitepaper evidencing my claims. Not a newspaper story, mind you. Official investigatory reports made by the military, intelligence community, etc.

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Taguba's report

http://www.npr.org/iraq/2004/prison_abuse_report.pdf

 

Too busy to find all the whitepapers atm. Here's an interesting

article from Rolling Stone

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6388256/the_secret_file_of_abu_ghraib/

 

Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

 

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6527.htm

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STATUTORY DECLARATION

 

 

 

I, Ali Sh. Abbas (alias Ali Shalal) of full age and an Iraqi citizen do hereby solemnly and sincerely declare as follows:

 

1.

I am 45 years old

 

2.

I now live in Amman, Jordan.

 

3.

I was an Islamic education lecturer in the city of Al-Alamiya, Iraq

 

4.

The purpose of making this statutory declaration is to put on record my torture experience in the Abu Ghraib prison.

 

5.

On the 13th October, 2003 while I was going to prayer in the mosque in Al-Amraya, the American troops arrested me. They tied my hands to the back of my body and put a bag over my head. They took me to a small prison in a U.S. military camp in Al-Amraya.

 

6.

The Commander of this military camp, one Captain Philips told me that he had received an order from his superior to arrest him and he did not know the reasons for my arrest. I was left alone in the prison.

 

7.

After two days, they transferred me to the Abu Ghraib prison. The first thing they did to me was to make a physical examination of my body and abused me. Together with other detainees, we were made to sit on the floor and were dragged to the interrogation room. This so called room is in fact a toilet (approximately 2m by 2m) and was flooded with water and human waste up to my ankle level. I was asked to sit in the filthy water while the American interrogator stood outside the door, with the translator.

 

8.

After the interrogation, I would be removed from the toilet, and before the next detainee is put into the toilet, the guards would urinate into the filthy water in front of the other detainees.

 

9.

The first question they asked me was, "Are you a Sunni or Shiia?" I answered that this is the first time I have been asked this question in my life. I was surprised by this question, as in Iraq there is no such distinction or difference. The American interrogator replied that I must answer directly the questions and not to reply outside the question. He then said that in Iraq there are Sunnis, Shiias and Kurds.

 

10.

The interrogators wore civilian clothes and the translator, an Afro-American wore American army uniform.

 

11.

When I answered that I am an Iraqi Muslim, the interrogator refused to accept my answer and charged me for the following offence:

 

(a) That I am anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic.

 

(b) I supported the resistance

 

© I instigated the people to oppose the occupation

 

(d) That I knew the location of Osama bin Ladin

 

I protested and said that Muslims and Jews descended from the same historical family. I said that I could not be in the resistance because I am a disabled person and have an injured hand.

 

12.

The interrogator accused me that I had injured my hand while attacking the American soldiers.

 

13.

The interrogator informed me that they knew that I was an important person in the community and therefore could help them. As an inducement for my cooperation, the interrogator offered medical help for my injured hand.

 

14.

When I did not cooperate, the interrogator asked me whether I considered the American army as "liberator" or "occupier". When I replied that they were occupiers, he lost his temper and threatened me. He told me that I would be sent to Guantanamo Bay where even animals would not be able to survive.

 

15.

They took me to another room and took record of my thumb print, a photo of my eye and a sample of my saliva for DNA analysis. After this procedure, they tagged me by putting a band round my wrist with the following particulars: my name, a number, my religious status and whether I had previous arrest.

 

16.

They then beat me repeatedly and put me in a truck to transfer me to another part of the Abu Ghraib prison.

 

17.

This part of the prison, was in an open space and consisted of five sectors, surrounded by walls and barb wires and was called "Fiji Land". Each sector had five tents and surrounded by barb wires. When I was removed from the truck, the soldiers marked my forehead with the words "Big Fish" in red. All the detainees in this camp are considered "Big Fish". I was located in camp "B".

 

18.

The living conditions in the camp were very bad. Each tent would have 45 to 50 detainees and the space for each detainee measured only 30cm by 30cm. We had to wait for 2 to 3 hours just to go to the toilets. There was very little water. Each tent was given only 60 litres of water daily to be shared by the detainees. This water was used for drinking and washing and cleaning the wounds after the torture sessions. They would also make us to stand for long hours.

 

19.

Sometimes, as a punishment, no food is given to us. When food is given, breakfast is at 5.00 am, lunch is at 8.00 am and dinner at 1.00 pm. During Ramadhan, they bring food twice daily, first at 12.00 midnight and the second is given during fasting time to make the detainees break the religious duty of fasting.

 

20.

During my captivity in the camp, I was interrogated and tortured twice. Each time I was threatened that I would be sent to Guantanamo Bay prison. During this period, I heard from my fellow detainees that they were tortured by cigarette burns, injected with hallucinating chemicals and had their rectum inserted with various types of instruments, such as wooden sticks and pipes. They would return to the camp, bleeding profusely. Some had their bones broken.

 

21.

In my camp, I saw detainees brought over from a secret prison which I came to know later as being housed in the "Arabian Oil Institute" building, situated in the north of Baghdad. These detainees were badly injured.

 

22.

After one month and just before sunset my number was called and they put a bag over my head and my hands were tied behind my back. My legs were also tied. They then transferred me to a cell.

 

23.

When I was brought to the cell, they asked me in Arabic to strip but when I refused, they tore my clothes and tied me up again. They then dragged me up a flight of stairs and when I could not move, they beat me repeatedly. When I reached the top of the stairs, they tied me to some steel bars. They then threw at me human waste and urinated on me.

 

24.

Next, they put a gun to my head and said that they would execute me there. Another soldier would use a megaphone to shout at me using abusive words and to humiliate me. During this time, I could hear the screams of other detainees being tortured. This went on till the next morning.

 

25.

In the morning, an Israeli stood in front of me and took the bag from my head and told me in Arabic that he was an Israeli had interrogated and tortured detainees in Palestine. He told me that when detainees would not cooperate, they would be killed. He asked me repeatedly for names of resistance fighters. I told him that I do not know any resistance fighters but he would not believe me, and continued to beat me.

 

26.

This Israeli dressed in civilian clothes tortured me by inserting in turn first with a jagged wooden stick into my rectum and then with the barrel of a rifle. I was cut inside and bled profusely. During this time, when any guard walked past me, they would beat me. I had no food for 36 hours.

 

27.

The next morning, the Israeli interrogator came to my cell and tied me to the grill of the cell and he then played the pop song, "By the Rivers of Babylon" by Pop Group Boney M, continuously until the next morning. The effect on me was that I lost my hearing, and I lost my mind. It was very painful and I lost consciousness. I only woke up when the Israeli guard poured water on my head and face. When I regain consciousness, he started beating me again and demanded that I tell him of the names of resistance fighters and what activities that I did against the American soldiers. When I told him that I did not know any resistance fighters, he kicked me many times.

 

28.

I was kept in the cell without clothes for two weeks. During this time, an American guard by the name of "Grainer" accompanied by a Moroccan Jew called Idel Palm ( also known as Abu Hamid) came to my cell and asked me about my bandaged hand which was injured before I was arrested. I told him that I had an operation. He then pulled the bandage which stained with blood from my hand and in doing so, tore the skin and flesh from my hands. I was in great pain and when I asked him for some pain killers, he stepped on my hands and said "this is American pain killer" and laughed at me.

 

29.

On the 15th day of detention, I was given a blanket. I was relieved that some comfort was given to me. As I had no clothes, I made a hole in the centre of the blanket by rubbing the blanket against the wall, and I was able to cover my body. This is how all the prisoners cover their bodies when they were given a blanket.

 

30.

One day, a prisoner walked past my cell and told me that the interrogators want to speed up their investigation and would use more brutal methods of torture to get answers that they want from the prisoners. I was brought to the investigation room, after they put a bag over my head. When I entered the investigation room, they remove the bag from my head to let me see the electrical wires which was attached to an electrical wall socket.

 

31.

Present in the room was the Moroccan Jew, Idel Palm, the Israeli interrogator, two Americans one known as "Davies" and the other "Federick" and two others. They all wore civilian clothes, except the Americans who wore army uniforms. Idel Palm told me in Arabic that unless I cooperated, this would be my last chance to stay alive. I told him that I do not know anything about the resistance. The bag was then placed over my head again, and left alone for a long time. During this time, I heard several screams and cries from detainees who were being tortured.

 

32.

The interrogators returned and forcefully placed me on top of a carton box containing can food. They then connected the wires to my fingers and ordered me to stretch my hand out horizontally, and switched on the electric power. As the electric current entered my whole body, I felt as if my eyes were being forced out and sparks flying out. My teeth were clattering violently and my legs shaking violently as well. My whole body was shaking all over.

 

33.

I was electrocuted on three separate sessions. On the first two sessions, I was electrocuted twice, each time lasting few minutes. On the last session, as I was being electrocuted, I accidentally bit my tongue and was bleeding from the mouth. They stop the electrocution and a doctor was called to attend to me. I was lying down on the floor. The doctor poured some water into my mouth and used his feet to force open my mouth. He then remarked, "There is nothing serious, continue!" Then he left the room. However, the guard stopped the electrocution as I was bleeding profusely from my mouth and blood was all over my blanket and body. But they continued to beat me. After some time, they stopped beating me and took me back to my cell.

 

34.

Throughout the time of my torture, the interrogators would take photographs.

 

35.

I was then left alone in my cell for 49 days. During this period of detention, they stopped torturing me. At the end of the 49th day, I was transferred back to the camp, in tent C and remained there for another 45 days. I was informed by a prisoner that he over heard some guards saying that I was wrongly arrested and that I would be released.

 

36.

I was released in the beginning of March 2004. I was put into a truck and taken to a highway and then thrown out. A passing car stopped and took me home.

 

37.

As a result of this experience, I decided to establish an association to assist all torture victims, with the help of twelve other tortured victims.

 

38.

I feel very sad that I have to remember and relive this horrible experience again and again, and I hope that the Malaysian people will answer our call for help. God willing.

 

And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing the same to be true and by virtue of the provisions of the Statutory Declarations Act 1960.

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i only read the rolling stones one.the rape was too much.i can understand to a degree when torture is used to gather information but this seems more like they were just having fun...i dont agree with this kind of actions. when i say i agree with torture i mean when it is used to gather information not to just fuck with their minds or to hurt them...and never to the extent to which these people went.

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i only read the rolling stones one.the rape was too much.i can understand to a degree when torture is used to gather information but this seems more like they were just having fun...i dont agree with this kind of actions. when i say i agree with torture i mean when it is used to gather information not to just fuck with their minds or to hurt them...and never to the extent to which these people went.

 

 

It's well known that torture can't pull good intelligence. I can guarantee you that they can have you admitting to killing Lincoln, Kennedy, and MLK while you were harboring jihadi's in your ice cave located on Mars....

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Torture just shouldn't happen, you will not get credible evidence from torture, someone will say anything they think you want to hear to stop it unless they are very well trained in not cracking under torture, in which case it is pointless then because they won't crack.

 

Yes these people are suspected terrorists, some of them ARE terrorists but we should just treat them as any other convict of a crime, through proper legal process.

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i guess you have a point.people under duress will more than likely lie to avoid further torture which i never really took into consideration i guess...i still find it hard to feel sorry for these people idk why but i am more inclined to believe that torture isnt the best option...do what works i guess.

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there are a lot of innocent people that have been taken illegally and subjected to this, if they torture one person and that person just gives up names under duress then they get the people that the first one named then you have a lot of people that don't know nothing being tortured, abused and given no legal consideration.

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i guess you have a point.people under duress will more than likely lie to avoid further torture which i never really took into consideration i guess...i still find it hard to feel sorry for these people idk why but i am more inclined to believe that torture isnt the best option...do what works i guess.

 

 

You would probably fight for your country/countrymen if a foreign invader came in all

supanigga like. For instance, if the Chinese PLA landed ground forces here, on our soil.

You, I, and about 299,999,999 other U.S. citizens would fight with whatever means we

could muster.

 

These people are doing the same thing. They don't want us over there for a ton of reasons.

Mostly blowback from previous operations.

 

Granted, there are bad people there. People who want to see the U.S. crumble. Newsflash!

There are people here who want the same thing. People who are our elected leaders/

 

There's a book by Zbigniew Brzezinski titled "The Grand Chessboard". I would suggest reading that.

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supanigga l

 

 

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

 

hopeless: check out FEAR UP HARSH. its a quick simple read that you might relate to more than the intel reports.

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its not like westerners (innocent ones) weren't having their heads cut off then put on the local tv networks for the world to see. shit happens TO EVERYBODY! not just innocent arabs who are mistaken for terrorists. everywhere from israel/palestine to sri lanka to the congo to northern ireland (back inthe day at least) does this shit happen. terrorism is done by ALL races, and in all cases does someone innocent gets hurt.

 

im more worried about the 50,000 people that die in the united states every year from car accidents than i am about the 150 innocent arabs who faced sleep deprivation and water torture.

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Torture has been proven by every scientific study focused on it to not produce better results in intelligence gathering.

The information gathered is not any more accurate than if torture was not used.

Torture is only useful for forcing a confession, not gathering information.

That is a proven fact.

 

If you feel like lowering our own standards as a super power to match those of small groups of hillbillies from dickwater Arabia that's cool.

Some of us feel like as a country we should honor our laws and treaties and hold ourselves to some sort of standard.

Torture is wrong and useless, plain and simple.

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